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92,000 Americans over 100, now, and its one of the

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Posted on March 7, 2021 at 08:38:05
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 fastest growing age groups. With the boomers a couple of decades away, I wonder how future society is going to deal with it? Oh, and this is playing out with a decade's long steep decline in births and now, Covid-19 apparently has led to even lesser births...

 

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Most of them are women., posted on March 7, 2021 at 11:03:01
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 Why do you think society has to deal with them?

As far as less births is concerned, that's a good thing. Less people, less problems.

 

RE: Most of them are women., posted on March 7, 2021 at 11:06:56
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 Less births mean less people paying into Social Security and Medicare. And that is exactly why society will have to deal with them. Social Security currently has a $3 Trillion Dollar surplus that the Baby Boomers have been funding, up until lately. It will deplete this surplus by 2034 and start getting less money than it needs to pay out.

Medicare is broke already and low birth rates will affect it as well. We need that GOP health plan now! -- Do you know when it will be announced? :-)



 

RE: Most of them are women., posted on March 7, 2021 at 11:47:28
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 My wife and I are both retired. We paid into the system a combined 87 years. We both have Medicare because it's required once you reach 65. It cost me more when I went on Medicare, but I didn't have a choice. I had to pay for the medical insurance I had with my employer plus Medicare and they even charged me a premium above the Medicare normal premium after checking with the IRS. We now are both on Medicare and pay for a plan called Medicare Plus. It's never been free for us. Maybe it is for some, but I'm sure I'm not the only one in my boat.

I don't know when the GOP Health Plan will be announced. Do they have some kind of magic to make it free. I hope that the new free plan doesn't cost more than the current free plan.

Less people paying taxes is a minus. Less people requiring government assistance is a plus. I don't know the exact math for that, but it may or may not be a minus.

I'm pretty sure this is going to get political somehow, so no need to say more.

 

RE: 92,000 Americans over 100, now, and its one of the , posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:05:23
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 I'm sure the responsible are having even less children as they have been since the advent of convenient birth control. The irresponsible will continue to have children they cannot support as they have for decades.

 

My dad turned 99 last Sunday he will most likely make it to 100. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:06:38
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"Responsible?" Is that a synonym for elites looking down on the, posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:27:30
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 less fortunate? Help me out here.

 

Help you out????..., posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:32:09
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 Pretty straight forward statement there, but I'm sure you can drag out
your soapbox and try to turn it into something more palatable to you.

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Data source? nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:34:25
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80% are women. "Deal with it?" Rather obvious, I thought. , posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:35:46
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 Social security, Medicaid, nursing home costs, etc., how much more revenue will it take when boomers vastly expand the numbers of those living FAR beyond formerly expected ages?

How many lower middle-class families will end up penurious? How many of the poor will end up all over our streets, the shelters overwhelmed?

The economic costs, long term, will be enormous because we have, I'm sure you know, a "pay it forward" financing system for these government programs. Less workers, more problems.

There is NO discussion of this throughout the developed world, and every year, births go down and longevity increases.

Personally, I strongly disagree with the thrust of a NYT article today in which the authors decry the falling birthrate: we need it to sink as far as possible!

 

A rag named the New York Times. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:36:09
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RE: Most of them are women., posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:37:47
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 "I don't know when the GOP Health Plan will be announced."
I don't see that happening anytime soon.

 

Can you please explain? You're retired now, but you worked past 65, right?, posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:42:46
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 And factoring in both of you living to your 80s (if you made it this far, I believe actuarial figures would so show) and perhaps beyond--- you're not going to get huge savings through Medicare?
(My sister had a long term serious condition: 1 million+ in total fees; payments were under $8,000). I'd say that's a pretty good savings.

 

RE: Most of them are women., posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:43:46
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 13 years, and counting...

 

RE: 92,000 Americans over 100, now, and its one of the , posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:50:36
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 And that is a problem that will continue to grow and will reach a tipping point way before we have to worry about how many people reach 100.

 

Odds are good: he'll have his choice of similarly aged babes! nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:53:30
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Try and be commonly courteous and just answer a simple question? , posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:55:06
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 What does "responsible" in that context mean to you?

 

GOP Health Plan is so far fetched it's yet to qualify as an oxymoron... N/T, posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:55:47
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ROTFLOL! (nt), posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:57:37
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Tip - Don't save Sex for your old Age............. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 12:59:25
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It means responsible..., posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:04:40
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 what does it mean to you now that you've done him
the discourtesy of attempting to spin his statement?

