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I will ask this question ONE LAST TIME...

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Posted on June 6, 2020 at 04:57:48
dark_dave56
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 ...and please provide an OBJECTIVE, relevant response.

What's up with Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo? Why has he not resigned, been asked to resign, or fired? Is it just because he is black?

He joined the force in 1989 as a patrol officer, and has subsequently been promoted to Chief of Police. Along the way, he was involved in a civil suit against the dept. in 2007 for racial discrimination. In 2012 he was placed in charge of the dept's Internal Affairs Unit--responsible for investigating incidents of officer misconduct, before being promoted to Chief of Police in 2017.

How can he NOT be held even remotely accountable for this incident? It's not like he joined the force just last year and inherited this systemic problem? His 30+ year career with the force says otherwise.

Why is he still on the job?


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

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Why don't you call the Minneapolis city council and demand an answer. nt, posted on June 6, 2020 at 06:10:19
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 nt


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Homer Simpson

 

the simple answer? he's protected.......................nt, posted on June 6, 2020 at 06:20:56
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 nt

 

+1 (nt), posted on June 6, 2020 at 07:31:49
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 NT

 

RE: I will ask this question ONE LAST TIME..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 07:52:52
Inmate51
 You need look no further than the city council and mayor.

 

"HOW DO I TURN OFF CAPS LOCK?", posted on June 6, 2020 at 08:08:22
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 never mind.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Stupidity seems to be rampant among the Mayors of large cities...., posted on June 6, 2020 at 08:08:50
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 our own idiot is trying to walk back his "killer" comments while protesters, police and outraged citizens are calling for his resignation...

 

hmm..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 08:25:33
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 It seems to me he has been obstructed at every turn by his own officers, one in particular.

 

RE: I will ask this question ONE LAST TIME..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 09:09:48
rivervalley817
 were you to research the records of the members of the their FOP local and department brass you would find that the majority have been involved in shootings ... another data point for your consideration

take it for what it's worth but there's a culture within every department behind the blue line


be well,

 

Odd how those who hate teacher's unions..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 09:10:45
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 and unions in general seem to be in love police unions.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

"Why has he not resigned, been asked to resign, or fired? Is it just because he is black?"....., posted on June 6, 2020 at 09:13:04
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 No, but the reason you want him fired is.



 

Don't lump me in that category..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 10:02:09
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 ...the police unions are the ones arguing to keep these rogue cops on the force--and I have no use for that, nor unions, in general.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: "HOW DO I TURN OFF CAPS LOCK?", posted on June 6, 2020 at 10:10:08
rivervalley817
 the underground version of Mavis Beacon states the pinky should be removed

it's a harsh solution for harsh people

regards,


 

I'm sorry--you missed the word OBJECTIVE..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 10:10:32
dark_dave56
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 ...police chiefs in other cities have recently been terminated, or resigned for far lesser "issues" than an officer under their direct command murdering a suspect in the street. The simple fact that an officer with as many complaints/disciplinary actions as Chauvin is still on the force (and a trainer, at that) clearly indicates a lack of leadership, or gross incompetence. Especially with respect to a police chief that spent the previous 5 years of his career allegedly investigating "bad" cops as head of the Internal Affairs Unit.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: Unions, for me, are like a Free Press...-, posted on June 6, 2020 at 10:14:00
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 ... I would much rather have them there, even with all of their imperfections, than not there at all. Nothing is perfect; you have to look at the big picture, something that many do not do.

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Then refer to this..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 10:16:04
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 Full article linked, but relevant excerpt below:

"We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department," Jeremiah Ellison, a member of the City Council, said on Twitter this week. "And when we're done, we're not simply gonna glue it back together," he added. "We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response."

At least three others, including the City Council president, Lisa Bender, have also called for taking the Police Department apart.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: Don't lump me in that category..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 10:19:12
rivervalley817
 unions helped to build the middle class in this country

unions are in decline, nearly gone

the middle class is in decline, also going extinct

do you ever wonder if there just might possibly be any connection?

maybe an outside chance, even statistically speaking?

with regards,


 

RE: I'm sorry--you missed the word OBJECTIVE..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 10:38:58
rivervalley817
 *raises hand*

we're all looking at what are clearly internal matters on this issue from the outside. objectivity aside, from that vantage it's easy to get too far into the weeds on this stuff, especially when it's 'fresh'

this will play out as it will no matter what 'we' think

with regards,

 

RE: Glad to know The Trout has excellent reflexes *, posted on June 6, 2020 at 11:01:50
B. Scarpia

 

RE: "Why has he not resigned, been asked to resign, or fired? Is it just because he is black?"....., posted on June 6, 2020 at 11:06:51
rivervalley817
 that is not my impression of the posters mindset

not on a conscious level anyway

not that I'm an arbiter or anything

with regards,

 

Maybe you have been warching too much TV., posted on June 6, 2020 at 11:35:14
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 My son is a sergeant with the State Police. I think that he has been a cop 8 years or so. He hasn't shot anyone or been involved when anyone else did. Shootings are rarer than you might think.

