Mask may provide more protection than vaccine

Well you know what they say ...., posted on September 17, 2020 at 00:42:50
JDK Audiophile Posts: 19667 Location: Sydney Joined: June 26, 2000	An ounce of prevention etc etc .... Trying to hide from entropy John K

RE: Well you know what they say ...., posted on September 17, 2020 at 01:56:45

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A mask and a few ng of Vitamin D in the bloodstream seem to be sufficient.

I since found a few more numbers of interest for Kenya (12 deaths per million) namely that blood tests by NGOs indicate that around 12.5% of the population may have been infected with SARS-CoV2 and from previous studies that the mean Vitamin D blood level of the population is 65.5ng/ml.
The rate of reporting symptoms and being tested specifically is very low due to draconian measures enforced by the government that is to say everybody who tests positive will be kept in quarantine camps and charged US$20 per day for that pleasure. That is a large amount of money there and would mean that those people would lose any life savings they may have had.

The only people much below 65ng/ml were those suffering from diabetes.

Also note that ALL the known risk factors for Cov19 like diabetes, old age, obesity, hypertension and being darker skinned while living in Europe or North America are directly linked ie either causing or being caused by low Vitamin D blood levels.

ONLY IF USED PROPERLY!, posted on September 17, 2020 at 05:03:06
Story Audiophile Posts: 10453 Location: NJ Joined: December 11, 2000	sorry for the caps, but you also gotta treat things with a Sterile Technique like a surgeon or working in a dangerous Lab. Gloves, masks, washing, everything. I don't care if it's a hoax or super dangerous, I wanna live and am not taking any chances until vaccinated. Here in USA you have a choice, so choose wisely.

He's walking' it back now, a bit. nt, posted on September 17, 2020 at 05:07:27
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I prefer two fingers.... nt, posted on September 17, 2020 at 05:08:24
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RE: Mask may provide more protection than vaccine, posted on September 17, 2020 at 08:41:26
immatthewj	Have we all given up on disinfectant injections?

Yeah, becuase 'someone' orderd a major walkback..., posted on September 17, 2020 at 12:25:35
Ivan303 Audiophile Posts: 48887 Location: Cadiere d'azur FRANCE - Santa Fe, NM Joined: February 26, 2001	But he may well be right as the vaccine may only be 50% effective and maybe 'everyone' wearing a mask beats that. First they came for the dumb-asses And I did not speak out Because I was not a dumb-ass

And UV enemas?, posted on September 17, 2020 at 12:27:22
Ivan303 Audiophile Posts: 48887 Location: Cadiere d'azur FRANCE - Santa Fe, NM Joined: February 26, 2001	Or was that UV suppositories? Hard to remember. First they came for the dumb-asses And I did not speak out Because I was not a dumb-ass

RE: Yeah, becuase 'someone' orderd a major walkback..., posted on September 17, 2020 at 12:31:15
rivervalley817	hope so ... herd mentality requires at least 65% infections, which is about 2.6MM dead people with a 2.95% fatality rate goddamned math

You first!, posted on September 17, 2020 at 13:25:58
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RE: Mask may provide more protection than vaccine, posted on September 17, 2020 at 15:49:52
Inmate51	Maybe the Harris administration will sort that out, along with additional taxpayer funding for dementia.

RE: Mask may provide more protection than vaccine, posted on September 17, 2020 at 15:56:42
immatthewj	With all the money that The Trump family Crime Foundation has diverted in their slush fund, why can't Dementia Donnie pay for his Alzheimer's treatments?

I beleive it., posted on September 17, 2020 at 17:29:57
srdavis2000 Audiophile Posts: 10707 Location: Deep South Joined: January 11, 2003 Contributor Since: December 16, 2004	Since our statewide mask mandate went into effect, our cases have dropped off significantly. That's all the evidence I need.

Its not that bad. , posted on September 17, 2020 at 17:37:04
srdavis2000 Audiophile Posts: 10707 Location: Deep South Joined: January 11, 2003 Contributor Since: December 16, 2004	All you have to do is wear a cloth mask, stay away from anyone not wearing one, and try to keep your distance in general.