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Responsible and fortunate do seem to go together., posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:11:14
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 Irresponsible and unfortunate do as well. It's fortunate that some people are responsible, and it's unfortunate that some are irresponsible.

 

Is defining a term you repeated so difficult? Go ahead, please, sir. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:11:42
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"What's the one thing not to save for the future?" Good brain teaser! nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:12:40
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When my hearing goes..., posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:13:37
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 well, between that and Alzheimer's, I will reevaluate my will to live.

 

Not at all, you used it first, so you MUST know what it means AND..., posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:18:06
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 don't tell me Google doesn't work for you?

No wonder you need help with it and are searching for a synonym to wrap your POV around.


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Generalities are worthless. Tell us what you think is irresponsible behavior. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:19:31
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So you support sex education, free birth control and abortion, right?, posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:20:35
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 We agree!

 

RE: 80% are women. "Deal with it?" Rather obvious, I thought. , posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:23:29
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 So what do you think the solution is or are you just wringing your hands?

 

Indeed I do.. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:24:17
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Heman used the term, then you repeated it. I posited what he could mean, but, posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:26:20
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 like you, he runs away from telling us all what "responsible" means in THIS context to HIM.

And please, asking someone what they mean by a generality, by guessing since they refuse to specify, hardly is "discourteous."

Back to the point: what is your thinking about this term, "responsible?"

 

I'm not clear on what is elitist about accepting responsibility..., posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:26:40
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 for the care, feeding and housing of ones offspring.

 

RE: Tip - Don't save Sex for your old Age............. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:28:32
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 My MIL was 86 when she passed and she had a boyfriend. I tried not to picture what that involved. It was sweet.

 

What is elitist is assuming that all poor people are irresponsible .............nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:31:17
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Runs away?, posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:35:06
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 My wife and I went for a walk.
What I mean by responsible is realizing whether or not one has the means to raise a child and deciding to postpone procreating until one does. The irresponsible are those who are supporting their offspring with government assistance yet chose to have child after child.
By the way it's hcman.

 

I don't. I assume that ALL people relying on charity who continue..., posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:40:06
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 to have children are irresponsible.

 

RE: Generalities are worthless. Tell us what you think is irresponsible behavior. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:40:43
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 Irresponsible actions are those taken without forethought or planning for the consequences. Having children you can't support, driving without insurance, buying something you can't afford. The list could get lengthy, but you know what irresponsible behavior is. You may have been involved in some since you need it defined.

 

I could define it for you but if you weren't happy with the definition..., posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:42:09
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 then I might have to defend myself from your extraordinary self- righteousness.

If you have existing issues with hcman (and it now seems VERY apparent that you do)
no wonder he doesn't respond to you.

I'm not here to jump on your bandwagon, help you set-up your soapbox, interpret
what others mean or define myself to your satisfaction or needs.

My advise would be to continue to read into whatever is posted here how you see fit.

Seems to me that at some point you and Inmate51 are going to come from opposite ends and merge.

Should be interesting.




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Exactly. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 13:55:37
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Actually, that's extraordinarily inaccurate. Birth rates among the poor have, posted on March 7, 2021 at 14:00:20
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 plummeted and continue to fall.

 

Common ground! nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 14:01:07
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Infant mortality is higher among the poor, WAY higher. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 14:02:51
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You can't extrapolate,, posted on March 7, 2021 at 14:07:35
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 how much monetary benefit my wife and I will receive from Medicare based on an table our ages an actuary table and your sister's experience. Insurance is like that. Some people pay in. Some people have claims.

So far, we have been healthy and paying premiums.

 

Let's consider the case of Emma, a very poor woman. She comes from a broken home,, posted on March 7, 2021 at 14:09:34
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 she has no prospect of help from either of her parents--- or grandparents. I am reasonably sure you remember what it was to be young. She is a healthy young woman. Unfortunately, she lives in an area where birth control and abortion aren't available--- and she can't afford them, anyhow.

You can, A. Expect her not to have sex until she's settled down with a spectacular bread earner--- not exactly a likely prospect in her circle; B. Ensure she has health services that provide sex ed and birth control options, including abortion.

I'm sure you're aware that hoping teens or young folks will just "control themselves" is a tad ridiculous...

