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Here's the impact...

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Posted on June 5, 2020 at 07:59:21
Dave B
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 After watching the violent riots and our nation of a million thieves loot merchandise... and lastly, kill innocent people... like Chris Beatty, 38 yr old football coach trying to save 2 people from muggers, Italia Kelly trying to leave a protest that had turned violent, David Dorn checking on a pawn shop shot by looters... and the list goes on.

Violent mobs from the worst in our society are pervasive. Anti government groups fomenting riots and pandemonium. They are all still out there in the shadows.

Then, we have dozens of cities defunding the police or going to replace the police with some other form of "public safety". Sure, that'll work.

I've signed up for my concealed carry permit. I'll get my permit and carry everywhere I can now. I'll also sign up for the CCP insurance, to defend me, in case I ever have to use it.

I've decided I'd rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6. This is the impact of George Floyd's unfortunate death on me. Police have been neutered, the lawless have been emboldened, so self-responsibility is to defend myself. We border on total anarchy. Happy now?

 

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RE: Here's the impact..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 08:30:30
rivervalley817
 Happy now?

who are you talking to Dave? where are you seeing 'happy'?

regards,


 

RE: Here's the impact..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 08:39:47
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 riv,
You're smarter and more perceptive than what your question implies.

 

RE: Here's the impact..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 08:42:21
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 I saw where some were calling for dismantling police departments. That would be a good way to get me to sell and move.

I got my CC permit a long time ago. It took like 6 months. I don't carry all of the time, but with the permit, I CAN carry when things get stupid like now. We have hurricanes on occasion, and when people evacuate, a certain element stays through the storm with the intent of breaking into empty homes. After Katrina, things got out of hand with looting stores and private residents.

 

RE: Here's the impact..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 08:48:11
rivervalley817
 thanks Dave ... I think.

btw, Gorman says hello and that you should check out the Outfit

http://theoutfit.rocks/

regards,




 

If you have nor already - self defense training, posted on June 5, 2020 at 09:48:11
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 A good curricula will include lots of situational awareness and decision making to avoid conflict and enough simulation to teach you that thinking in the moment of combat is really hard and must you be very well trained.
Gsquared

 

Yeah, that poor geezer in Buffalo should have been armed., posted on June 5, 2020 at 09:53:59
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 Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

 

RE: What I learned at the Pentagon in '67, posted on June 5, 2020 at 11:29:54
B. Scarpia
 If you're gong to confront, in that case, the 102nd Airborne, have Tits and offer them a flower.

 

so, this is where it gets weird..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 11:47:31
Dave B
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 I've been wondering who I know that has retired and/or moved to Wisconsin that has acreage. Todd A is the only person I know. When I met him, he lived in Gurnee and then moved to MN and then migrated to Wisky.

I am pretty sure, Todd doesn't know Gorman though.

I only met Mike once, that I can recall. It was at a mutual friend's house. And I would be shocked, absolutely shocked if he remembered my name. So, this tidbit of Gorman saying "Hello", is sounding fabricated.

So now, I need more clues to figure this out.

 

agreed..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 12:01:01
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 I'm familiar with it. I know that defusing a situation is the best option every time. I also know not to pull, unless I am committed to using it. Currently working on the center axis relock techniques.

 

The bad actors want you to believe that there are a million thieves....., posted on June 5, 2020 at 12:12:12
viridian
 ....and clearly you have bought into that on faith, or you have been counting for a while. IMHO, there are small, and diverse, groups that are responsible for the looting and destruction of property. But that does not allow anyone to paint a million people with that brush.

 

And statistically you will be more likely to be less safe and more likely to get into further trouble......nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 12:23:01
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RE: The bad actors want you to believe that there are a million thieves....., posted on June 5, 2020 at 12:24:09
Inmate51
 I took it as a figure of speech.

But whether it's a million or "just" thousands, destroying property and killing more people in the name of "justice" is wrong.

 

So that gives folks the right to make up numbers to support their theories?..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 12:34:53
viridian
 ...if it is a figure of speech it is an exaggeration that is meant to inflame at a time when we need a lot more light and a lot less heat from those that are making up statistics.

 

statistically, you're clueless....., posted on June 5, 2020 at 12:42:01
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 As a group, concealed carry permit holders are some of the most law-abiding people in the United States. The rate at which they commit crimes generally and firearm crimes specifically is between one-sixth and one-tenth of that recorded for police officers, who are themselves committing crimes at a fraction of the rate of the general population.

