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New tire time....

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Posted on June 10, 2021 at 15:13:20
ghost of olddude55
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 My front tires are worn (evenly) and close to the wear bars. They'd pass inspection today, probably not in November when inspection is due. We got some rain today and the car hydroplaned under power in some spots.
Tires on there now are Cooper Zeons (205/50-17, FYI), made in China. I'm not a China hater, we used to put cheap Chinese-made tires on our old cars all the time. They rode and handled OK but didn't last.
I don't want to spend Michelin or Yokohama money, don't really feel the need. I drive about 4-5,000 miles per year, mostly rural secondary and urban roads.
Thinking of replacing the Zeons with either another set of Zeons, Uniroyal Tiger Paw GTZ/2, Tiger Paw Touring A/S, or Mastercraft touring. Mastercraft is made in the US by Cooper.
Leaning towards the Tiger Paw GTZ/2. All season high performance.



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RE: New tire time...., posted on June 10, 2021 at 17:46:47
fstein
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 Consumers Reports
or read Tire-Rack tests

 

RE: New tire time...., posted on June 10, 2021 at 17:59:24
grantv
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 Some sort of tire test site is not a bad idea. Pretty much nobody in the non car test world can experience multiple tires on the same vehicle.
As far as personal experience, I've never owned any of the brands mentioned. On the cheaper tire front, I've never had complaints about BF Goodrich.

 

You might want to broaden your search , posted on June 10, 2021 at 18:00:15
PabloP
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 If you're set on US made, several foreign companies make tires in the US. You might look at Conti's General brand, good all season tires I've used on a few cars. I like the BF Goodrich performance all seasons. You have to look at the tire codes to see where they were made.

 

My Son and SIL have the Tiger Paw A/S on their BMW and Mini Cooper..., posted on June 10, 2021 at 21:44:34
TWB
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 and are very happy with the performance and ride. I have General Altimax tires on both our cars and they have been pretty good thus far.

 

RE: New tire time...., posted on June 11, 2021 at 03:43:47
dark_dave56
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 Uniroyals in the US are manufactured by Michelin. In other markets, they are made by Continental. I looked up both of those Tiger Paw models, and CR was not thrilled with the GTZ A/S 2. It got good ratings for dry, OK for wet, but the bigger issue was a 35K life-span vs the claimed 50K. They don't appear to be all that inexpensive, either.

Complete Car likes the Touring A/S, but states that competition from Kumho, Hankook and General are better and cheaper.

Have you looked into any of the BFG or Bridgestone Potenzas? I absolutely despise Firestone tires, but that is my bias (based on past bad experiences decades ago)--may be unfounded these days, but I'll never go back and try--yeah, that bad.

My Italian stallions and Ford GT are shod with Michelin Pilot Cup series and Pirelli P-Zeroes, but they are not A/S tires (there are A/S tires available in both of those lines). The 'Stang has Michelin TRX-2 on the stock wheels (nothing else fits, since they are metric 390mm rims). The 15" GT rims that I have for it have Goodyear Eagle GT IIs on them, but that is just for looks--I'm not taking that car out and flogging it, or racking up thousands of miles, so I don't really care.

Good Luck and Happy Hunting!!!






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My daughter has been using Tiger Paw tires for years., posted on June 11, 2021 at 03:58:03
ghost of olddude55
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 But I don't know which tire. Those touring tires, according to what I've read, are designed primarily for minivans and SUVs.



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I'm ignoring the advice I usually give other people..., posted on June 11, 2021 at 04:04:36
ghost of olddude55
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 Which is "go to Tire Rack," because I've got a good local tire store with the same selection as TR but lower prices across the board. Those Uniroyal GTZ are $90 each there which is an excellent price for the size I need. Not worried about the 35K tread life because the tires will run past their expiration date long before I put that many miles on the car.
Local tire store doesn't list prices for the BF Goodrich Comp T/A AS on the website, I had to ask for a quote (waiting for the response).
We're going to pay a visit to my wife's brother later this year and we usually hit a real frog drowner either on the way down or the way back. Wouldn't want to be doing 70 in the rain with my front tires.



