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Ivermectin update...

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Posted on September 18, 2021 at 15:38:32
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 ...rather lengthy, but pretty-much lays it all out.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

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RE: Ivermectin update..., posted on September 18, 2021 at 16:44:13
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 A Cleveland person here. Grew up listening to Michael Stanley. Still have my Stage Pass original album.

 

+1, posted on September 18, 2021 at 17:00:57
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 Indeed. N.B. it doesn't say it doesn't work, it says it hasn't been proven yet.


 

RE: This pretty much lays it all, or mostly out, posted on September 18, 2021 at 17:50:24
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 Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 118 studies

Along with clinical experience and observation and epidemiological evidence along with known biological activity. Please continue to ignore all the evidence. Let um die.




So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
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Denied opinions are not facts NT, posted on September 18, 2021 at 18:15:53
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 Especially when supported by weak evidence


 

Overdose Update: 5 Oregonians in ICU, posted on September 18, 2021 at 18:34:14
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 The Oregon Poison Center has managed 25 cases involving Oregonians intentionally misusing ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19 between Aug. 1 and Sept. 14. Five of those cases involved hospitalization, and two people were so severely ill that they had to be admitted to an intensive care unit. Although the Oregon Poison Center also serves Alaska and Guam, the vast majority of ivermectin cases it has managed this year have come from Oregon.

 

Cleveland person now..., posted on September 18, 2021 at 18:38:01
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 ...but I'm a Pittsburgh boy, and then rural PA up north, DC and wherever else they sent me for a few years. A dear friend--we met in the 70's and kind of "clicked". Awesome man--that's about all I can say.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: ba ba ba BIRD BIRD BIRD is the word, posted on September 18, 2021 at 19:07:08
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 The folks at BIRD, ivmmeta,c19ivermectin, the FLCCC , many other groups,scientists and doctor's all over the world actually trying to help their sick patients to get better and not die disagree with you, super hero.






So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

 

The other bird, posted on September 18, 2021 at 19:34:44
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 QUACK!!


 

Dam' hippies! [nt] ;-), posted on September 19, 2021 at 00:31:34
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Yes - we've got to wait until the REAL medicine comes out, posted on September 19, 2021 at 00:39:50
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 That would be Pfizermectin - which will be just different enough from Ivermectin that Pfizer can patent it and charge half a month's salary for a two-week supply. The grateful populace will be lining up around the block to acquire it, because it will have Dr. Fauci's and other corporate media pundits' imprimatur. ;-)

 

RE: Yes - we've got to wait until the REAL medicine comes out, posted on September 19, 2021 at 01:56:50
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 I believe I read somewhere that the WHO can access 6mg pills of Ivermectin for 2 cents. So the cost of one week of Ivermectin treatment or prevention would be like no more that $.75 based of WHO's cost plus logistic cost. This is out and out premeditated murder.




So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

 

Apples and Oranges, posted on September 19, 2021 at 06:33:18
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 Pfizer is developing two drugs which are different from Ivermectin. They are from a class of drugs known as protease inhibitors which interfere with the replication of the virus by inhibiting protease enzymes. Drugs with similar activity are used to treat HIV and HepC.

IVM likely works by inhibiting binding of sars-cov2 to the ACE binding site on the surface of the cell.

New drug discovery is a very expensive process. Drug development is a crapshoot. Only about 15 percent of drugs that enter clinical trials make it to market. Like it or not only pharma, and a few universities have pockets deep enough to support such work.





 

RE: Apples and Oranges, posted on September 19, 2021 at 07:03:16
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 There is some evidence that Ivermectin may be a protease inhibitor.



So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
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If one is corrected early and often, perhaps it would, posted on September 19, 2021 at 07:25:24
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 be a good idea to consider one's outlook on "media:" where DO you get this from, specifically? You NEVER state a source and this forum, in the interests of accuracy, informally calls for one when one makes a claim of a dubious or controversial nature.

By your own admission, you're a product of "mainstream" education that has major corporate, think tank, and tycoon (corporate leadership/ownership)-related ties. Isn't that ironic?

Ivermectin is a horse medication, by the way. NO medical organization recommends it.