 

I hope your use of "solution" was subconscious? , posted on March 7, 2021 at 14:14:17
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 I think we need to consider (meaning discuss it, at least) allowing folks some sort of "death with dignity" option. Forcing people to continue to live against their will is bizarre.

 

A human pretzel, just from being asked one simple question! , posted on March 7, 2021 at 14:15:44
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 The smell of fear pervades...

 

RE: Runs away?, posted on March 7, 2021 at 14:19:14
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 Okay, "walk away!" :-)

That's a good definition, but I'd say the problem is "postpone."

What if a woman has no foreseeable prospects to rise from abject poverty? World-wide, not just the US, these women have more children. I'd argue their miserable lives have but one possible way of great happiness: the hope of children. That their child may rise--- and perhaps someday be able to help the mother.

Hope. Hard-hearted to say, "NO hope for you. None. Accept your fate!"

 

"Matlock" reruns on every cable channel. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 14:19:17
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RE: Let's consider the case of Emma, a very poor woman. She comes from a broken home,, posted on March 7, 2021 at 14:21:44
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 My moms name wasn't Emma, but I am a product of what you describe. She did use birth control way before the pill. Both of my parents worked. There was no spectacular breadwinner. Birth control wasn't free back then. Somehow she managed to only have two kids. My mom was poor, but smart and responsible.

 

I'll let Jonathan Swift have the last word to you:, posted on March 7, 2021 at 14:37:54
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 "A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Children of Poor People from Being a Burthen to their Parents, or the Country, and for Making them Beneficial to the Publick." The tract is an ironically conceived attempt to "find out a fair, cheap, and easy Method" for converting the starving children of Ireland into "sound and useful members of the Commonwealth." Across the country poor children, predominantly Catholics, are living in squalor because their families are too poor to keep them fed and clothed.

The author argues, by hard-edged economic reasoning as well as from a self-righteous moral stance, for a way to turn this problem into its own solution. His proposal, in effect, is to fatten up these undernourished children and feed them to Ireland's rich land-owners. Children of the poor could be sold into a meat market at the age of one, he argues, thus combating overpopulation and unemployment, sparing families the expense of child-bearing while providing them with a little extra income, improving the culinary experience of the wealthy, and contributing to the overall economic well-being of the nation.: sparknotes.com

 

You must be smelling yourself then!... , posted on March 7, 2021 at 14:49:27
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RE: A rag named the New York Times. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 15:30:18
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Which just shows that you can Google and prove any point., posted on March 7, 2021 at 16:44:40
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 You just pick the one that shows what you want it to.

 

RE: 92,000 Americans over 100, now, and its one of the , posted on March 7, 2021 at 16:53:02
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 Future society will deal with this in one or more of the following ways:

a) Working longer. Raising the retirement age, which is a reasonable response to greater life expectancy and is probably the least impact to our lifestyle.

b) Expecting people to save more during their earning years, meaning proportionally less consumption and more savings in the economy, which will slow the rate of increase in our standard of living. This is functionally the same as increasing taxes and having the government do the savings.

c) Reducing the government's share of the cost burden for retirement by reducing Medicare and SS benefits. For people who haven't saved enough, it will be up to their family to take of them. Macroeconomic consequences will be similar to (b) but impacts will be more variable.

d) Opening the door wider to immigration, to maintain the current rate of population growth. This strategy is basically kicking the can down the road. It has the least impact to our lifestyle in the near term but it's not globally sustainable in the long term.

 

I'm glad my mom didn't sell me for the meat on my bones., posted on March 7, 2021 at 16:57:52
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 You are getting way out there. You are making nothing that you or I have any control of into something that is really something. You also don't seem to mind going backward in history, when we were going forward and to another place and time.

If you have a solution or idea state it. You don't have one.

 

Poor and irresponsible don't necessarily go together., posted on March 7, 2021 at 17:20:07
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 There are poor people who are definitely not irresponsible. I was raised by some of those people. Acting irresponsibly can be a cause poverty. Irresponsibility is often caused by stupidity and so far there isn't a cure for that.

 

I was NEVER an Andy Griffith fan... but I NEVER missed an episode of the first season of Matlock...., posted on March 7, 2021 at 17:25:58
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Only because I've been in love with Linda Purl ever since I was a teenager and I saw her in some TV movie of the week. I've seen her on the musical stage a few times and caught her cabaret shows a few times as well...She's still sexy even in her later years!