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Waiting for a quote on the BF Goodrich., posted on June 11, 2021 at 04:15:36
ghost of olddude55
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 I have General winter tires, they're pretty good. Actually got to drive them in snow this year, they grip really well.
Doubt if I'll buy the touring tires, or get another set of Zeons. The tire size I need kind of limits my choices and they're all expensive.
I'd rather go with AS tires rather than summer compound because of ambient temperature more than snow. You have to get the summer tires off the car before temps start getting into the 30s.



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Actually, the tires we got the most mileage out of probably are Sumitomos., posted on June 11, 2021 at 04:32:59
ghost of olddude55
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 Got them on my wife's car.



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Yeah, Tire Rack and Discount Tire are generally decent..., posted on June 11, 2021 at 05:12:54
dark_dave56
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 ...but not always the best. Then you have to deal with a local tire shop or mechanic that will mount and balance them for you after you get them, so it's hit and miss on "value".

If I were you, I'd sell those 18" rims tires--BEFORE they are no longer relevant. I assume (don't know) that they are a standard GM 5-bolt FWD format rim? Dump them before they are no longer wanted.

Tires--especially in your case, with low annual mileage, are an investment, so pick what you like, regardless of cost. No sense in beating yourself up for a couple bucks.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: New tire time...., posted on June 11, 2021 at 05:31:04
G Squared
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 Take a look as General Gmax AS. They are a good semi-budget tire (not exactly cheap). You like to drive, you have a fun car in good shape, don't cheap out on tires too much. You will enjoy the new ride feel.
Gsquared

 

Nother problem I have...getting the Tire Rack order to the tire shop., posted on June 11, 2021 at 05:34:32
ghost of olddude55
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 Last time I had tires done, I ordered the winter tires and they came pre-mounted. Before that, I had the Ranger and could throw the tires and wheels from the Chevy into the truck.
Now, all I have is the Chevy and the tires won't fit in one trip. I don't think I can get them into the trunk at all. I know for sure all four will not fit in the trunk.
I got a quote on the BF Goodrich Comp T/A-2 which gets rave reviews, and I'm taking the car over Monday morning to get 'em loaded up.
BTW, the 18-inch wheels and the Bridgestone Pole Positions mounted on them are sitting in the garage. Got the pictures taken, just haven't posted them yet on CL. The ride with those tires on the car is punishing. There isn't enough sidewall and what sidewall there is is stiffer than Ron Jeremy's wangdoodle after a good fluffing.
But those wheels will fit five-bolt Cobalts, G-5s, HHRs, and also fit Malibus, Monte Carlos (remembah them?), and Impalas. Probably fit the Saturn Aura and Astra (quick--try to picture an Aura or Astra in your mind). What I need is some 19- or 20-year old kid who doesn't care about the hard ride, only cares about how the wheels look. And they do look good.



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How about BF Goodrich Comp TA-2 AS?, posted on June 11, 2021 at 05:40:10
ghost of olddude55
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 I wanted to put them on the car when I first got it.



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RE: Actually, the tires we got the most mileage out of probably are Sumitomos., posted on June 11, 2021 at 06:56:55
grantv
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 Good brand as far as I know, yes. Never owned any, so can't say from personal experience...

 

Ended up going with BF Goodrich., posted on June 11, 2021 at 07:05:46
ghost of olddude55
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 Comp T/A/2 all season ultra high performance.
Never used Goodrich tires on any of the 25-odd cars and trucks I've owned.



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Good choice IME, posted on June 11, 2021 at 08:11:52
grantv
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 You've got me BFG reminiscing now...
First car I ever owned, and first brand new set of tires not too long after were BFG T/A's (not the Comp T/A's)
Later I had the Comp T/A's on a car, but for some reason can't recall which car, liked them plenty I do recall though.
My winters for my Acadia are BFG winter KSI's, super happy with them.