I get updates from Rwanda., posted on September 17, 2020 at 17:56:41

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They have low numbers I believe due to few tests being administered only to sick people who make it to medical help. Most sick people live in rural areas, get sick from whatever and either live or die.

Vitamin D? Many families eat one meal (dinner) every other day. Average income is $4 US equivalent per day. Do you think they are taking vitamins? It's cheaper to pay people to pull weeds than to use a weed killer. It's cheaper to hire women to wash clothes than to buy and operate a washing machine. That and the power will go out in the middle of a wash cycle anyway (possibly more than once).

I wouldn't believe much I read coming out of most places in Africa. There are large metropolitan areas where medical services might be okay, but the surrounding areas, not so much.

RE: Well you know what they say ...., posted on September 17, 2020 at 19:19:52
bjh Audiophile Posts: 18614 Location: Ontario Joined: November 22, 2003	obesity is also linked to Vitamin D deficiency , a double whammy!

RE: Well you know what they say ...., posted on September 17, 2020 at 19:33:48
immatthewj	Hypercalcemia has been linked to Vitamin D toxicity, including but not limited to: kidney stones, nausea/vomiting & constipation, a decline in level of consciousness, & in severe instances--arrhythmias. Worth noting that Vitamin D is fat soluble.

RE: Well you know what they say ...., posted on September 17, 2020 at 20:41:08
rivervalley817	damn ... sounds like the disclaimers after every pharma add that gets puked up 200X a day on cable I wonder which is true, the before or after?

RE: Well you know what they say ...., posted on September 17, 2020 at 21:17:57

immatthewj

A few years ago (I'm not sure how many, but it was before 2016) my lab work came back from the VA showing that my vit D level was low. I bought some Vitamin D gummies at Walmart & they tasted so good that I couldn't stop nibbling on them. I was feeling kind of bad for a little while after I finished the bottle off. Since that yearly physical, my serum results have never again indicated low Vitamin D. Still, it is worth noting that Vitamin D does build up & hang around in the fat cells, & although I apparently didn't suffer any long lasting ill effects from my blatant misuse of the supplement, the potential does exist.

RE: Mask may provide more protection than vaccine, posted on September 17, 2020 at 21:27:00
fantja Audiophile Posts: 15519 Location: Alabama Joined: September 11, 2010	I will go with natural supplements and healthy diet choices over a vaccine.

RE: Well you know what they say ...., posted on September 17, 2020 at 21:27:24

immatthewj

Hmmmmm, that's interesting, my last lab results don't seem to include serum Vitamin D level or anything that looks like it would be AKA Vitamin D.

Maybe the VA decided to cure me of Vitamin D deficiency the same way Donnie is curing the nation of COVID--stop the testing.

I am due up at the VA again in December; I'll ask them about it then. Assuming that I live that long--knock wood.

RE: Mask may provide more protection than vaccine, posted on September 17, 2020 at 21:29:53
immatthewj	I'm not completely sure how confident I am in the vaccine yet, but I'd probably go that way as opposed to a disinfectant injection.

RE: Well you know what they say ...., posted on September 18, 2020 at 02:52:46
b.l.zeebub Audiophile Posts: 9361 Location: 52deg 28'N,1deg56'W Joined: April 17, 2006	Yes but you have to take a lot of Vitamin D (>10000International Units daily) for a prolonged time. Taking anything up to 4000IU daily is perfectly fine.

"Do you think they are taking vitamins? ", posted on September 18, 2020 at 03:02:40

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Don't be wilfully stupid.

Kenyans don't take Vit D either but a lot of daily life happens outdoors and they average 7+ hours of sunshine daily all year.

All numbers I posted came from reliable sources ie not the Kenyan government but international research groups like Oxford University and others.

But I said all that in my post you just chose to ignore it.

Besides there is also Norway. No mask wearing, no social distancing, very short lockdown but a national habit of taking a spoonful of cod liver oil daily which contains around 1300IU of Vit D. Deaths per million 49.