Between 2007 and 2015, murder rates dropped 16 percent and violent crime rates dropped 18 percent, even though the percentage of adults with concealed carry permits rose by 190 percent.

Regression estimates show a significant association between increased permit ownership and a drop in murder and violent crime rates. Each percentage point increase in rates of permit-holding is associated with a roughly 2.5 percent drop in the murder rate.

Concealed carry permit holders are often "the good guy with a gun," even though they rarely receive appropriate attention in the national media.

Concealed carry permit holders were credited with saving multiple lives in:
Rockledge, Florida (2017);
Antioch, Tennessee (2017);
Arlington, Texas (2017);
Lyman, South Carolina (2016);
Winton, Ohio (2015);
Conyers, Georgia (2015);
New Holland, South Carolina (2015);
Chicago, Illinois (2015);
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (2015);
Darby, Pennsylvania (2015);
Chicago, Illinois (2014);
Portland, Oregon (2014); and
Spartanburg, South Carolina (2012).

 

Now you did it ..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 12:48:03
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 Why did you have to go and dispel perfectly omnipresent myths with unpopular facts only to fall on deaf ears ???
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I'm surprised you didn't already have one..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 13:05:33
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 Happy? Doesn't matter if I am as long as you are.

It's your right, your responsibility, your life.



"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure



 

Well, let's look at some more facts..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 13:23:39
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 The largest urban areas in the USA have been run by Democrats, for DECADES. I think Baltimore goes back to the 1930's, Chicago 1931, San Francisco 1964, Detroit 1962, Houston 1982, St. Louis 1945, Boston goes way back and interesting, the last real Republican mayor of New York City was Giuliani from 1994 to 2001. Bloomberg doesn't count.

For the most part, Democratic run cities and states have the most strict gun control laws and the highest crime in America, especially violent crime. Giuliani was the exception, by changing police policy to "get tough" and "broken windows". He had an amazing turnaround in lowering crime in NYC to below the national level. Not now under Dem leadership.

NYC recent crime rates:
De Blasio crime is up more. Robberies, like the cell phone snatch, are up nearly 39% — from 943 last January to 1,290 last month. Shootings are up nearly 29% from 52 to 67. Transit crime is up nearly 30%, and car theft is up 72%. Burglaries are up more than 20% and larceny is up nearly 11%.

Now, with new calls for police reform, you have to ask yourself... what the hell have you Democrats been doing all these years??? Just now you think you need police reform? And you're going to make it more lax?? Defund police? You guys are nuts!

Every weekend in Chicago, there are 10-20 murders as a result of black on black violent confrontations. Where is Black Lives Matter????????? Don't they all matter?????????

HYPOCRITES!!!!!

 

Oh, I didn't say that it would never work out in your favor, However there are more bad results .............., posted on June 5, 2020 at 13:26:18
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 than favorable ones... Just having a gun in the home makes you or family members less safe.



 

Yeah, kinda like talking to women?. NT, posted on June 5, 2020 at 13:29:17
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RE: I'm surprised you didn't already have one..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 13:37:08
Dave B
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 I've been lazy about it. The state wants 16 hours of my time to do it. From what I've recently witnessed? Time to do it, so I can be legal.

I wonder how many criminals in my state go through the process so they can carry? Probably??????? ...-waddaya think??? ZERO? What a bunch of bullshit.

 

16 hours?..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 13:38:48
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 What's that, a week of posting here?

They are criminals, you figure it out.

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RE: Oh, I didn't say that it would never work out in your favor, However there are more bad results .............., posted on June 5, 2020 at 13:45:54
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 If you believe that, then you shouldn't have a gun. A lot of people shouldn't. It's a responsibility.

 

+1., posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:07:50
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 Well said. Thank you.


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Freak out...Far out...In out....

 

AKA Lea$ing one of your constitutional rights., posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:08:03
emailtim
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 What is your renewal and lease payment schedule ?

California is every 24 months if you happen to be politically connected or live in a shall issue county. If you happen to be late with your renewal application, you back to the end of the line, do not pass go, do not collect $200 and pay full pop all over again as if you never had one before.

Arizona is every 5 years at a fraction of the PRK's taxation.
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+1 again. , posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:13:21
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 This is unreal.

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Freak out...Far out...In out....