I watch Blue Bloods. Danny shoots someone every other day. It's entertaining, but the real experience is fairly rare.

 

Too easy and not enough attention here..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 11:38:10
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 where no one has the answer but it's something to shoot the shit about.

"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure



 

Try watching Chicago PD..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 11:48:59
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 ...they shoot someone every day--and like to use assault rifles at every opportunity. Everyone is "dirty" to some extent, in the name of "good".


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

What channel is that on?... N/T, posted on June 6, 2020 at 12:05:51
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Research, posted on June 6, 2020 at 12:22:33
Inmate51
 Sounds like you've already done the research. Where'd you get that data?

 

It seems like all of them lately..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 13:00:13
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 ION, USA, Oxygen, Pop--it's yet another Dick Wolf (Law & Order) series in syndication--can't remember what network it was on originally.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: Don't lump me in that category..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 13:52:28
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First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Research, posted on June 6, 2020 at 15:34:47
rivervalley817
 there's a technique used in 'spin' known as 'slaughter the source'

I could point you towards it, but any bias would render it either moot or generate 'high fives' depending on your motivation for even looking at it ... you see this around you all the time here and IRL

so, no spin, if you're really interested explore this independently

you'll fell better about your conclusions being your own

be well,


 

RE: Maybe you have been warching too much TV., posted on June 6, 2020 at 15:49:41
rivervalley817
 the records of the officers of their FOP local and department brass haven't been on TV Mr. Davis. you can ascertain the veracity of my comment or discount it as you will

I do not watch any procedural drama on TV. however, my father was a police chief, my uncle was a judge, my step-son is currently an officer, my cousin was an FBI agent, and another an IRS investigator, and many others in the clan are, or were fire fighters and paramedics

besides family, I've had many friends in law enforcement [still do] and I have received similar training in the civilian sphere

that said, we weren't talking about you and I were we

with regards,




 

RE: Unions, for me, are like a Free Press...-, posted on June 6, 2020 at 15:51:40
rivervalley817
 and KUDO's to you sir!

regards,


 

RE: Too easy and not enough attention here..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 15:54:22
Inmate51
 A much better solution is to riot, burn the cars of uninvolved people, smash the windows of uninvolved businesses, loot/steal the merchandise of uninvolved businesses, kill uninvolved people, deface national monuments with graffiti, cause a full riot alert at the White House, ...

In short, do everything possible EXCEPT to place the blame where it belongs: The so-called leadership of the City of Minneapolis.

 

Good -nt, posted on June 6, 2020 at 16:06:45
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RE: Too easy and not enough attention here..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 16:13:46
rivervalley817
 how did Musetap's comment place anything anywhere?

he did however make a point that you flounced in and proved

you're more than a little high strung there greenhorn

easily triggered, outrage in search of an out

maybe switch to de-caff?

be well,


 

RE: Maybe you have been warching too much TV., posted on June 6, 2020 at 17:37:49
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 Frankly, I don't know what you are talking about much of the time, but if factual, your families experience trumps my lone son. No discussion on your part of these family members shooting people, but by the shear numbers, they must have shot more people than my son. You win.

 

RE: Good -nt, posted on June 6, 2020 at 17:52:58
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 Excellent

 

RE: I will ask this question ONE LAST TIME..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 17:58:53
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 Promise?

 

Betting not..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 18:07:48
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 ALL CAPS is the first clue.

We ain't done here.


First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Too easy and not enough attention here..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 18:15:25
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I know how the hell should we know why the police chief wasn't fired? He just wants us to agree it's because he is black. Typical racist BS.




"Trying is the first step towards failure."
Homer Simpson

 

I don't remember the first time you asked it. Oh well. nt, posted on June 6, 2020 at 18:17:54
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 nt


"Trying is the first step towards failure."
Homer Simpson

 

This will escape you, posted on June 6, 2020 at 18:29:43
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 But those were unions of employees of private companies, not employees of the public, who FDR said would never be allowed to unionize. The absurdity of employees sitting on both sides of the bargaining table and now outnumbering their employers escapes you, of course.

 

Another red herring?, posted on June 6, 2020 at 18:31:14
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 Or whatever the appropriate expression is. Most of us who hate unions of public employees hate unions of public employees, whatever the job.

