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New/old "Pony" is here...

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Posted on March 8, 2021 at 04:05:24
dark_dave56
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 ...delivered yesterday--1979 Indy Pace Car 'Stang. It'll go to the dealer later this week for all new fluids/filters, hoses/belts, brakes/tires.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

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RE: New/old "Pony" is here..., posted on March 8, 2021 at 06:38:10
G Squared
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 Make sure the "dealer" takes appropriate care of your new ride. The dealers around here except one would have no clue on a 42 year old car.
Gsquared

 

RE: New/old "Pony" is here..., posted on March 8, 2021 at 06:56:36
Inmate51
 Yeah, and choose the mechanic who's going to work on it. Preferably one who drives or at least owns a vintage car. My mechanic has an early '70s Corvette, and his Dad has a 1980 Chevrolet pickup.

:)

 

RE: You should listen to these guys, posted on March 8, 2021 at 12:08:57
B. Scarpia
 Someone who's on his way to a worthy collection of classic performance cars and has already invested a great deal of time and treasure, obviously needs the help.

 

Thanks for the concerns..., posted on March 8, 2021 at 12:44:27
dark_dave56
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 ...I do realize that dealers/service technicians are "hit and miss", to put it mildly. This particular dealer is "the one" in my area that can service my GT, and the service manager is older than me--hell, he probably sold one of these back in the day. I just want all Ford factory-spec'd parts/fluids, and a detailed work-order/receipt from the dealer--authenticity.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: New/old "Pony" is here..., posted on March 8, 2021 at 16:18:30
pictureguy
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 I think other posters here have hit it on the head when talking about the ownership of a desireable older car.
If I had that Continental Mk2? Where would I get it serviced? Or even the posters barely 40+ year old Mustang?
It gets weird FAST if you show up at the BMW Dealer with a 1970 2002 or a mid-70s CSI. And I'll bet NOBODY in the States could completely fix a Mercedes 600 ....very complex with stuff like Hydraulic Window lifts......
Too much is never enough

 

I get your point, but..., posted on March 9, 2021 at 04:00:07
dark_dave56
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 ...just like there are audio geeks out there that dedicate their lives/efforts to restoring, repairing, and preserving old tube radios, consoles, turntables, speakers, tape decks, there are car geeks out there doing the same with vehicles.

Older cars are generally far less complex than modern vehicles, and easier to work on. Getting certain/specific parts can pose a challenge, but if there's a will, there's a way. If they were/are popular enough, there is an abundance of reproduction parts available, and custom-fabrication has become far more accessible than ever.

This 'Stang is not all that "special". It's a Fox-platform car--a platform that Ford used under probably a dozen different models for over a decade. The bulk of the parts were "off the rack" Ford inventory.

What makes it valuable is that it is a special/limited edition, all-original/numbers-matching, one-owner, low-mileage car with all of the appropriate documentation. First year for the Mustang on that platform, and first year for the 2.3L turbo as well. I could buy any scrapped Mustang from 1979-1993 and (with enough effort and money) "clone" my original. Wouldn't be worth as much (in the end), but could even be developed into an "improvement" on the original, yet look the same.

That's why documents are so important when you look at these relatively "high-dollar" cars for sale or up for auction. I can buy an old 6 cyl Camaro for a few hundred bucks and turn it into an RS/SS or Z28--the numbers won't match--but it's not hard to do.

The European marques are a little tougher, but there are "specialists" out there that can fix/replicate anything--you just have to dig deeper to find them, and probably get your name on a waiting list.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

MB 600, posted on March 9, 2021 at 07:46:34
robertkeir
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 There's a guy in Wausau Wisconsin who restores the old 600. I think he appeared on Jay Leno's garage when Leno featured the car. As far as I know, he's still in business.

 

RE: I get your point, but..., posted on March 9, 2021 at 10:51:32
pictureguy
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 Knew a lady 2 decades ago who owned a business......I wish I could remember the name, but it was basically 'classic Mustang Parts'. That silly gas cap? $$$$ since they apparently get stolen lots.

I argued with my brother for decades about 'old cars'. He insisted they were 'worth something' while I said they were worth what somebody was willing to pay.

All that restoration and 'restomod' stuff if VERY expensive and unless you agree with it, might not be in the best of taste. Here in SoCal I'll bet it is a challenge to find quality work...but NOT impossible.

At some of the gatherings, I've seen AWFUL welds on those aluminum radiators. And only OK paint.

If I got involved with an old car? A DRIVER would be my goal. My brother was always concerned with some mythical value and the 'right stuff''. Right engine right tranny. All the rest.
I want a DRIVER.
But Since you ask? My brithday is coming and I'd LOVE the '68 Chevy Impala SS427 Convertible.
4 speed preferred. In RED.
Too much is never enough

 

RE: MB 600, posted on March 9, 2021 at 11:01:18
pictureguy
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 I'll bet a chat with THAT guy could be an expensive afternoon!