 

RE: If one is corrected early and often, perhaps it would, posted on September 19, 2021 at 07:53:36
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 Are you brain dead?


So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

 

Naw. Their drug of choice is Weed, plus, the 5G chips are destroyed during the burn. nt, posted on September 19, 2021 at 07:58:08
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RE: Apples and Oranges, posted on September 19, 2021 at 09:10:41
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 Levels of evidence

Randomized controlled trial> In-vitro data> In-silico modeling?> SWAG(scientific wild-assed guess)


 

RE: Apples and Oranges, posted on September 19, 2021 at 09:18:07
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 In silico modeling is not wild ass guessing pretty much by definition. How many agents thrown up by this type of modeling turn out to be effective will be interesting to watch. Proof, certainly not, wild ass guessing, completely distorted, erroneous and twisted "thinking".EDIT: I misread batman's comments that did show in silico studies better than wild guesses so this post is null and void.


So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

 

Instead of just reacting, posted on September 19, 2021 at 10:23:39
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 Read again what I said.


 

So says the good little boy who thinks exactly as he's told to. . . , posted on September 19, 2021 at 10:40:07
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 . . . by his corporate media sources.

I've listed my own news sources at least a couple of times on this forum, most recently in answer to your own direct question JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO (link below). I can't help it if you're too lazy to read what I've said, because you're so eager to put words in people's mouths to create these beloved red herrings you're so adept at populating your own posts with.

"By your own admission, you're a product of "mainstream" education that has major corporate, think tank, and tycoon (corporate leadership/ownership)-related ties. Isn't that ironic?"
Nothing at all ironic about it. And, yes, I'm not at all proud to be associated with an institution which had the likes of a war criminal like Condoleeza Rice on its staff, and which has produced the likes of a war criminal apologist like Rachel Maddow.

And, despite what you claim in your last paragraph, Ivermectin is NOT exclusively a horse medication, and the NIH recommends further study of its effectiveness. If you weren't so smug in your own self approval, you might realize that the corporate media have been captured by the big pharmaceutical companies who underwrite our media programming. Here's a relevant section of a video I've already posted, which you, in your corporate-media-fueled complacency, can't be bothered to spend any time on:








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See my reply to tinear further up in this thread, posted on September 19, 2021 at 10:47:53
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 In particular, I've not set the start point at the discussion of Ivermectin.

 

Speaking of good little boys ..., posted on September 19, 2021 at 11:29:38
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 Why didn't you respond to my post, two days old now and linked below?

I don't want to argue with you. Let's disagree where we will, but please keep it civil.

 

RE: Instead of just reacting, posted on September 19, 2021 at 11:32:28
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 Got it, my mistake.


So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
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Jimmy Dore show? That's not your real source, I hope. What told you to go to , posted on September 19, 2021 at 14:55:57
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 that show, Chris? You, and many other conspiracy theorists like you, believe themselves more intelligent than all scientific and medical organizations. How can you square that??? By believing that it's all some dark conspiracy because you cannot possibly be wrong, can you--- better say the entire community of expert scientists are wrong--- than you. A guy on Youtube. I'm still chuckling. But I guess you're serious. The NYT, Wash Post, LA Times, CBS News, BBC, The Guardian: all on common ground with... Jimmy Dore! I kinda hope you're just having some sort of crisis and this isn't really what a healthy Chris believes in.

NIH is recommending FURTHER study, yes. For NOW: "Some clinical studies showed no benefits or worsening of disease after ivermectin use,21-24 whereas others reported shorter time to resolution of disease manifestations that were attributed to COVID-19,25-27 greater reduction in inflammatory marker levels,26 shorter time to viral clearance,21 or lower mortality rates in patients who received ivermectin than in patients who received comparator drugs or placebo.21,27

However, most of these studies had incomplete information and significant methodological limitations, which make it difficult to exclude common causes of bias. These limitations include:

The sample size of most of the trials was small.
Various doses and schedules of ivermectin were used.
Some of the randomized controlled trials were open-label studies in which neither the participants nor the investigators were blinded to the treatment arms.
Patients received various concomitant medications (e.g., doxycycline, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, zinc, corticosteroids) in addition to ivermectin or the comparator drug. This confounded the assessment of the efficacy or safety of ivermectin.
The severity of COVID-19 in the study participants was not always well described.
The study outcome measures were not always clearly defined". NIH website

Stanford: you have several degrees from it. We should discount all your "expertise" regarding music, right? Corporate product that you are, and all. (Try and stick to the point; it's not about faculty, it's about corporations and their "tainted" status, in your eyes). And major orchestras: supported by corporations! All bad, in this country? What are you communicating on, a piece of hollow wood?