 

No one said the cost to be a good citizen was free... , posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:17:03
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 Besides, then our government (who you seem to despise) can now use those fees
to keep track of and compile information and figures YOU can then use to foment
about.

And foment you do.

"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure



 

It's called economic exclusion of constitutional rights., posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:26:12
emailtim
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 The game, as you know, don't play coy, is to price the 2nd Amendment out of reach of the average citizen.

That is something you should be able to glam onto. The financial restriction of personal protection to only the affluent. You know, armed personal body guards for the elite versus 911 and a rape whistle for everyone else.
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especially when you ignore little facts..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:28:10
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 like, bathtubs kill 4x more people than guns do in the home. In fact, it is very difficult to find some other object in the home that is safer than guns. LOL!!

But yeah! people love to believe fallacies.

 

RE: It's called economic exclusion of constitutional rights., posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:32:24
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 The thing about those types of laws and restrictions is... it is totally discriminatory to the poor. They have the same rights as the more well to do. But they intentionally discriminate against them.

 

Countless, posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:37:25
Dave B
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 There were countless thieves / looters. There were so many, it was impossible to keep count. In so many cities, for so many hours, for so many days in a row. Just one night in NYC it was estimated at $25 million in goods stolen by the most upstanding and best citizens in the United States.

Feel better?

 

But yet while many claim ..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:37:36
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 But yet while many claim supporting the rights of the poor, they TOTALLY ignore this topic as if it didn't exist.

No different then their cherry picked selective outrage on other topics.
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RE: So that gives folks the right to make up numbers to support their theories?..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:39:58
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 I hate thieves. They stole irreplaceable heirlooms passed down to me from my great, great grandfather. They got me once but never again.

 

Angry guy making up stuff to support his beliefs. Feel better now? nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:44:09
viridian
 Nt

 

RE: It's called economic exclusion of constitutional rights., posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:44:54
rivervalley817
 'price the 2nd Amendment out of reach'

guns aren't that expensive ... ammunition is

'You know, armed personal body guards for the elite versus 911 and a rape whistle for everyone else'

huh, that actually makes some sense ...

still can't figure out WHY you post such things

maybe you're 'fomenting at the mouth'

be well,




 

You seemed to count them fine, countess. nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:45:15
viridian
 Nt

 

RE: especially when you ignore little facts..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:48:44
rivervalley817
 'it is very difficult to find some other object in the home that is safer than [A] gun.'

that's just weird Dave

gun safes: check

lamp safes: uncheck

regards,






 

RE: What I learned at the Pentagon in '67, posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:55:02
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 Ah, October '67. I was at the 'Gon too, standing right behind the protest organizers: Dr. Benjamin Spock, Dwight MacDonald, Robert Lowell, and others.

I saw one troop roll up a flower girl like a joint and send her down the lawn. At least I didn't spend a night in jail.

 

RE: Yeah, that poor geezer in Buffalo should have been armed., posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:56:39
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 The cops say the old guy tripped and fell, but the VDT clearly shows a shove from a policeman. Next, they'll claim the poor guy had drugs on him. He was laid out on the sidewalk like he was a goner.

You know, I've been thinking lately that it might help matters a lot if cops just weren't so damned DUMB. We wouldn't have half the problems we have now.
Ten or 11 days into this situation and cops are still doing things like this.

 

not yet! What is the bag limit on Antifa members? nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:56:47
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 nt

 

RE: Countless, posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:58:59
rivervalley817
 ""The Rolex store is empty," a police source said. "They stole like $2.4 million in Rolexes.""

next paragraph:

"the store's spokesman said "no watches of any kind were stolen, as there weren't any on display in the store. There were simply windows broken and some vitrines smashed."

https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/looters-swipe-2-4m-worth-of-watches-from-soho-rolex-store/

makes you wonder

be well,


 

See! I had the same thought, except...., posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:59:30
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 it was the other way around! Things would be a lot better if some PROTESTORS weren't so damn dumb.

Takes two to tango.

 

RE: not yet! What is the bag limit on Antifa members? nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:01:44
rivervalley817
 that'll help the situation Dave ...

*rolls eyes*

regards,


 

Did I specifically mention Rolexes?? but...., posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:02:48
Dave B
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 thanks for the link anyway. Looks like the fog of war syndrome.