Our company had Jay help with a little project. We were getting our Pre WWI Baker Electric back on the road.
4 seats like thrones. Front pair would rotate to face backwards. Red crushed velvet interioir.
Drove from the REAR seat with pedals and a tiller. Very friendly and homey inside.
Too much is never enough

 

Yep, the beauty of Ford is the generally mix-and-match model design , posted on March 9, 2021 at 13:23:54
JDK
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 Not all that many actual innovations over a generation of the Mustang/Falcon or Mustang/Fox body platform.

As far as Euros go, a friend here in Sydney is unfortunate enough to be a Citroen DS nut - And it seems there is only one mechanic in the whole city that knows how to set them up so they don't overheat ;-)




Trying to hide from entropy
John K

 

RE: MB 600, posted on March 9, 2021 at 14:06:05
robertkeir
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 The 600 is a fascinating car, and was said to be the most expensive production car of its' time. They cost $24,000 in the U.S. in the mid 1960's. I think the Rolls Phantom V was more ($35,000) but that might be a faulty memory on my part as I can't find any verification of that price on the internet. I saw one at the Chicago Motor Show in 1966 and I think that was the price. In any event it may have been more a reflection of the exchange rates at the time rather than the true value of the cars. The German mark was greatly undervalued and the pound was not.

 

RE: MB 600, posted on March 9, 2021 at 14:10:01
pictureguy
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 The ONLY downside of the 600? That PIG from Top Gear owns one.

One way to further assess value? find out exchange rate of DM and GBP in 68 THAN have a go at the math....
Too much is never enough

 

RE: MB 600, posted on March 9, 2021 at 14:17:17
robertkeir
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 To the best of my recollection, the DM was 24.7 cents and the pound was $2.80. When currencies were allowed to float, the mark approximately doubled in price. German goods became a lot more expensive.

 

Top Gear, posted on March 9, 2021 at 14:52:26
robertkeir
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 I actually miss Clarkson, May, and Hammond. They were hilarious if sometimes outrageous. And even though my ancestors are mostly Scots, I didn't get upset over Clarkson's Gordon Brown insult.

 

RE: Top Gear, posted on March 9, 2021 at 15:18:16
pictureguy
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 After his SECOND shunt with the staff of the show, and later cancelation, I now boycott reruns and find the American verions insipid. Clarkson was rightfully fired.
I'm in love with Sabine Schmitz.
Too much is never enough

 

RE: Top Gear, posted on March 9, 2021 at 15:33:34
robertkeir
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 Fair enough. I certainly hope that Ms. Schmitz fully regains her health.

 

RE: Top Gear, posted on March 9, 2021 at 15:38:30
pictureguy
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 Just heard! She's the greatest and I wish her the BEST possible outcome.


Too much is never enough

 

Well--you're both right..., posted on March 10, 2021 at 03:14:37
dark_dave56
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 ...in different respects.

Your brother is correct in the "added value" of everything being "original"--correct #'s-matching drivetrain, color/paint codes for the interior/exterior, factory options/deletes, accurate ownership and service history, etc.

But you are also correct in that ANYTHING is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

I also agree with you about the "restorations" and "resto-mods". Many are not executed well, or in the case of "mods"--tastefully, or safely. The majority of the ones that are executed well/professionally rarely sell for the amount of money invested. There are some that do, but they are the 1 of 10 ever produced and/or owned/raced by blah-blah way back when.

I have several "big-boy-toy" cars, and they are all "drivers"--and when the weather gets nicer and the salt is off the roads, they'll all get driven again. I try to keep them in 100% condition, and maintain them well, but I don't obsess over them.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

About your '68 Impala..., posted on March 10, 2021 at 04:07:19
dark_dave56
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 ..."college-fund"?--screw the f**king college-fund--get a job you lazy f**k! I need this NOW!...and I'll be needing you to work some O/T for gas-money for this bitch!

Personally, I'd rather have a white top and interior to go with the red, but here is your car. I've owned cars with dark tops/interiors, and top-down or T-tops/Targa-panel removed, you'd better have a beach towel with you to sit down on.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: Well--you're both right..., posted on March 10, 2021 at 09:50:25
pictureguy
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 Well, Dark, Sounds like you have a decent perspective.

Drive 'em!

Too bad that virtually EVERYTHING with wheels made before 1970 now has the word 'classic' attached and priced accordingly.


Too much is never enough

 

RE: About your '68 Impala..., posted on March 10, 2021 at 09:57:28
pictureguy
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 I owned a Honda @-2000 . White with Rawlings baseball glove interior AND the BLACKTOP.

Gotta say that driving around in Palm Springs one summer was AWFUL. AC helped but the only real cure will be during the Next Ice Age.....
Too much is never enough

 

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