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This is about the recent recording of the Mahler 3rd with Fischer and the Budapest Festival Orch. I'm looking to buy a copy, possibly by download. The 2 channel version is offered in: DSD256, 128 and 64; and FLAC192, 96 and 41KHz. It is also offered as an SACD which I take to be DSD64. The engineering description given by Channel Classics is: The recording was originally digitized using the Grimm AD1, which operates at DSD64. The original session tracks were edited and rebalanced (which meant going through the mixer) in the only available format for that purpose; the Pyramix 352.8KHz/24bit PCM (DXD). Prior to the advent of direct digital delivery, the next step in the production process from 352.8KHz/24bit PCM would be the DSD64 edited master for SACD production. What we have done now is also make a direct conversion to DSD128 and DSD256 from that original DXD edited master, without going through any interim processing steps. Those DXD to DSD conversions are not up-samplings, as they would be going from one PCM sampling rate to another, for they are different encoding systems. PCM is a digital value sample based system, and DSD is a digital bit density modulated system. Conversion from any PCM sample rate to any DSD bit rate system is a remodulation, not an up-sampling. We feel there is an audio advantage to this process in using the original files so we give you the choice and you can decide. Jared Sacks So, if I am reading this right the recording starts out as DSD64 and gets converted to PCM and back to DSD64 for the SACD. [I presume a .dsf rip from the SACD would be the same as the DSD64.] Then the PCM file is converted to higher order DSD versions and presumably to the FLAC files. As the original recording was in DSD64 is there any benefit to having the DSD128 or 256 versions? As the mixdown was in PCM would it be better to stay with the FLAC versions? Would appreciate if someone could shed some light here. Though Channel Classics distributed a sample in any version, it was an out-take with almost no music on it. |
RE: Yes!, posted on July 11, 2017 at 05:05:47 | |
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Thank you. The Channel Classics page I was on did not show that. |
Try here:, posted on July 11, 2017 at 08:38:36 | |
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24/352.8 is what reads out on my DAC too! [nt] ;-), posted on July 11, 2017 at 10:24:46 | |
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Will iTunes play discrete multichannel files? (NT), posted on July 11, 2017 at 11:36:49 | |
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Agreed. Just play it......................, posted on July 11, 2017 at 13:23:37 | |
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or buy what you can play. |
Certainly [nt], posted on July 11, 2017 at 15:38:27 | |
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Face palm!, posted on July 11, 2017 at 15:52:17 | |
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It never occurred to me that there actually were 2 channel DXDs! Duh. |
I would never saddle myself with iTunes. (NT), posted on July 11, 2017 at 16:40:49 | |
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Yes, I've played multichannel in Audirvana................, posted on July 11, 2017 at 16:42:41 | |
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back when I dawdled with Mac. |
But did you do it in iTunes compatibility mode?, posted on July 11, 2017 at 16:43:45 | |
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Never use iTunes in any form. (NT), posted on July 11, 2017 at 17:44:01 | |
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Thanks, Fitz - I'm downloading it right now [nt], posted on July 11, 2017 at 18:09:27 | |
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If it was a long time ago, it's likely not the same anymore [nt], posted on July 12, 2017 at 00:34:53 | |
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Tom - thanks for the elaboration! [nt], posted on July 12, 2017 at 00:54:54 | |
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Agreed! This should be said more often. nt, posted on July 12, 2017 at 11:51:28 | |
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Wow! That would be great. nt, posted on July 12, 2017 at 13:15:21 | |
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Granted but................................, posted on July 12, 2017 at 15:18:29 | |
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I know of nothing about it to tempt me. |
LOL! - The SQ was great! I loved it! [nt] ;-), posted on July 12, 2017 at 17:09:11 | |
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I understand - no problem! [nt] ;-), posted on July 12, 2017 at 17:10:14 | |
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Who are content with, posted on July 12, 2017 at 17:15:28 | |
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lossy 256k content. :) |
I'm with Kal -nt, posted on July 12, 2017 at 18:13:01 | |
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Great News!, posted on July 13, 2017 at 16:40:42 | |
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I'm with..., posted on July 15, 2017 at 09:59:59 | |
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his previous comments of course. :) I do run an Acoustat based MC/HT system although the only stats are the mains. I'm trying to sell my original non-PX cores to a guy with three U-1s and spare backplates who wants to create a five channel SL system. Not quite as much panel area as Ray Kimber's ten Prostat 922 multi-channel system, but still a bunch! I've got too many coffin sized boxes in storage. :) |
But Tom's not. ;-) (NT), posted on July 15, 2017 at 13:23:07 | |
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