 

RE: Infant mortality is higher among the poor, WAY higher. nt, posted on March 7, 2021 at 17:42:03
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 Yes and some of them are born addicted to crack or heroin. Who is responsible for that? Is it you? It's not me. Please share your solutions to the problems rather than crying about things out of our control. Do you think that the government should fix it? Good luck with that.

 

But then there are the 'Pull up your Bootstraps' people .............., posted on March 7, 2021 at 17:53:40
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 that claim they were poor and dug themselves out of poverty, and blame the poor for not being able to do it............

You have heard this tiresome phrase, right?



 

How about e) Tax the Rich?!!, posted on March 7, 2021 at 20:49:59
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 Just kidding. You hit the one out of the park.

Longevity is a major issue. Back in the day, fewer people reached 65 and most passed away within a few years if the did. When my Mom was young, her mother and father lived modestly and her grand parent lived with them. Her grandma did the cooking and took care of my mom while her mom and dad worked. I still remember my great-grandpa living with my grandma until he passed away. Now, we expect SS and Medicare do the job for an extra 20 years.

So we need to import workers to fund SS and Medicare, but what will they do. How many fast food workers do we need if we have automation? You need three workers to support 1 retiree or maybe more. What's the current ratio?

Andrew Wang sees that problem.


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"If you have a solution or idea state it. You don't have one."... give him time... , posted on March 7, 2021 at 22:49:32
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 He's probably still trying to reconcile hcman's initial post with barking up the wrong tree.


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RE: Poor and irresponsible don't necessarily go together., posted on March 8, 2021 at 03:46:06
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 I tend to agree. There are plenty of irresponsible wealthy people. However, with a few exceptions (fatal drug overdose, car crash, etc.), they can buy their way out of the consequences.

Poverty and irresponsibility are related, but not directly correlated. Irresponsible behavior certainly can result in poverty. I won't bore you with the (extensive) list of celebrities, professional athletes, lottery-winners, that have pissed-away millions and ended-up broke.

OTOH, there are plenty of responsible poor people. They go to work, try to provide for themselves and their families, but lack the skills/education to get very far up the socio-economic ladder.

I am one of "those bootstrapper guys" mentioned (negatively) in this thread. You can't "win" if you don't "play to win"--TRY. If you don't try, you won't advance. I may be a bit of a "pie-in-the-sky" optimist, but, anything is possible.

My finish-carpenter (my age) has an 8th-grade education, but he is a craftsman--scratch that--artist. He makes over $250K/annually, and has raised and put 4 kids through college.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

I, uh, have actually never seen an episode of "Matlock.", posted on March 8, 2021 at 03:57:05
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 My late stepfather liked the show in his later years and it's a running joke on The Simpsons, how Grandpa Simpson wants his Matlock.
My favorite anything with Andy Griffith in it is A Face in the Crowd.



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I have heard about those people., posted on March 8, 2021 at 05:50:17
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 Arrogant misguided bastards. They were born with a certain amount of intelligence and drive. Those attributes are their bootstraps. Everyone doesn't have the bootstraps, so everyone can't do it. Then there is the large pool of people who have one of the straps but are missing the other.

 

First of all, pull on your bootstraps, you'll fall on your face., posted on March 8, 2021 at 06:21:16
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 Thing is if everybody is Steve Jobs or Jeff Bezos then the value of what Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos produce goes down.
You can't have a world where every single person is a successful educated entrepreneur. It can't happen.
Also, there are a hell of a lot of hard working people who end up in the shit not because they were on drugs or booze, or because they made babies when they were still in high school. No, it happened because some venture capital firm bought the business they worked for and hollowed it out, drove it into the ground.
That's why we need a robust economic safety net. If we're gonna have laissez-faire we need something to deal with the fall out.



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Right on target. nt. , posted on March 8, 2021 at 06:42:23
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RE: Which just shows that you can Google and prove any point., posted on March 8, 2021 at 06:47:20
Inmate51
 Births are one thing, pregnancies are another. I'd be more interested in a chart which shows pregnancies per 1,000 women, by income level.

 

RE: First of all, pull on your bootstraps, you'll fall on your face., posted on March 8, 2021 at 07:39:10
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 You don't have to be a Bezos or Jobs. There are people who have meager to moderate success and are self sufficient and comfortable in retirement who are far from billionaires.

