RE: It's true...masks don't work! - JURB 05:50:57 04/20/21 (8)
 Well... sure... everyone here ready for the next surge? Wouldn't want to give... - musetap 12:04:21 04/20/21 (0)
 RE: It's true...masks don't work! - Goober58 10:54:15 04/20/21 (5)

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 RE: It's true...masks don't work! - JURB 05:50:57 04/20/21 (8)
 Well... sure... everyone here ready for the next surge? Wouldn't want to give... - musetap 12:04:21 04/20/21 (0)
 RE: It's true...masks don't work! - Goober58 10:54:15 04/20/21 (5)
 RE: It's true...masks don't work! - Rod M 12:17:39 04/20/21 (2)
 Oh that value of life thing. People take that wrong I think. - Goober58 13:51:25 04/20/21 (0)
 RE: It's true...masks don't work! - tweaker456 12:40:22 04/20/21 (0)
 RE: It's true...masks don't work! - tweaker456 11:43:14 04/20/21 (1)
 RE: It's true...masks don't work! - Goober58 12:29:19 04/20/21 (0)
 RE: Well jurb - tweaker456 06:57:46 04/20/21 (0)
 Welllllll... you need to wear them properly, for one thing... - musetap 22:10:19 04/19/21 (0)
 RE: It's true...masks don't work! - tweaker456 19:35:25 04/19/21 (0)
 RE: It's true...masks don't work! - fantja 19:33:58 04/19/21 (0)
 RE: It's true...masks don't work! - Inmate51 13:49:24 04/19/21 (1)
 RE: It's true...masks don't work! - LouGiants 16:24:20 04/19/21 (0)
 You're Correct, Masks are not 100%, especially if you are dealing with people that don't wear them.... - Cut-Throat 13:04:27 04/19/21 (1)
 Yep. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 19:07:32 04/19/21 (0)
 You gave yourself away.... - double28 12:50:18 04/19/21 (0)
 Allergies? - richardl 12:04:59 04/19/21 (0)
 it's covid for sure... - Jim Pearce 12:02:52 04/19/21 (3)
 RE: it's covid for sure... - rivervalley817 19:09:45 04/19/21 (0)
 If this is COVID... - Rod M 18:56:22 04/19/21 (1)
 RE: If this is COVID... - fantja 23:57:58 04/19/21 (0)

For myself, social distancing itself is a big factor in not getting germs. I always go away for the winter, and when I used to winter in Florida I would go to large social gatherings attended by hundreds of people from Northern States. I got the worst Colds and Flu I ever had.... When I started wintering in the Bahamas or other remote islands, I was pretty much free of viruses.

For the past year, I've been wearing disposable gloves everywhere. Once and done - they go into my trash bag in the car. Hot chicks think it's a little weird.

A couple weeks ago, as you know, since you deleted my post, some black guy was picking up all the avocados at the grocery store, to find just the right one. No gloves. When I pointed out to him that he didn't have to handle every one, he made some sort of racial slur against Caucasian people.

Also, it's in the air. Contagions are in the damn air! And they land on your clothes!

So, no, masks aren't enough. You must also wear disposable gloves, especially since most people don't. (Preferably, not made in China.)

keep washing those hands!

You might say what about the undetected cases of which there are many. I would ask what about the people who are already infected who haven't yet died of which there will be many.

Yes ultimately is 1.784% is probably going to be high. But to say it "kills only a portion of 1%" seems like polishing a turd to me.

Remember when this outbreak began death rates of over 5% were being considered as possible. We got lucky the actual death rate is probably going to end up being a big portion of 1%.

My position on this thing is regardless of the effectiveness of masks and social distancing and the shutdowns we ended up losing closer to having done nothing lives v. being closer to what we would have lost if we had 50 of States operating under a central leadership.

Going forward I almost wish the death rate was higher as what many have seemed to learn from this pandemic is it's no big deal. In fact some States are passing laws that will make it impossible for Cities to attempt to protect their citizens the next time around when the death rate could be 10% or higher. We are showing the world the fools that we are.

In the end this was a National Security failure.

Flu variations have different death rates. I think they range from .04% to .15% - I don't feel like looking it up but something like that - you can look it up and tell me I'm wrong if you want. I think its fair to say Covid is 5 to 10 times more lethal.

I agree with you that it's not over on 4 fronts.

1. New variation can arise that are not effected by vaccination. So we could have to run through this process all over again. And these variations can be more or less contagious and lethal than those we've already identified.

2.) Yearly boosters will likely continue to be needed.

3.) Many are suffering long term permanent damage from their infections. This includes children thru the elderly. Many more who survived the virus in good health are damaged in ways that will begin to show up when we begin see earlier onset of ailments typically found in the elderly.

4.) Our failure at preventing the spread of these disease and our apparent inability to grasp the importance of the failure indicates a serious vulnerability with our national security. Seems the security apparatus would understand this but something this important could actual fly under everyone's radar. To me that's odd considering how some have blamed a foreign nation for the infection unleashed within our borders.

• https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/c