 

well...., posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:04:28
Dave B
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 sometimes you have to confront stupid, with more stupid. It's what they understand. ;-)

Hey! get back to the mini thread you started in this one and leave me another clue!

 

Just make up a number, you seem to be practiced at that, LOL. nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:06:19
viridian
 nt

 

RE: See! I had the same thought, except...., posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:10:11
rivervalley817
 'See! I had the same thought, except ... '

'... it was the other way around!'

it looks as if logical syntax has left the building

those are not the same thoughts Dave

stop having them

regards,







 

...or just make them up....nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:10:43
viridian
 Nt

 

RE: Did I specifically mention Rolexes?? but...., posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:14:11
rivervalley817
 no, that was me.

to paraphrase Hiram Johnson: the first casualty of conflict is the truth

is that fog or tear gas?

be well,



 

RE: It's called economic exclusion of constitutional rights., posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:17:34
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the DREAM is coming TRUE!!!!!, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:17:51
Dave B
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 After Buffalo Mayor Brown suspended the 2 officers without pay.... ALL 57 Emergency Response Team members resigned from the force in disagreement with the Mayor.

There ya go!! Police being defunded in action. Buffalo now does not have Police ERT anymore. I'm sure the citizens are very pleased.

 

RE: It's called economic exclusion of constitutional rights., posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:21:42
rivervalley817
 see, I knew you were a good egg!

sometimes hard boiled, others scrambled, never over easy

at least you get your tie-dye on for Easter

regards,


 

not made up, it is factual.... but you wouldn't know....nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:23:22
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 nt

 

Factual like the "million thieves", ya right. nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:26:29
viridian
 Nt

 

RE: so, this is where it gets weird..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:34:05
rivervalley817
 this could an itch you'll never scratch

regards,

 

RE: Factual like the "million thieves", ya right. nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:42:08
rivervalley817
 hyperbole, sarcasm, dramatic irony, metaphor, pathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire.

he knows all the tricks!

be well,


 

Maybe they'll do a better job of training the next batch, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:45:41
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 and I think they will need more anyway if these protests keep up. This could blow up even bigger, who knows.

Unfortunately, all the militarized training is no good in these situations. They should arrest protesters that are violent or commit some act of violence. Protesting or breaking a curfew is not an act of violence, however, unless there is direct intent to cause harm.

 

RE: Maybe they'll do a better job of training the next batch, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:50:06
rivervalley817
 'They should arrest protesters that are violent or commit some act of violence'

then they are not protesters. if they ever were

for your consideration:

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

be well

 

Yes, bit he doesn't invent the facts. nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:51:14
viridian
 Nt

 

Geeezus you're thick..........................................nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:53:22
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 nt

 

RE: Yes, bit he doesn't invent the facts. nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:54:39
rivervalley817
 who's 'he' Viridian ... ? we either lost a post or I lost context

with regards,








 

Easy to do - I'm with you on that one. nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:55:32
viridian
 Nt

 

you seem to be having a real problem with the usage of...., posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:56:07
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 effective hyperbole but then conflate with ACTUAL factual information.

Nice try but it doesn't wash... people are smarter than your schtick.

 

RE: you seem to be having a real problem with the usage of...., posted on June 5, 2020 at 15:58:55
rivervalley817
 'people are smarter than your schtick'

is it still OK to laugh?

regards,


 

Can you imagine people bidding on eBay for..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 16:01:55
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 used bullets?

"In VG condition, fired into a really fat guys ass."

"Nice shape, only used twice! Buy it Now! FREE shipping!"

"NM, fired into mattress by mistake, need to sell to take shooting lessons."

"Bought wrong calibre, have a .38 Special on a .45 frame."








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...but dumber than your schtick I suppose....nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 16:03:14
viridian
 Nt

 

Absolutely! by all means, I insist!.............................nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 16:03:56
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 nt

 

And it's all the fault of the 79-year-old, posted on June 5, 2020 at 16:04:41
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 They must be very proud.

Great emergency response there, guys.

 

RE: Can you imagine people bidding on eBay for..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 16:06:01
rivervalley817
 'Bought wrong calibre, have a .38 Special ... '

my brother in law did that with .380's

true story ... boring, but true nonetheless

best regards,


 

well, that is disappointing.....................................nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 16:06:27
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RE: well, that is disappointing.....................................nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 16:08:41
rivervalley817
 it's only fair to 'the boys from Illinois'

regards,



 

RE: And it's all the fault of the 79-year-old, posted on June 5, 2020 at 16:37:05
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 The mayor of Buffalo told CNN that the cops didn't come to the man's aid because they have trained medics who travel with this Emergency Squad and are better trained to deal with injuries.