RE: Its not that bad. , posted on September 18, 2020 at 03:29:03

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That's not 'Proper' technique. My wife and I take no chances. I have 2 Doctors in the family, my wife has nursing experience, and I have a Laboratory degree. I was one of those people you see on TV testing and processing Lab samples.

I am also not paranoid, I don't wear a mask outside - only when shopping. I value life more than the 'pains' of wearing a mask.

Being sick in a hospital is life changing whether you survive or not, and it's not pleasant to learn that the hard way.

RE: Yeah, because 'someone' orderd a major walkback..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 05:43:49

Inmate51

A vaccine which is only 50 percent effective probably won't make it into production, since the minimum goal that "everyone" is looking for is 75 percent.

With regard to the disagreement between Trump and Redfield, they're both right. Trump is talking about "available", which is expected before the end of the year. Redfield is talking about "widely available", which is a production issue, and will take more time.

Pfizer/BioNtech hope to produce 100 million doses of one of their vaccine candidates, currently in late stage trials, by the end of the year, assuming government approval. Producing more takes more time (duh). THIS is where the "disagreement" lies. So, it's really not so much a disagreement as it is more about the difference between "available" and "widely available". The pharmaceutical companies themselves are already ramping up for production. In one move, BioNtech is purchasing a production facility from Novartis and is hiring about 300 Novartis employees to staff it. Many things are happening quickly and right now, but the media doesn't talk about it.

The "mainstream" media of course is playing up the Trump/Redfield disagreement, largely because they hate President Trump - he's not a Liberal or Leftie. Just this morning, CBS ran a story titled "Vaccine Showdown". While they did use the adjective "widely", they still played up the disagreement. I'm tellin' ya, they're sly in how they slant things. A person practically has to parse every word the media utters, and pay attention to the tone of voice.

RE: Yeah, because 'someone' orderd a major walkback..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 08:32:17
immatthewj	That's it. You've convinced me. Sign me up for some of those disinfectant injections that Fat Donnie has been cooking up.

Sure sounds like a disagreement to me...parsed or not..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 08:39:37

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From readily available on-line resources:

"made a mistake"

"confused"

"very rapidly."

"under no circumstance will it be as late as the doctor said."

"We are on track to deliver and distribute the vaccine in a very very safe and effective manner. And we think we can start sometime in October."

Nowhere is there any clarification of the terms "available" and "widely available". Supporters interpret his statements into what he should have said or what they hoped he was going to say while ignoring what he actually said.

RE: Sure sounds like a disagreement to me...parsed or not..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 09:01:27
immatthewj	Watching & listening to Lying Donnie reminds me of reruns of "The Office" on Comedy Central.

RE: Yeah, because 'someone' orderd a major walkback..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 09:06:50
rivervalley817	'The "mainstream" media of course is playing up the Trump/Redfield disagreement, largely because they hate President Trump - he's not a Liberal or Leftie.' "Just fyi, I don't start political stuff, but I'm happy to reply to it. :) ....... Posted by Inmate51 on 2020-09-02, 14:22:05 (47.188.188.111)" oops, caught in the act again

RE: Its not that bad. , posted on September 18, 2020 at 09:25:29
immatthewj	I took a look in my "Hand Book of Labrotory & Diagnostic Tests" (from 2005, if that makes a difference) & I cannot even find Vitamin D listed in the index.

RE: Yeah, because 'someone' orderd a major walkback..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 09:27:53
Inmate51	Not so fast, Trump hater. Who wrote this in this thread: "With all the money that The Trump family Crime Foundation has diverted in their slush fund, why can't Dementia Donnie pay for his Alzheimer's treatments?"

RE: Yeah, because 'someone' orderd a major walkback..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 09:50:34
rivervalley817	'Who wrote this in this thread' you just did ...