 

You really think that's a better idea? Been hanging out with your idiot neighbors again?...N/T, posted on June 6, 2020 at 22:50:13
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 aa
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Not all union teacher's are public school teachers... , posted on June 6, 2020 at 23:38:38
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 but since you think teachers are overpaid, that likely wouldn't cross your mind.


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Excellent!..., posted on June 7, 2020 at 02:05:04
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 ...that is the most current and correct recipe. Pretty clearly defines the current purpose of unions and the reason that I dislike them so much.

At one point they fought for fair wages/benefits, and worker safety. Now all they do is protect the worthless and fund their own greed and corruption. Union management is as bad as the evil corporate management that they supposedly protect their members from. Most of the last two generations of my family were all members, and the few that are still living just laugh about the retirement packages they have, because no future employee in any industry will ever see the kind of benefits that they receive--they know they bled their employers dry. They knew it was virtually impossible to get fired--ever, and the longer you hung around, the less you had to do, to earn more $$$--automatically, with every new contract and year of service. Once you became a "short-timer", approaching retirement, all you had to do was show-up, at least a few days a week. They sit back and laugh--all the way to the bank.




"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

OK--so why is he not fired?, posted on June 7, 2020 at 02:32:23
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 ...he has a 30+ year career with the force--check. He has brought race-relations/discrimination issues to light via a civil lawsuit against the force in 2007--check. In 2012 he was placed in charge of the Internal Affairs Unit to investigate officer misconduct--check. He was subsequently promoted to Chief of Police (2017), which places him in direct command of all officers on the force, and responsible for the training, conduct, and discipline of all officers under his command--check.

Under his command, with his extensive career experience, and awareness of racial issues between the force and the public, one of his officers murders a suspect in a public street in broad daylight--check.

AFAIK Chief of Police is not a union position, so he is not protected by the union.

So what is the justification for him remaining in his current position? That was my question--looking for an objective answer. I can't come up with one. I wasn't aware that gross incompetence was a desirable quality for a leadership position, or that total lack of accountability was just another "perk". And please don't delude yourself--if he were white, the protesters would have burned his house down by now, and be demanding charges filed against him, personally, as well as the officers involved.

Even the Minneapolis City Council is considering measures to totally dismantle the entire police department (refer to my post above).


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: You really think that's a better idea? Been hanging out with your idiot neighbors again?...N/T, posted on June 7, 2020 at 05:11:53
Inmate51
 Of course not. I'm just mentioning some of the terrible and tragic crimes people have been committing en masse in the name of "justice".

It's "sarcasm".

In truth, a much better solution would be for the people of Minneapolis to demand the entire city council, mayor and police chief to resign, and hold a special election to replace them.

Of course, that won't happen. Rather, members of the city council are promoting the idea of dismantling the police department and starting over with a new, kinder, gentler police department. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up!

 

Sorry I didn't bookmark it, but..., posted on June 7, 2020 at 05:59:05
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 ...just last night, I read an article containing an interview with one of the city council members (supporting the dissolution of the police force) that stated that she, as well as other council members, and the mayor, have been fiercely advocating police reform since the last major, publicized, police-killing in 2015, but that the police union "un-did" everything they proposed or achieved--including the termination/discipline of officers.

Essentially, she is saying that the police union in Minneapolis is more powerful than the entire city government--good to know!


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

Minneapolis "Leadership", posted on June 7, 2020 at 06:24:15
Inmate51
 It doesn't matter what they "say", it matters what they "do". Frankly, it's sadly hilarious that a leftwing city governance claims they can't do their job because they're at odds with a leftwing union. That's total bullshit designed for public consumption.

Hopefully, you looked up the Minneapolis city council make-up and the mayor's political affiliation, and connected the dots.

If not, you can start here: https://www.dfl.org/about/

 

Trust me--I did..., posted on June 7, 2020 at 06:38:16
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 ...Dems have controlled all aspects of Minneapolis city government for at least the past 6 decades. The particular council member that they interviewed for the article was a black woman (D) who has held office for a decade.

The police chief (that I so inappropriately question his competency) is a black 30-year veteran on the force.

Something is clearly wrong with Minneapolis, as a whole.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

RE: Maybe you have been warching too much TV., posted on June 7, 2020 at 08:49:38
rivervalley817
 'No discussion on your part of these family members'

'but if factual'

it's not good security policy to do so on the internet

'by the shear numbers, they must have shot more people'

the judge, paramedics, and firefighters have not shot anyone

there's nothing at stake & nothing to win

regards,


 

RE: This will escape you, posted on June 7, 2020 at 13:08:41
rivervalley817
 sorry I missed this before Pablo

'employees sitting on both sides of the bargaining table and now outnumbering their employers escapes you, of course'

I'm not sure of the 'why' in your condescending 'tone' but ...

my post addressed this: 'have no use for that, nor unions, in general'

I thought that was clear in the context

are you inferring that the FOP routinely sits on the employers side of a bargaining table? it's happened, but .... ?

nothing in Dave56's post escaped me, yours not so much

mainly due to it's [forgive me] rather awkward grammatical structure

please be so kind as to clarify

with regards,







 

A lack of supervision is a problem at all levels all over the country, but, posted on June 7, 2020 at 18:01:41
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 Have you ever heard of "Minnesota nice"? A long long time ago, I worked for a Minnesota company and advocated firing poor performers. People thought I was nuts.

