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Posted on August 29, 2002 at 21:21:12
TA
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I haven't seen many reviews posted in the last few months, and very rarely by a "regular". I know a lot of folks here could say smart and plenty. Do AA members like posting reviews? Or people prefer audioreview.com or another board for reviews?

Speaking for myself, I've only posted one review on here. Although I enjoyed seeing the responses, the review took some time to put together, so I don't think I'll do another soon.

 

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Re: Reviews, posted on August 29, 2002 at 21:53:09
Ted Smith
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Howdy

I'm a little skitterish about writing reviews.

I have enough trouble wriging clearly as it is :)

-Ted

 

Re: Reviews, posted on August 29, 2002 at 23:11:31
RBP
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As a reviewer, I love to see seasoned, older equipment reviewed in light of the more modern stuff and comparisons. Some new equipment is very unique and cannot be compared with the older stuff due to it being a new form of equipment. i/e 12 to 16 channel whole house amplifiers, SACD players, new schemes of circuit design in tube amplification and the like.

I think a review should never be based on the quality of the writing..but the vibe of the feelings of the reviewer and the preceived association of the piece in it's place in audiophilia and commerce.

Remember, reviews (from reviewers standpoints) are about a subjective experience that you share in order to help someone that wants or desires the same experience. I look at reviews as a tool (not from specific reviewers) to gain knowledge into the approximate value of procurement. Value is deemed prudent if the subject that is in the want or need mode, can save vast time (time is money for many of us..agreed?) and narrow down the choices baised on a good vibe and accuracy of the review.

An example; is a review I gave of a product in which 20+ people (bought because of review) some (thru email) told me they purchased the product because my writings, were what they wanted in a product, some even purchased (admitted) to see if my review held water, and we are talking about a 14 watt amplifier that cost 2X a pair of Maggie 1.6's.

Reviews are important tools. You can associate real world experiences through writings.

To answer you questions, some people I have actually met on this board can write damn great reviews because they are honest and experienced and have a gift for writing; they choose not to be involved because "web speak" is set in stone for those to read 5 years later..if a company goes out of biz, the product has a short life (due to nature of some high end equipmenmt) expectation being designed around maxification principals, poor time skills in R&D, and simply the pains of finance to get product to market.

A really really great product can get a great review, to become unavalable 6 months later due to poor planning or finance. Perhaps another company picks up the design and runs with it..and it may work. All of the above in this paragraph would deem the review inaccurate.

As a reviewed, I also pick what I want to review..as what I would want to own. Hell, you get a few bucks off retail on the review piece...not as much as folks lead you to believe..but dealer cost is about right, you get to enjoy interaction with the piece, intimate interaction with the design staff, manufacture and otherwise. Why not do reviews??

I will admit..their is a huge difference between professional reviewers and reviewers that want to review for reviews sake.

Professional reviewers:

Have time to break-in the equipment..if they get a faulty piece..usually do not mention this because "shit happens".

Get a wide audience..and plenty of feedback, which is healthy..(and should always be included in the rags)...which it is not if seldom.

Get special accomadation as in show tickets, sometimes cocktails and food..(not much compensation there) \

Professional reviewers most importantly get paid. Salary..many do nice income levels and actually see perks..(I have not)

I personally know of no full time reviewer that makes 6 digits...even with perks..it is not as lucritive as you think.

What good does it do to have someone review (novice) a piece of equipment and say it sucks ass..if that person got a bad sample? Professional reviewers rarely get a bad sample..but mostly a tested unit... a good idea to send that unit to a pro. review DOA Eh? No manufactuer would think of it.

IMMHO, Home reviews have way too many varables to be accurate (preferece, bias, fear of making a bad 10K choice, etc..)

Review magazines have their rightful place as well..but take all reviews with a grain of salt. Some professional reviews are in the hemoglobin of (cannot see forest for the trees) and acually dismiss fine value for fine sound. Example is thinking a 20K price piece by virtue is better than a 5K piece. If 4 constiuants agree..man look at this thing, listen to it..I hear this and that.this must be the reference..since it is 20K, 30K, 50K, perhaps 150K! The reference is really a live recoring on a professional souce compared to consumer equipment. This is actually a bad test since consumer and professional equipment are designed around different standards of impedance, connection and frequency balance..not to mention dynamic intergrety.

Best advice..read the reviews, if they peak intrest, audition the piece..check return policies and be happy with your new (or old) purchase.

Use reviews to YOUR advantage.

It has been a touchy subject..guidelines above should render it not a touchy subject..just listen and learn

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Re: Reviews, posted on August 30, 2002 at 01:15:33
G'day,
I recently made a Moth record cleaning machine from a kit and while searching the archives on Vinyl to see if i could glean any useful info there i found a lot of folks asking about the kit so after building it i posted a review. I'm leery about writing a review as it's easy just to write a hagiography about a piece of kit but as this was just a cleaning machine i thought i'd give it a bash. It took a while to write but despite the interest shown in the archives and the endless bloody questions about cleaning records no bastard responded even with a 'thanks' RB posted as he always does cos he's me dad and DPY because i think he took pity on me but it's bloody discouraging to get no responses. Imagine being a writer and no bugger buys your books.
I keep on thinking i ought to write a review of my SME turntable as there isn't any here but it would take a week to write properly and then if i got no responses or some goose responded saying i was an audio snob because i didn't buy a $50 turntable i think i'd slash my wrists and kick the dog. It must be like being the editor of Stereophile and reading the asylum at the end of the month to be confronted with Sterophile Sux by endless posters. You'd want to respond with a big "Get fucked! " wouldn't you? Then you'd have to put up with even more posters saying what an arsehole you are and they won't ever buy your rag arsed mag ever again as you're so rude and then when the mag folds next year you'll get the same folks whinging about how life is so unfair cos their favourite (cheap) magazine has gone under. Maybe the idea is to copy and paste a review from TNT or something and add and delete some words to make it look like you reviewed it? Add " strewth! This ........ made the wife so horny with it's huge bottom end that me knob's worn down to a stub" rather than " The rather pronounced bass from this.......was a joy to behold"
I dunno

Regards
Paul.