RE: Yeah, because 'someone' ordered a major walkback..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 10:02:27
Inmate51	Maybe you missed this post: https://www.audioasylum.com/members/mgeneral/messages/37/379436.html

RE: Yeah, because 'someone' ordered a major walkback..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 10:07:16
rivervalley817	'deflector shields up! "Just fyi, I don't start political stuff, but I'm happy to reply to it. :) ....... Posted by Inmate51 on 2020-09-02, 14:22:05 (47.188.188.111)" oops, caught in the act again!

RE: Its not that bad. , posted on September 18, 2020 at 10:15:14
rivervalley817	Davis's?

RE: Yeah, because 'someone' orderd a major walkback..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 10:36:52
immatthewj	Oh, but "not so fast," who wrote this in the thread? "Maybe the Harris administration will sort that out, along with additional taxpayer funding for dementia." I'll give you 51 guesses.

RE: Yeah, because 'someone' orderd a major walkback..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 10:47:23
Inmate51	"Have we all given up on disinfectant injections?" Btw, it was Camali Harris who said "Harris administration". Oops, she let it out!

RE: Yeah, because 'someone' orderd a major walkback..., posted on September 18, 2020 at 14:31:44
immatthewj	"Have we all given up on disinfectant injections?" Unlike Lying Donnie, I cannot tell a lie--I typed the above question. 51, you may have a valid point with that one. In the abbreviated time I've participated on this forum, that's the second (possibly) valid point I've seen you make.

Work on getting her name correct - she's going to be around a long time and..., posted on September 19, 2020 at 12:11:20
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Caught in the act again..., posted on September 19, 2020 at 12:13:16
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RE: Work on getting her name correct - she's going to be around a long time and..., posted on September 19, 2020 at 12:39:33

Inmate51

"Work on getting her name correct - she's going to be around a long time"

Hopefully not. But, yeah, Dementia Joe will retire soon, with a taxpayer pension, if he even makes it to election day.

Quote: "a Harris administration".

RE: Mask may provide more protection than vaccine, posted on September 19, 2020 at 14:05:56
tweaker456 Audiophile Posts: 7740 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: June 20, 2020	Maybe then you could get the help you need 51. So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late -- Robert Allen Zimmerman

RE: Its not that bad. , posted on September 19, 2020 at 14:11:21
tweaker456 Audiophile Posts: 7740 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: June 20, 2020	It called 25(OH) Vitamin D test. So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late -- Robert Allen Zimmerman

RE: Work on getting her name correct - she's going to be around a long time and..., posted on September 19, 2020 at 14:13:07
tweaker456 Audiophile Posts: 7740 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: June 20, 2020	Sure glad you're boy never makes a mistake 51. So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late -- Robert Allen Zimmerman

"you're boy", posted on September 19, 2020 at 19:55:51
Inmate51	Hmmm.

RE: Work on getting her name correct - she's going to be around a long time and..., posted on September 19, 2020 at 20:52:38

immatthewj

LOL! It was Dementia Donnie who was rambling incoherently about UV enemas & disinfectant injections. Eyes were rolling within the RNC. You know that someone got fired for not giving Donnie his Alzheimer's meds that day.

"The disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. As you see it gets in the lungs!"

"Well . . . we're hearing tremendous things about light here . . . and if we can get the light inside like rays of sunshine maybe, I think really great things are gonna happen!"

RE: Work on getting her name correct - she's going to be around a long time and..., posted on September 19, 2020 at 21:29:05
Inmate51	Dementia Joe will retire soon, with a taxpayer pension, if he even makes it to election day. Quote: "a Harris administration". Camali Harris

RE: Work on getting her name correct - she's going to be around a long time and..., posted on September 19, 2020 at 21:31:08

immatthewj

That's amusing coming from the party COVFEFE & windmill induced cancer & IV disinfectant injections. Is Dementia Donnie still planning to take over the airports like the army did in The Revolutionary War?

Donnie thought we could prevent forest fires by raking the forest, stop hurricanes by nuking them, put out the fire in Notre Dame by water bombing it--and now he wants us to be injected with Clorox!

RE: Dementia Joe??..., posted on November 14, 2020 at 13:11:34

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Can't you show some r e s p c t, 51?

So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

List of donnie's insults

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