 

RE: How about BF Goodrich Comp TA-2 AS?, posted on June 11, 2021 at 08:24:32
G Squared
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 No experience - I have never had a BF Goodrich tire. I have Michelin Super Sport AS 3+ now. They are new and great. I had the chance to drive in the rain with them. Very good wet performance and ride comfort (stiff sidewall). They are not cheap, but Costco ran a $150 off a set of 4 installed. I pulled the trigger.
Gsquared

 

Me Too!, posted on June 11, 2021 at 09:32:37
Sibelius
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 Got 20,000 out of the OEM Conti Contact Sport 6's. A little disappointing, they're rated for 30,000. I know soft, wear faster, but still...

Looking at Michelin Pilot Sport 4s, Super Sport, or A/S 3 Plus for all season. I don't anticipate any cold weather driving so the first two are more likely. Hope I can get a few more miles from the Michelins.

 

I replaced my Zeons with Zeons ..., posted on June 11, 2021 at 10:47:17
reelsmith.
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 I only needed two, so seemed like the right thing to do. Might try something else if/when I need four.

I'm more impressed with them than you seem to be. I've got 35K spirited driving miles on them. I'm really impressed with their handling and they are great in the rain.

Had a suspension issue last year that prematurely wore two out.

I look forward to your findings on whatever it is you get.

Dean.








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RE: New tire time...., posted on June 11, 2021 at 11:15:14
pictureguy
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 I put Kuhmo on my Element and got 40k out of 'em and would have gotten at least another 5k but winter / rain was near and I didn't want to get caught with 'thin' tires.

Kumho is a good, 2nd string tire.

Anything in the Pirelli line catch your eye? Or perhaps Bridgestone?
Too much is never enough

 

RE: How about BF Goodrich Comp TA-2 AS?, posted on June 11, 2021 at 11:31:32
veloceleste
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Continentals, posted on June 11, 2021 at 11:34:56
Rocket_Powered
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 I've had bad luck with Michelins in the past.

Take a look at some Continentals. They have been pretty good tires, and they last. We never got anything that resemble ultra high performance super sticky summer tires (no need for such).

Places like Costco and BJ's have good prices as well.

 

Ford vs. Ferrari, posted on June 11, 2021 at 11:37:07
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 Italian stallions (assuming Ferrari) and a Ford GT? Wow. You can have your own Ford vs Ferrari races :D.

 

RE: Me Too!, posted on June 11, 2021 at 12:29:11
G Squared
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 Not sure about wear. My Sport 3+ AS are a few months old. I like em, but my car lives outside and is driven year around and sees winter cold.
Gsquared

 

I'm not a Michelin fan either., posted on June 11, 2021 at 14:14:57
ghost of olddude55
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 My ex-wife's '84 Civic came with Michelins from the factory. They were noisy and didn't last long. Doubt we got 20K miles on them.
We had Michelins on another car, too, and weren't happy with them either. But that was all a long time ago.
Had the original style Michelin X on a VW Super Beetle, though, and they were noisy but otherwise good.




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I think they're pretty good tires., posted on June 11, 2021 at 14:17:25
ghost of olddude55
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 But the original owner of the car had them installed, they're 8 years old, they apparently were never rotated (surprising because the car was well-maintained before I got it) and the front pair wore down.
Figured this was a chance to try something new.



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Pirelli P-Zeros were OE on the Cobalt SS., posted on June 11, 2021 at 14:18:32
ghost of olddude55
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 But IMO they're too expensive. It's the WAF, what can I say?



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Do you use winter tires?, posted on June 11, 2021 at 17:21:27
PabloP
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 My daughter in law drives from Westmont down the hill into Johnstown for work. I think they just have the all seasons that came on the cars when bought new.

 

Yes., posted on June 12, 2021 at 04:43:11
ghost of olddude55
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 three sets of wheels and tires for the car. Original GM 17-inch alloys with Cooper Zeons, 18-inch GM alloys with Bridgetone Pole Positions, and 16-inch steelies with General Artic Altimax winters.
The car looks terrific with the 18-inch alloys. I had them media-blasted and powder coated in Porsche silver. But the Pole Positions are summer tires so they have to come off in mid-October here. Also, the ride is punishing. GM offered the 18-inch alloys as a option for my car (they were standard on the supercharged version) but there just isn't enough sidewall for our cratered roads. High performance summer tires have stiff sidewalls too. Great for the track, but I don't drive on the track. I'm going to sell them off later this summer.
Those General winter tires are pretty danged good. Since it doesn't snow that often here anymore, at least not on a day when I have to drive anywhere, I've only had one chance to test on them and they did really well on some steep snow covered hills.