In other words, these are the head busters and the knee cappers. That's their primary purpose.

 

Just wait until more police quit...., posted on June 5, 2020 at 16:51:29
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 Then you'll be able to save more money by not needing the 9-1-1 system anymore.

Need help? Call your local protestors. They can surely solve any problem.

The Wild West is making a comeback! Get your six-shooter all spiffed up!

 

Safes, posted on June 5, 2020 at 16:52:12
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 I have a nice stainless S&W 38 revolver that lives on my night stand in the open. It's safer than having to look for it. It goes in the unlocked drawer when people come over. I would do more if I had grandkids, but I don't have any.

 

Stems from this gem..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 17:01:30
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Wrong again..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 17:04:42
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 They resigned from that task force, NOT from the police force.
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depends on where you live..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 17:09:16
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Lucky for him they weren't at double time..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 17:10:36
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 Seems he'll be OK.

I hope so.

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RE: Stems from this gem..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 17:46:05
rivervalley817
 nice

Yorma still plays out & keeps good company

http://jormakaukonen.com/

regards,


 

here's my source.... NOT wrong....., posted on June 5, 2020 at 17:55:06
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 It says they resigned. In my world, that means you quit from your employer.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/57-buffalo-officers-resign-from-emergency-response-team-after-two-cops-suspended/ar-BB156hh9?ocid=spartanntp

The entire Buffalo Police Department Emergency Response Team has resigned after the department suspended two officers without pay when a video surfaced showing them pushing over a 75-year-old protester.

John Evans, president of the Buffalo Police Benevolent Association, announced the 57-member team's resignation at a press conference Friday.

"Fifty-seven resigned in disgust because of the treatment of two of their members, who were simply executing orders," Evans told a local NBC affiliate.

In a graphic video shot by a WBFO journalist, an elderly man is seen slowly approaching a group of police officers until one of them tells him to move and then pushes him to the ground.
A person can be heard yelling "He's bleeding out of his ear!" and calling for medics. The man is seen laying on his back with blood trickling from his head.

The Buffalo Police Department initially said the man tripped and fell.
Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown (D) said in a statement that he "was deeply disturbed by the video."

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said in a tweet that "Police Officers must enforce - NOT ABUSE - the law," adding that he and Brown agreed that the "officers involved should be immediately suspended pending a formal investigation.

Erie County District Attorney John Flynn said in a statement Friday that he is investigating the incident.

The resignation of the Emergency Response Team would send a bad signal, said Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz.
"If they resigned, I'm exceptionally disappointed by it because it indicates to me that they did not see anything wrong with the actions last night," Poloncarz said at a press conference Friday.

The incident is one of several instances where police officers appear to be using excessive force against demonstrators protesting the death of George Floyd, an unarmed black man who was killed in Minneapolis police custody last week.

In Los Angeles, a video surfaced of police officers hitting protesters with batons and shooting rubber bullets. In New York, a video was shared of police SUVs driving through a crowd of protesters, and another showed an officer pushing a woman to the ground.

 

Most likely, posted on June 5, 2020 at 18:13:36
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 he is parroting an incredibly flawed study by Arthur Kellerman in 1993.

"In the Kellermann study, homicide in the victim's home was linked to a number of risk factors — but there was no physical link between the victim's gun ownership and his or her death. The Kellermann study did not even determine whether the victim's gun was used in the victim's homicide. The homicides were not related only to gun ownership or possession — they were much more directly and physically related to a number of other factors, such as the killer's possession of a weapon, and other behavioral factors such as drinking, drug use, and previous violence. The Kellermann study did not establish that homicide in the home was related only to a related set of causes."

 

yes! that Kellerman study was stupid......, posted on June 5, 2020 at 19:25:08
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 out of all 444 cases studied... only 8 were the homeowners gun! 436 were the perp's gun.

 

More like..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 19:33:53
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 Calculated to distort reality.

If you're already a low-life, then gun ownership will likely not turn out well given your predilections and that of your friends.

I've had a concealed carry permit for more than twenty years...