There was a systemic lack of supervision in this case, of the police, the chief and the people who supervise the chief. Ultimately, the voters.

The problem with the police is the same as the problem with priests, ministers and Boy Scout leaders. The job attracts good applicants, of course, and applicants with the the wrong background and motives. The hiring process needs to weed out people who want to be a cop in order to carry a weapon and exercise dominance over others, and the supervisory procedures need to give managers the authority to fire those who abuse their authority, with zero tolerance. There is no retraining a racist or an abuser. Just cut him loose.

 

I think Iván was talking about public school teachers unions, posted on June 7, 2020 at 18:25:20
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 But I have no quarrel with unions of private school teachers, nor an opinion about their pay.

 

RE: A lack of supervision is a problem at all levels all over the country, but, posted on June 7, 2020 at 18:29:23
rivervalley817
 The problem with the police is that they don't police much anymore

it might even seem that with the modern practice of military hand me downs going to so many police forces, that militarization came with it

and yes to your point about command structure

the voter responsibility issue is pretty complex so where the buck stops isn't simple ... but where it doesn't speaks volumes

regards,


 

I COMPLETELY agree with you in theory. The problem...-, posted on June 7, 2020 at 18:31:05
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 ... comes in practice. Determining whether or not a given policeman or other LEO is abusive or racist is a highly subjective matter. Figuring out where that line gets crossed is going to be difficult. Not saying, though, that we shouldn't be trying.

Mark in NC
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You know how we have qualified immunity for cops who kill people in the line of duty, posted on June 7, 2020 at 18:40:43
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 so they don't get sued for a mistake, absent evil intent or really bad recklessness? Maybe we should give the same kind of immunity to their supervisors. An experienced police captain should be able to fire someone in his or her judgment in the interest of protecting the public.

And thank you for your thoughtful reply.

 

RE: A lack of supervision is a problem at all levels all over the country, but, posted on June 7, 2020 at 18:47:48
Inmate51
 "The hiring process needs to weed out people who want to be a cop in order to carry a weapon and exercise dominance over others, and the supervisory procedures need to give managers the authority to fire those who abuse their authority, with zero tolerance. There is no retraining a racist or an abuser. Just cut him loose."

Amen!

 

RE: You know how we have qualified immunity for cops who kill people in the line of duty, posted on June 7, 2020 at 19:08:42
rivervalley817
 I found this site ... interesting

[warning! afrophobia trigger]

no affiliation, just for your consideration

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

with regards X2,


 

RE: You know how we have qualified immunity for cops who kill people in the line of duty, posted on June 7, 2020 at 20:50:20
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 Seems like a valid option. And again, we at least have to try. As it's said, "the perfect is the enemy of the good".

Mark in NC
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"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon

 

That site appears well-thought-out and rational, at least. nt. , posted on June 7, 2020 at 20:57:34
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 Nt.
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"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon

 

RE: You know how we have qualified immunity for cops who kill people in the line of duty, posted on June 7, 2020 at 21:01:11
rivervalley817
 yes ... purity is for water

and single malt

scotch & water [back]

please post responsibly

[sorry for the digression]

with regards,

 

RE: That site appears well-thought-out and rational, at least. nt. , posted on June 7, 2020 at 21:03:42
rivervalley817
 we could use more rational that's for sure

with regards,


 

there is the same problem with bad teachers........., posted on June 8, 2020 at 13:46:13
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 you can't get rid of them because of the union. Or at least they make it really difficult.

Get rid of unions when the employees are paid by taxpayer money.

 

RE: there is the same problem with bad teachers........., posted on June 9, 2020 at 05:45:17
Inmate51
 "Get rid of unions when the employees are paid by taxpayer money. "

Excellent thought! And do-able.

And while we're at it, cut the number of administrative staff by half - we'll never miss 'em!

 

RE: there is the same problem with bad teachers........., posted on June 10, 2020 at 06:45:18
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Joined: October 5, 1999
 I've been saying it for decades. I've never understood unions when on the public dole. They should be accountable for performance as a professional career working stiff, just like I am in the private sector.

 

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