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That movie..., posted on June 12, 2021 at 05:11:37
dark_dave56
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 ...increased the (current) value of my GT by 2.5-3X from when I purchased it. And mine isn't even one of the original GT40s from the 60's. Mine is a 2005. The very last numbers-matching GT40 built in 1969 is currently up for sale, and I'm sure the final auction price will be absolutely insane.

And yes, the Italian-stallions have a prancing horse in black and yellow on the badges. 1990 Testarossa (red-headed step-child) and 2004 360 Spider (convertible).

The car that gets the most attention (right now) is my recently-acquired 1979 Mustang Indy Pace car. It's no "barn-burner", but I had one back in the day and built/beat/re-built the shit out of it. I found this one with ~200 original miles on it and got "misty" on it--so $35K later it was here.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

This comes back around to another "issue" that I have mentioned..., posted on June 12, 2021 at 05:30:31
dark_dave56
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 ...people keep bitching about new cars/vehicles not having spares. Yeah, it's cheaper for a manufacturer not to include a spare tire/jack and they may eek out one more mpg due to the reduced weight, but new(er) vehicles have got some pretty extreme (large) tire/rim packages on them. Even if you have a "compact/donut spare", WTF do you do with the HUGE rim/tire that you just pulled off the vehicle? It sure as hell isn't going to fit in the space that you just pulled the temporary spare out of.

Depending on the vehicle, number of passengers, and amount of cargo, it may not fit at all. So what's the point in even having a spare available?


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

When my ex-wife and I got our first apartment..., posted on June 12, 2021 at 05:39:02
ghost of olddude55
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 she had a Camaro, '76 or '77. There was only enough room in the trunk for the spare. Bringing stuff to the apartment, we had to put it on the seats.
I've never tried carrying a full size spare, but I think one of my winter tires would fit in the spare tire well.



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Michelin has a top reputation but average and expensive tires, posted on June 12, 2021 at 07:41:40
Jay Buridan
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 Mine wore out fast, too.

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RE: Michelin has a top reputation but average and expensive tires, posted on June 12, 2021 at 10:46:27
Sibelius
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 4 sets of Pilots on my departed Mercedes, each got about 50,000. The OEM Continentals, 20,000. Michelin stopped making the size I needed so the last set at 220,000 miles were Yokahamas. Unfortunately 2 weeks later my car was totaled, so I'll never know how long those would've lasted.

My A4 has OEM Continentals, which now need to be replaced at...20,000 miles, with a supposed life of 30,000. I'll be putting Michelins on.

Oh, and my Acura RDX had OEM Michelin MXM4's which got over 60,000 and were replaced with a set of MXV4's which are still perfect at 40,000.

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RE: Yes., posted on June 12, 2021 at 22:31:03
pictureguy
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 My S-2000 came with the S-02 Pole Positi0n in 16"
Wonderful tire but frightening when wet......
I drove it year-round and put some Michelin A/S tires on it......from the Pilot Sport series.
Too much is never enough

 

My truck and Suburban..., posted on June 13, 2021 at 03:21:40
dark_dave56
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 ...both have full-sized spares (mounted underneath), but they are HUGE vehicles with room to spare (pun intended). The truck has 20" rims, the Suburban has 22" rims (stock/factory).

The other problem with spare tires (temporary or full-sized) is that virtually no one every maintains them, and they're flat by the time they need to use them. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that half the people out there on the road don't even know if they have a spare, or how to safely install it.

A couple years ago, I had to "rescue" a panicked woman in a WalMart parking lot. She couldn't get into her car. The battery in the key-fob had gone dead. I stuck the key in the lock and unlocked the car for her--she didn't even know you could do that. Then I popped the battery out of the key-fob and told her to go back inside to Electronics/Photo and "buy one of these--the number's on the back". She probably relies on the "nanny lights" on the dash to keep her tires inflated, oil changed and put gas in it. She'd have no clue what to do with a spare tire and jack.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

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