 

Re: Reviews, posted on August 30, 2002 at 07:09:13
I'm in the process of gathering all my thoughts about posting a review & I'm almost ready after having the speakers for 6 months.

I'm glad I waited because I made a few other changes to the system since I first thought I was ready with a review which will give more detail to the review.

I like posting reviews but want to make sure I've done my homework first.

 

Dear Herg,, posted on August 30, 2002 at 11:53:53
It sounds to me like you actually wrote that review and tucked it away... so if you would be so kind, please e-mail it so that I can make an properly informed decision as to which table will ravish me virginity...

Steve

 

I don't like the review format, posted on August 30, 2002 at 15:46:35
Norm
Reviewer

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I much prefer the comparisons that people do rather than the focus on a single piece.

 

Re: Reviews, posted on August 30, 2002 at 17:05:46
Rod M
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More and more reviews do get posted to various boards, so it's hard to say, but I suspect the volume is about the same. Since our reviews invite public comment, usually, the reviews tend to be more thoughtful and of higher quality than say, audioreview, I hope. That was intention. We knew upfront that making reviews public would cause fewer people to post them. But doing it anonomously has other problems. In the end, we choose to not to have a system that would invite a tremendous quantity of reviews.

Yet, I'd still like to see more. Maybe we should run a promotion and offer some prizes to the best reviews posted in some period of time.

 

Question about reviews, posted on August 30, 2002 at 19:25:03
psgary
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Rod, I've always figured reviews are supposed to be about newly released models. Is that true? Since I don't buy cutting edge gear, I've never thought of writing a review.

 

Re: Question about reviews, posted on August 30, 2002 at 19:55:12
Rod M
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No, not at all, some of the best reviews that I've read have been about older gear and even vintage gear.

 

Re: Reviews, posted on August 30, 2002 at 21:29:03
TA
Audiophile

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Joined: February 2, 2002
Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts on this topic.

I mostly like reading user reviews where Joe Blow takes us through his process of picking the component - describing his discoveries about the hobby, explaining how the process shaped his ideas about audio, and passing along some of the lessons that he learns along the way. I often find myself taking away a few new insights to apply to my own method of picking a component in reading these stories. I don't necessarily get these lessons in a press review that starts and ends with one component. Of course, press reviews are useful for gaining other insights.

With user reviews, it's not necessarily the component I learn about; it's a chance to see how others approach the hobby and see why they picked component X when I went with component Y.

 

Re: Reviews, posted on August 30, 2002 at 22:14:53
AbeCollins
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Me too, Ted. And I have a habit of getting too enthusiastic or emotional about a piece.

I did a Cary CD player review and a Parasound tuner review not too long ago. There wasn't much interest in the tuner but I happened to be in the market for one then wrote about it after I bought it.

 

I've read your cable review, posted on August 30, 2002 at 22:18:16
The Killer Piglet
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it was very thoughful, and it was clear you'd done your homework.
I've only done one review, the Rogue 120's.
I plan on doing a follow up to address some of the issues I'd listed there.

RodM, if you read this:
is it possible to happened to a review or do I need to post a new one?

KP

 

Thank you for those kind words. Did you get the $20.00 yet?, posted on August 30, 2002 at 23:40:04
I just reread the review & I've changed the speakers & the CDP & the PC's & the receptacle since then but the cables are still there and I have no plans on moving them.

I also read your review & the amps sound intriguing. that's what a review is supposed to do. Make you wonder what it would sound like in your system. Nice job!

 

I agree!, posted on August 31, 2002 at 00:40:50
RBP
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Those are valad points. The Bottlehead Forum is (well use to be) a great place for exactly that interaction...each person building a simalar item..doing it in different ways, reporting their findings, troubleshooting....kind of like a monster review...

(the above (use to be) has to do with certain indiviguals (namely one) that take pride in badgering and spewing venom amongst hobbiest, as he simply "knows it all"...Not the Good Doc though..or anyone affiliated with the great company Bottleheads.

Funny how one rotten apple can ruin it for me.
Audio Asylum® Signature line: Hearing is believing.

 

Re: Dear Bri,, posted on August 31, 2002 at 03:04:26
G'day steve,
I'd love to have my virginity ravished all over again, but without all the stuff and nonsense etc.

No review honest, just a bit of it in me head and i can't get that under the scanner without bangin' me 'ed so you'll have to be patient. I did once mention it on ...erm... www.tacobell.com..he he but i started and couldn;t really finish so it was just a gush. How about this....

I've got an SME Model 10 turntable and it's fookin ace mate!

When's the harvest start? Hic..

Regards
Paul

 

hehe! I thought we had a co-marketing deal?, posted on August 31, 2002 at 09:32:01
The Killer Piglet
Audiophile

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remember to mention the synergy with Bobonium line of Very Special Products and Cryo Viagra Sound Placebo!

Thye would really come to life with our Vigra Very Special Yoyo to keep the cables under proper tension.

Last time I tried the Sound Placebo, a doorknob disappeared. I had to turn the music off to be able to leave the room.

KP

 

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