 

But first of all, our culture teaches us that isn't good enough..., posted on March 8, 2021 at 08:09:21
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 second of all, even folks who are happy with moderate success get screwed by the economy through no fault of their own. There has to be a safety net with far fewer holes in it than ours. In some states, the goal of the unemployment system is to keep people from applying for benefits.
And we tax those benefits as if they were earned income even though they aren't.
If we're going to treat the creative destruction of capitalism as a national religion, then we have to protect hard working people from the depredations of the marketplace. Telling people, what, you need health insurance and you lost your job/have kids in college/have a mortgage that's nearly paid off, you worked your tail off, took pride in your job, and KKR came along and bought the business, so tough titty for you...that just ain't good enough.
And you notice, even socialists like me aren't talking about getting rid of capitalism. We just want to protect people from free markets.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: First of all, pull on your bootstraps, you'll fall on your face., posted on March 8, 2021 at 08:33:23
Inmate51
 "Also, there are a hell of a lot of hard working people who end up in the shit not because they were on drugs or booze, or because they made babies when they were still in high school. No, it happened because some venture capital firm bought the business they worked for and hollowed it out, drove it into the ground.
That's why we need a robust economic safety net. If we're gonna have laissez-faire we need something to deal with the fall out."

That all sounds good in theory, but it's not reality. Let's begin with the obvious fallacy:

"it happened because some venture capital firm bought the business they worked for and hollowed it out, drove it into the ground."

No, there are NOT a "hell of a lot of hard working people" who are out of jobs because of that. A "venture capital firm" INVESTS, with the goal of making money on that investment. That's why they're called "VENTURE CAPITAL" firms - they put up the money to help a business get going or to grow. It would not surprise me at all to read of venture capital investments which didn't work out and the investors lost money. If you can cite some examples of where they've intentionally "hollowed it out" and "drove it into the ground", thus LOSING money, I'd be interested in reading about them.

"That's why we need a robust economic safety net."

We HAVE a robust economic safety net. Ever-increasing welfare programs, ever-increasing public housing, ever-increasing unemployment benefits, etc. Clearly, they don't work, because they're... "ever-increasing", and the problem doesn't go away. What DOES work is lower taxes, smaller government, less regulations, etc., to take the burden of government off individuals and businesses, thus helping to encourage a robust economy. Witness the booming economy until Covid-19 hit. Record low unemployment, near-record low mortgage interest rates, low tax rates, rising stock values, etc., etc.

Don't even get me started on "Social Security". (Or, for government employees, FERS and it's incarnations.) First, people are forced to give up their money to the government (just try not to!), THEN, when we finally start getting it back at some ho-hum rate of gain (if we live long enough), we have to pay taxes on it AGAIN!

 

What do you think contradicts my point in your graph? nt, posted on March 8, 2021 at 10:00:05
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Poor don't get one legal break, either. Once they have a record, game, posted on March 8, 2021 at 11:17:12
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 over, pretty much, with employment.
How many middle-class kids got away with pot smoking, commonly? Meanwhile, in the ghettos, that was a sure ticket to beginning a hard life.

 

Separated women are 3 times more likely to end up poor. Know why?, posted on March 8, 2021 at 11:20:40
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 They get the kids--- and the prevalence of dea-beat dads.

 

Separated women are 3 times more likely to end up poor than men. Know why?, posted on March 8, 2021 at 11:21:28
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 They get the kids--- and the prevalence of dea-beat dads.

 

I was raised by a single mom., posted on March 8, 2021 at 11:33:11
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 We were poor. I don't need a link about it. I'm not sure who you are preaching to.

 

Can you read the graph?, posted on March 8, 2021 at 11:41:28
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 It shows as peoples income increases, they have less kids the opposite of what you said. BTW, I'm done with this subject.

 

RE: Separated women are 3 times more likely to end up poor than men. Know why?, posted on March 8, 2021 at 13:22:16
Inmate51
 If they can't support the kids, maybe they shouldn't get the kids?

Just a thought.

 

Nonsensical. We didn't have control when you began arguing. nt, posted on March 8, 2021 at 13:55:46
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Can you read English? I never stated any such rubbish. nt, posted on March 8, 2021 at 13:56:48
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You'll pay the foster care costs? nt, posted on March 8, 2021 at 13:57:45
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So? LeBron can score 50 pts. if he wants and I can't. Your point? , posted on March 8, 2021 at 14:00:05
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 It isn't about you, is mine. Not everyone is as smart, faultless, and be honest, lucky as you. A serious illness out of your control would have screwed you like any other poor person.

 

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