 

It's not about Jimmy Dore. It's about Dr Malone, posted on September 19, 2021 at 15:40:20
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 I had never heard of Jimmy Dore but I'm guessing Dr Malone could be a better source than you.

 

Why guess? Do some googling and read about him. nt, posted on September 19, 2021 at 17:43:18
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Vacuous - I honestly did not see it - Sorry!, posted on September 19, 2021 at 18:10:18
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 The article is pay-walled in any case and I cannot get to it today. My bad, I guess.

 

RE: Why guess? Do some googling and read about him. nt, posted on September 19, 2021 at 18:13:37
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 I was trying to be more diplomatic and less direct. Dr Malone knows what he's talking about.

When I first got here (this time) I wandered around and sat down in the iso ward. What was I thinking. So I might have run off a fellow inmate. Had a little convo with the geoffkait. I guess that is a special ward. Hope I didn't do any damage.

 

Yeah - what's he going to find, Rick?, posted on September 19, 2021 at 18:24:25
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 He'll find all these links to corporate news sites which have a vested (and financial!) interest in impugning Dr. Malone's comments. Wow - big surprise!

Don't you find it odd that Google abandoned their original motto of "Don't be evil"? Actually, it's NOT really odd, since Google (Alphabet) itself is now part of the corporate establishment.

 

RE: Apples and Oranges, posted on September 19, 2021 at 18:31:10
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 There is "Some Evidence" that Ivermectin "May Be" a protease inhibitor.

"Some", "Maybe", Oh, that's good enough for me.

Oh My.

 

Once again, you're back to your familiar tricks of trying to put words. . . , posted on September 19, 2021 at 19:12:04
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 in other people's mouths. Who said they were more intelligent than ALL scientific and medical organizations? I certainly didn't.

And I'm supposed to believe that "it" is some "dark conspiracy"? Why don't you define your terms for once?

Did you ever consider the possibility that, while Jimmy Dore may not be as educated (or even as intlligent) as the people who work for your beloved corporate press, he may nevertheless be right to offer Dr. Malone a forum, and they could all be wrong? No - of course you haven't. You'd rather indulge in your tribal reaction. Jimmy Dore cheerfully refers to himself as a jagoff comedian working out of his garage, so of course that doesn't impress your discerning mind! You want to see the MONEY behind the opinions you read. Let me tell you this: financial backing does not necessarily make a statement true - something which you have yet to learn.

Oh - and you forgot! You left out some stuff about what the NIH says about Ivermectin - it almost seems like you did this on purpose. Here are some more statements from the NIH on Ivermectin:
Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad-spectrum antiparasitic agent with demonstrated antiviral activity against a number of DNA and RNA viruses, including severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Despite this promise, the antiviral activity of ivermectin has not been consistently proven in vivo.

The 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine was awarded to William C. Campbell and Satoshi Omura for their discoveries leading to ivermectin. In addition to its extraordinary efficacy against parasitic diseases, ivermectin continues to offer new clinical applications due to its ability to be repurposed to treat new classes of diseases. Beyond its invaluable therapeutic role in onchocerciasis and strongyloidiasis, an increasing body of evidence points to the potential of ivermectin as an antiviral agent.

In light of the potential of ivermectin to prevent replication in a broad spectrum of viruses, the inhibition of importin [alpha-beta]1-mediated nuclear import of viral proteins is suggested as the probable mechanism underlying its antiviral activity. Since SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus, a similar mechanism of action may take place
This is from the NIH article linked below. Kinda gives us a different picture, doesn't it? I love how you omit certain information just so you can "win" an argument. When you add the statements I quoted back in, the stance of the NIH might seem a little different from what you were trying to convey.