 

RE: More like..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 19:43:48
rivervalley817
 'If you're already a low-life'

just look what happens when they get their hands on REAL ordinance instead of pop-guns

regards,



 

have you noticed....., posted on June 5, 2020 at 19:50:33
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 the plethora of attempts to discredit Dr. John Lott?

Its very telling and you know when someone is right on the truth, the more the frenzy is amped up to try to discredit them.

 

you'll shoot your eye out..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 20:01:34
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 Now go to bed.

 

Dad?? Is that you???...........................................nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 20:12:01
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Wrong source....., posted on June 5, 2020 at 20:56:21
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a

"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure



 

What about the Hawaiian shirt? , posted on June 5, 2020 at 21:13:22
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 Or do you only get that with open carry licenses? ;-)


Trying to hide from entropy
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never owned one and never will.............................nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 21:17:23
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Wise move! nt, posted on June 5, 2020 at 21:20:48
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Trying to hide from entropy
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RE: here's my source..., posted on June 5, 2020 at 21:44:06
Inmate51
 I've seen the video ad nauseam.

It's probably not a good idea to walk toward a group of armed police which are attempting to clear the area of rabble-rousers (sp?). Another Darwin award nominee?

 

Maybe that poor geezer in Buffalo should have obeyed the cops, posted on June 6, 2020 at 00:51:41
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 If the cops tell me to move back, I know I need to move back. How hard can that be to grasp?

If the cops tell me to move back, but I decide to get up in their faces, I know I can fully expect push back from the cops trying to enforce their original order. How hard can that be to grasp?

If I'm a frail and delicate 75 year old, seeing dozens of police in riot gear moving towards me and telling me to move back, I can fully expect them to treat me like any other ass hat when I choose to disobey their lawful orders. How hard can that be to grasp?

Oh no! Wait! What! They are going to send me to a Senior "Care" center with all the rest of the Covid positives? Could I please change my plea to guilty and get sent to the county jail?

JE

 

RE: Maybe that poor geezer in Buffalo should have obeyed the cops, posted on June 6, 2020 at 02:03:20
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 Let's hope your eyesight and hearing haven't faded at 75. Otherwise, they'll beat the shit out of you in your little crystal ball scenario.

Or, maybe you just hate old people, too.

 

I have a concealed-carry permit (have for decades)..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 04:18:08
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 ...and it's not a big deal. I also have been known to exercise my right to open-carry. Legally owning/carrying a firearm does not make you (well, me) any more likely to kill someone with one.

I was taught (as a kid) to never pull a gun on someone unless you have a damned good reason, and are fully prepared to use it.

I also determined (on my own, many years ago) that if I were going someplace that I felt that I NEEDED to be carrying a firearm, that I probably shouldn't be going there--at all.

For every lawful gun-owner that you see openly displaying a firearm, I can almost guarantee you that there are 5-10 other people illegally carrying a concealed weapon.

I'm just screwed on the Hawaiian shirts--I have a few that I wear in the summer--usually with khaki or white shorts, and top-siders--not sure what that means? No "skipper's cap"--don't own a boat--not for decades, so I don't pretend--sorry.


"And today is for sale and it's all you can afford. Buy your own admission. The whole things got you bored. Well the Lord chooses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP

 

What got me, and I'm 91 so I can REALLY relate..., posted on June 6, 2020 at 05:27:12
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 ... is what happened after the guy got pushed to the ground. Basically nothing. They just let him lie there bleeding.

Put yourself in his place. We geezers don't move very fast. How he would/should have reacted is very dependent on his age and reflexes.

If you can't understand that, wait until you're his age. Then you will.

 

that was my exact thought!.......................................nt, posted on June 6, 2020 at 05:35:33
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+1 They're ugly (nt), posted on June 6, 2020 at 05:58:05
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Oh yes, posted on June 6, 2020 at 06:24:34
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 And as you observed, crime in the ranks of the nearly 19 million of us who have a concealed carry permit is virtually nil. It is almost by definition given the legal requirements.

We begin with paying for a thorough FBI background check and continue that process every five years or so depending upon state. My next renewal is 2022.

 

The Old ones are! Is that how Cops protect us? Who will , posted on June 6, 2020 at 06:30:30
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 protect us from the Cops?

 

We see, posted on June 6, 2020 at 06:33:00
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 what happens with the actions of individuals like George.

He thought it would be a good idea to point a loaded gun at a pregnant woman and rob her.

He had the constitutional right to own the gun until he savagely abused it.

 

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