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Posted on June 20, 2017 at 05:23:07
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 Is a YouTube user name of late or maybe the last few years. Anyway there is a ton of newer content from them. Usually full live concerts here to fore unavailable. I've seen tens of new shows from various years from the 60's to 80's. They all start the same with date,venue and band members. I did seeone omission, Jhn Mclaughlin is not listed as playing n the "On the Corner" sessions. Otherwise accurate. Tons of shows some very good uality so not. Just audio





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Why has't MD been cannonized yet?, posted on June 20, 2017 at 08:51:08
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 It seems he is worshipped as the greatest jazz musician of all time by
every jazz fan and critic since about 1960. His only possible competition
is John Coltrane.

I am willing to give MD some props as an innovator. But that's it.

His playing was above average at best. Many of his contemporaries would
have blown him off the stage in a cutting contest (think Clark Terry,
Clifford Brown, Dizzy Gillespie, Lee Morgan, Roy Eldridge, Fats Navarro,
and many others).

I simply do not understand all the worship he gets.

Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

 

I agree that you don't understand. nt, posted on June 20, 2017 at 09:13:32
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 nt

 

I don't have a horse in this race, but one of my kids agrees with you [nt], posted on June 20, 2017 at 09:20:52
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It's not about his perosnal playing per se, posted on June 20, 2017 at 09:53:02
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 It's about his recorded body of work as a jazz leader. And that is in a league by itself. I agree completely that all the trumpeters you named were greater virtuosos.

 

agreed, posted on June 20, 2017 at 19:52:05
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 For me it's his style and sound. I would add Mr. Clifford Brown to your list.

Another player who's rep outways his "technical ability" is Chet Baker. Both Miles and Chet's offer that _ that virtually everyone lacks. Just my 2 cents.

 

RE: It's not about his perosnal playing per se, posted on June 20, 2017 at 20:08:36
Tweaker456
 IMHO it is about his personal playing per se. Who other than Chet comes close to the deep evocative emotional nature of his playing, or some of his playing. I guess one either gets it or they don't. Maybe the ones that don't get it are the lucky ones. T456

 

RE: agreed, posted on June 20, 2017 at 20:11:13
Analog Scott
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 Yes to Chet. Never dazzles but always satisfies. Clifford Brown is probably my all time favorite trumpet player in jazz. he was living on another planet musically. What could have been.....

 

RE: It's not about his perosnal playing per se, posted on June 20, 2017 at 20:12:42
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 You are absolutely right about both Miles and Chet. There is something very touching and introspective about their playing that keeps me coming back for more.

 

It's his music., posted on June 20, 2017 at 22:55:09
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 His earlier stuff where he just sets a mood. He put you in that smokey bar where you just sit back and feel the music. And it didn't feel lazy but succinct. Of course he had the best players with him.

His later fusion jazz left me cold.

A lot of other players were better technically but they didn't get the song. A barrage of notes doesn't do it for me.

Louis Armstrong is the best for me. He could play one note and deliver the whole song. Billie and Ella but with a horn.

 

Agree - "moody" isn't enough to make Miles a great trumpeter, posted on June 21, 2017 at 02:04:28
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 "I am willing to give MD some props as an innovator. But that's it. His playing was above average at best. Many of his contemporaries would have blown him off the stage"

Exactly. If I want trumpet playing I'll listen to Freddy Hubbard or many others. I rarely listen to Miles' records these days. I used to listen a lot, but it was for his sidemen. I always kind of "blanked out" in his solos and my mind wandered. His flurries of notes did absolutely nothing for me - for me it was a huge cul-de-sac. Boring - very boring.

But he did innovate and make great records. Take away his sidemen and I don't think that would have happened. Guys like Shorter, Zawinul, Bill Evans, Coltrane, Hancock, Jarrett were the really great ones - they could play like hell and they all did much more outside of Miles' bands than they ever did inside.

 

I agree about his sidemen, posted on June 21, 2017 at 09:02:54
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 He did hire some of the greats. And that indicates a high degree of
smarts on his part. When your band makes you and your music sound
better, you doing something right.

Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

 

RE: Jazzbos get it!, posted on June 23, 2017 at 14:41:04
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 He is among the great trumpet players (no need to split hairs over who is the greatest) but his vision took Jazz to new places and brought about changes that helped the genre evolve into what is now considered mainstream. Read up on his many ground breaking accomplishments and you just might "get" what it's all about!

 

RE: Jazzbos get it!, posted on June 23, 2017 at 22:19:09
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 MD gave us music lovers "Kind of Blue". This is the most important Jazz album. MD was a superstar going into the recording sessions for KOB.
Afterwards, he became a mega-star. He hired nothing but the best for that album, including an unknown Bill Evans. For the uninitiated, start here and work your way back to 1954. Everything about MD will be revealed.

 

What d'you mean I don't "get"it? I'm a jazz musician!, posted on June 24, 2017 at 04:25:34
andy evans
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 "Read up on his many ground breaking accomplishments and you just might "get" what it's all about!..."

I don't need to read anything - I've been playing jazz professionally for 45 years! I have most of Miles' LPs. I still listen to the odd track - from Seven Steps to Heaven mostly. But I don't agree with the received opinion, and I think Kind of Blue is far from his best work. Very over-hyped. His band with Herbie, Tony Williams, Ron Carter and George Coleman was the best stuff for me. That was special, but mainly for the rhythm section.

 

RE: What d'you mean I don't "get"it? I'm a jazz musician!, posted on June 28, 2017 at 16:15:46
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 MD gave us a tone or certain "sound" in his playing and presentation.

 

They'll play a hundred notes, he'll play one., posted on June 29, 2017 at 09:44:45
oldmkvi
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 Who wins?
They are All great players, and many others.
It's stupid to Rate them.

 

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