As for Stanford's disgraceful record with respect to war-mongering and corporations, yes, corporations are well represented at that institution. And yet you yourself claim that we shouldn't judge the faculty by their tainted (i.e., tainted by corporations) connections and status, much less bring them into the discussion. So which is it, tin? Are they "tainted" or not? The whole point you try to make is absurd, since there are many, many students and faculty members who oppose the very corporate policies which the institution as a whole and other Stanford faculty members (like Condoleeza Rice) embrace.

 

RE: Apples and Oranges, posted on September 19, 2021 at 19:20:22
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 Do I go to a veterinarian to know the dose to take ?

OK, I'm done .

: )

 

RE: Once again, you're back to your familiar tricks of trying to put words. . . , posted on September 19, 2021 at 20:15:37
rivervalley817
 so far everyone that talks about Invermectin doesn't use it

maybe 'enjoy' some and report back?

just kidding, that would be stupid

Stanford sucks and Jimmy Dore is a loser

alright, we've got that all sorted out

... good talk?

regards,




 

RE: Apples and Oranges, posted on September 19, 2021 at 20:23:49
rivervalley817
 I think the equivalent porcine dosage by weight is recommended

as info, I've asked Tweaker countless times what his daily dosage is and ...

*crickets*

he advocates for something he's afraid of doing himself!

which is a bit perverse considering the contraindications of the drug

I don't think he holds other's well being in much regard anymore

stay well,

 

but they don't have worms anymore :), posted on September 19, 2021 at 20:26:22
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 so that's a plus :)

 

RE: Once again, you're back to your familiar tricks of trying to put words. . . , posted on September 19, 2021 at 20:39:43
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 Well Chris, far be it from me to say that you are likely wasting your time. There are those that simply have no shame no matter how often the evidence contrary to their opinion is put up in front of them. They also seem to love the red herring. Thanks for the hand. Tweaker






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RE: Once again, you're back to your familiar tricks of trying to put words. . . , posted on September 19, 2021 at 22:08:16
rivervalley817
 ... what is your daily dosage of Invermectin?

what are you advocating?

do you like herring? you keep bringing up herring

I prefer it slightly brined in white wine

so what's the dosage Kenneth?

 

10-4, good buddy! [nt] ;-), posted on September 20, 2021 at 01:08:00
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You sound exactly like Trumpettes claiming election fraud., posted on September 20, 2021 at 07:33:42
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 Only YOUR sources tell the "truth", just like only wingnut media tells the truth about the "stolen" election. Wanna know the "truth" about any subject? Well, then ya have to ignore what every news outlet other than YOUR faves say. Readers/watchers must understand that all the other ones are corrupt mouthpieces for, shudder, corporations and of course they just print/broadcast what the "deep state" tells them.

I'm past posting fests back and forth with you, Chris. Inmates can judge your political/media posts for themselves. They can also read up on Malone and judge for themselves. Oh wait, "cancel" that idea. After all, you'd just find lies about Dr. Malone from MSM. Only favorable info about Malone from Chris-sanctioned media is the "truth".

 

Nope - you're trying to paint with a broad brush (probably deliberately). . . , posted on September 20, 2021 at 10:51:29
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 . . . and, like tinear, put words in my mouth. I do NOT say that the corporate MSM are ALWAYS wrong. Where have I ever said that? But indeed, they ARE wrong often enough that they must be "consumed" with a great deal of caution, and I find the sources I listed to be more reliable, even though they're sometimes wrong too.

I've never claimed there was election fraud, although I support any and all efforts (including from Trump supporters) to make sure that our elections are fair and uncorrupted. OTOH, it was you (inspired by the ravings from your beloved MSM) who got hysterical and claimed that the January 6 demonstration constituted an armed insurrection, despite the fact that most of the protesters were UNarmed, including Ashli Babbitt, who was shot dead by the police.

Sure, Rick - just know that it's a cheap tactic to characterize those who disagree with you as supporters of some crazed notion, even when there's not a jot or tittle of evidence. One thing you're right about: inmates can judge our political posts for themselves.

 

RE: Nope - you're trying to paint with a broad brush (probably deliberately). . . , posted on September 20, 2021 at 11:40:28
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 'inspired by the ravings from your beloved MSM'

that's hyperbolic CFL

'who got hysterical'

more hyperbole, I've never seen Rick W 'hysterical' about anything

you think he's putting words in your mouth but you're guilty of assigning emotions and attitudes to someone in a 'debate' ... there's a term for that

building a strawman argument

there's no points for that, it's designed to sway an audience

which begs the question ... who are you performing for? what audience?

be well,

 

Bullshit. , posted on September 20, 2021 at 11:46:59
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 Let's see ya provide a link to me saying "armed insurrection". Good luck trying to find something that doesn't exist.

Linked is what I DID say. Furthermore, look at THE DATES OF MY POSTS. Months before Jan. 6th! Then check out your replies. You were smug as usual and WRONG as usual. If you still don't think Trump and Trumpettes both in and out of Congress essentially tried to have a coup I feel sorry for your lack of cognition.

I'm putting this to bed. To be honest, after all the posts of yours I've read and the back & forths we've had, I simply don't care what you think about anything other than music.

 

Back at you, Rick - the joke's on you, posted on September 20, 2021 at 14:38:13
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 "Christopher Wray - the current head of the FBI *appointed by Trump and confirmed by the Republican majority Senate* in 2017 - just got done testifying that they found ZERO EVIDENCE that anyone but Trump supporters was among the insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol." [my bold]
-Rick W, March 6, 2021

OK - I concede you didn't say anything as to whether they were armed. But as for my finding "something that doesn't exist" (i.e., your use of the term, insurrection/insurrectionists), you should get acquainted with your own posts a bit better. ;-)

 

Hey, man - a little hyperbole isn't going to hurt anyone - right? ;-), posted on September 20, 2021 at 14:47:49
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 You've never seen Rick get hysterical? I think that when he uses the term, "insurrectionists" (see my post above), that IS getting on the hysterical side of things. Therefore, no strawman - right? ;-)

 

RE: Hey, man - a little hyperbole isn't going to hurt anyone - right? ;-), posted on September 20, 2021 at 15:39:44
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 "insurrectionists" is entirely accurate

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection "Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

they sought to disrupt and end the lawful process of confirming the vote count of the general election which is a major component in the peaceful transfer of power and authority of the federal gov't and will of the people ... the very definition of rebellion

and yes, many were armed ... you don't need guns to be armed

I suppose pitchforks would be easier to ID and relate to but a spear is a spear and a club is a club ... lots of 'bear spray' too, with nary a bear in sight ... there were lots of guns intercepted that day as well

m'kay? good!

 

That's a very nice quote you have there, but. . . , posted on September 20, 2021 at 17:47:28
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 . . . but it leaves the term, "insurrection", undefined. I mean, do you think the January 6 actions constituted a rebellion too (per your quote)? To me, that's a loose usage of either term.

You are supposing intent on the part of the demonstrators - sure, there MAY have been intent to disrupt the proceedings on the part of SOME (kind of like when Code Pink gets in the Senate gallery and disrupts things until they're escorted out by the police), but, as I see it, this "major component of the peaceful transfer of power" was never in any danger. In fact, the main problem with the Jan 6 demonstration was that there was an insufficient number of police on hand to control a crowd of that size - even though anyone with half a brain could have anticipated the size of the crowd in advance.

You also say "many were armed". I say not that many were armed, although I agree that SOME demonstrators (well, I call them demonstrators - I think some here would call them storm troopers) were armed. Whatever, this was not the vast majority of the crowd). And there were "many" guns intercepted that day? How many and where? I don't know about this interdiction, so I'm genuinely interested. As for the bear spray, just as with spears and clubs, that's kind of hard to determine exactly, so if you think there was "lots" of bear spray, then more power to you! BTW, wasn't bear spray being recommended in a recent thread on this very forum? Sometimes, I guess it's handy to have bear spray around. ;-)

 

Chris, do you REALLY want to be defending these people?, posted on September 20, 2021 at 18:04:36
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 I struggle to understand how you could possibly be supportive of these honest-to-goodness, extremely dangerous criminals. They did a great deal of damage and injury that day in the process of trying to overthrow the legitimate workings of government. You are grossly minimizing what they did.
Maybe you're just being contrary for the heck of it? That's the only explanation that I'd like to think is plausible. I would expect better of you,


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I only want to defend them to the extent that they're not guilty, posted on September 20, 2021 at 18:18:45
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 If they're getting a bum rap, then of course I DO want to defend them. And I'm not going to rely on mass corporate media to lay out the facts for me. It's this same media which has inflamed people's emotions by their loose, hysterical reporting of what happened - sometimes in order to make cheap political points.

I do not agree that I'm minimizing what they did, but, in any case, I do not want to lump them all together as "dangerous criminals". Need I repeat that one of these "dangerous criminals" (an unarmed one) was shot to death?

 

RE: Chris, do you REALLY want to be defending these people?, posted on September 20, 2021 at 18:53:00
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 I know little about the insurrectionists but we rounded up about 600 hundred of them and they are in cells so we are probably safe now. And they are probably not safe.

We don't know much about what actually happened and whodunnit because they won't release the video tapes.

A good question is why are they sitting in cells for months without being sentenced for their heinous crimes?

 

RE: The other bird, posted on September 20, 2021 at 20:59:17
tweaker456
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 Ad hominem logical fallacy, once again, (so called)batman. I new Batman and you're no Batman. That I can tell you.






So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

 

RE: Is this good enough for you?, posted on September 20, 2021 at 21:08:41
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 Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 118 studies
Ivermectin Works and the CDC Knows it! We Need Accountability! - #47 by clawspiracy - Health - Disclose.tv


So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

 

RE: Chris, do you REALLY want to be defending these people?, posted on September 20, 2021 at 21:14:39
rivervalley817
 'because they won't release the video tapes'

the public shouldn't see evidence in criminal cases, that's between counsel

you know, jury tainting and whatnot

of course, the defense loves leaks because of IBID

'I know little about the insurrectionists'

certainly, of course, most comments start with a disclaimer!

'And they are probably not safe'

... safe from what? due process?

that's too damn bad isn't it!








 

RE: Chris, do you REALLY want to be defending these people?, posted on September 20, 2021 at 21:25:58
nilknarf
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 "... safe from what? due process?"

I think due process is what everybody wants.

There are reports they are being abused and senators were denied access to see for themselves. So we don't know and it looks like we aren't going to know anytime soon.

 

RE: Chris, do you REALLY want to be defending these people?, posted on September 20, 2021 at 21:39:37
rivervalley817
 'There are reports they are being abused'

*sniff*

it's like Guantanamo!

'senators were denied access'

you mean denied political theater?

I agree, traitors deserve no platform, just a day in court

good point! you rock!

be well,




 

Whoever can tune in quickly..., posted on September 21, 2021 at 07:51:55
Inmate51
 Check out the Chris Salcedo AM radio show on WBAP 820 in Dallas, or on the web. The story is on right now.

 

RE: That's a very nice quote you have there, but. . . , posted on September 22, 2021 at 13:12:32
rivervalley817
 my comment started by saying it fit the very definition of insurrection

why are you asking if that's what I think when it's the very predicate posted?

'I guess it's handy to have bear spray around'

sure, if there's bears ... and I don't mean the state police

 

LOL! Then that's not much of a definition, posted on September 22, 2021 at 14:20:41
Chris from Lafayette
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 You used the word in a heading - which did NOT contain the definition.

You say, "my comment started by saying it fit the very definition of insurrection". So what is "it"?

Sheesh!

 

RE: LOL! Then that's not much of a definition, posted on September 22, 2021 at 17:27:17
rivervalley817
 you said:

"do you think the January 6 actions constituted a rebellion too'

I already answered + gave you the text of 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection ... the very definition under the law! but that's not much of a definition? what else do you need, captioned pictures?

now you're asking "So what is "it"?" ???

if you're somehow lost in the thread it's not my fault

 

Famous blues singer that took Ivermectin is now dead!, posted on September 23, 2021 at 11:33:22
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RE: Ivermectin update..., posted on September 24, 2021 at 12:44:14
nilknarf
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 Ivermectin is one of the drugs on "The WHO Model Lists of Essential Medicines".

Good to know.

 

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