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Time was, the singing of the National Anthem would have generated a bit of comment here

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Posted on January 21, 2021 at 05:27:59
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 My two cents, I thought Ms. Germanotta was superb in tempo, cold air pitch, and emotion; mostly eschewing the now customary theatrics.

Of course, I do have to admit to being a fan.

 

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RE: Time was, the singing of the National Anthem would have generated a bit of comment here, posted on January 21, 2021 at 05:49:23
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 I'm not necessarily a fan, although I'd love to hear her do some Broadway revivals of shows that can use a belter, e.g., the kind Ethel Merman did.

But I do agree that her version was excellent.

 

Not sure I'm a total "fan," but have HUGE respect for her immense talent., posted on January 21, 2021 at 08:01:18
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 Ok, well, I DO like quite a bit of her work.

I also think she has amazing talent, and did a great job at the inaugural.

 

She put a lot of soul into that National Anthem, posted on January 21, 2021 at 08:50:56
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 It was a high point of many high points in Biden's inauguration ceremony.

Her pop music is just pop music, but she is a very creative girl.

 

She's a great singer, so why the Autotune?, posted on January 21, 2021 at 08:52:35
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 It's obvious that she can really sing, but the vocals on her recordings are so heavily processed that I don't want to hear them.
She's not alone in this regard.



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"Her pop music is just pop music, but she is a very creative girl." +1, posted on January 21, 2021 at 08:58:35
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Not gaga, posted on January 21, 2021 at 09:23:13
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 about Gaga.

 

RE: And apparently, it did :) nt, posted on January 21, 2021 at 09:45:50
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RE: Time was, the singing of the National Anthem would have generated a bit of comment here, posted on January 21, 2021 at 09:56:29
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 I'm a big non fan but thought she did an excellent job. Not a fan of J Low either but once again, she also did a great job.


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The Best, posted on January 21, 2021 at 10:13:30
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 Lady Gaga was the best part of the Inauguration. Unlike virtually every other celebrity who sings our national anthem at an event, Lady Gaga did not make the song about herself; her rendition was not about how good her voice was. She sang simply but with dramatic effectiveness. Her turn towards the flag was a brilliant gesture that gave contemporary meaning and significance to the words. By far the best Star Spangled Banner I've ever heard.

 

Where's detective Krieger to weigh in? [nt] ;-), posted on January 21, 2021 at 11:10:55
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The simple answer may be..., posted on January 21, 2021 at 11:38:46
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 ... that she knows where the money is and so caters to her biggest audience, a much younger crowd. She would hardly be the first talented performer who underutilizes their natural talent in order to chase the fame and fortune of mass popularity. That would also explain the autotune, since it imparts a "sound" that is currently an expected part of the pop scene.

 

I thought her outfit was over the top......, posted on January 21, 2021 at 12:09:03
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 ..but her rendition of the song was excellent.


 

You Rang? [-;, posted on January 21, 2021 at 13:31:28
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 Whatever performance is being discussed here, I'm kind of in the dark.....

But more and more people are noticing the enhancement being applied.... So I guess I'm no longer the lone "detective" ;^) ... (People who notice Auto-Tune usually do so in less than five seconds.... It's not overly difficult to discern, once you learn its sound signature.) People are now bringing it up like they've been doing so with "lip-syncing"......

 

Now is the Time: Not a big fan, but she has honest talent and did a classy rendition... N/T, posted on January 21, 2021 at 14:00:52
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RE: You Rang? [-;, posted on January 21, 2021 at 14:07:38
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 I perused the thread, it was apparently Lady Gaga singing the National Anthem at the Inauguration..... I just watched it on YouTube.....

The application of Auto-Tune was relatively subtle, a 4/4 time signature applied to the Anthem (it's normally done in 3/4 time), it was actually better than expected.... Although the 4/4 Anthem that was truly for the ages was Whitney Houston's Super Bowl rendition in 1991. (That one did NOT have Auto-Tune.)

RIP Ms. Houston........

 

Lady Gaga sang the best, most stirring rendition I have ever heard , posted on January 21, 2021 at 14:29:17
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 I am not familiar with her work, but she knocked me out. An amazing performance.

 

RE: I thought her outfit was over the top......, posted on January 21, 2021 at 14:46:32
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 Hey, she didn't wear the "Meat Dress".

 

Does the "younger crowd" know or care?, posted on January 21, 2021 at 16:00:08
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 I thought they liked a song with a good beat and a good hook, just like we did when we were the younger crowd.




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I wasn't talking about the anthem, but rather her studio recordings., posted on January 21, 2021 at 16:02:10
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 Actually, I didn't hear her sing the National Anthem.
But I've seen/heard her sing live with no enhancements and she's got a great voice, IMO.
But she uses a computer for help on the records. She's not the only one either.
I can understand using enhancements if the singer isn't really all that good. No different than overdubbing or multi-tracking or adding reverb to the vocals back in the old days.
But if you have a great voice why spoil it with computer enhancements?
BTW, I can hear Autotune within a few seconds also and it's extremely annoying.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: Time was, the singing of the National Anthem would have generated a bit of comment here, posted on January 21, 2021 at 16:12:36
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 Music can be VERY therapeutic! :-)

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RE: Time was, the singing of the National Anthem would have generated a bit of comment here, posted on January 21, 2021 at 16:39:57
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 It was well done - I appreciate that she is willing to try different genres from pop, metal, show tunes, and jazz.

 

RE: She's a great singer, so why the Autotune?, posted on January 21, 2021 at 16:42:34
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 Studio time on albums - it's faster for studios to implement auto-tune than the myriad of DSP and Mixing tricks they used for the decades that preceded auto-tune.

You are correct though - she doesn't really need autotune



 

That's okay - Lady Gaga would not be EcStatic about E-Stat. NT :), posted on January 21, 2021 at 16:45:47
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I thought she delivered it very well., posted on January 21, 2021 at 16:53:08
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 And I can sing it. But I was quite impressed with her performance.
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RE: You Rang? [-;, posted on January 21, 2021 at 17:10:38
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 It's a shame she got involved with drugs. That jerk (name escapes me) who got her addicted should have been jailed for murder in my opinion - whether you kill someone fast or slow it's still murder. For pop Whitney was on another level vocally to the pop singers of the time. Mariah had a great voice but I tired of her constant runs. Whitney, Mariah, and Celine Dion were the big three power pop vocals when I was younger. Celine has the French accent though which is not to all tastes. Though she did well for herself in Vegas that's for sure.

Glennis Grace does do excellent Whitney Covers so she is kind of the next best thing for Whitney fans being a huge fan herself.

 

Yes she would be good, posted on January 21, 2021 at 17:13:48
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 on Boradway I should think. She has a bit of a chameleon voice.

She can do the breezy vocal suitable for the likes of the Sound of Music.

 

RE: Does the "younger crowd" know or care?, posted on January 21, 2021 at 17:26:52
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 I grew up in the 1980s where the hits came from Madonna, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson and the rock/pop bands like Roxette, The Outfield, Def Leppard, and the rockers of the time were AC/DC, Aerosmith, Motley Crue, Poison, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath.

Lady Gaga's Fame Monster pop album was a massive hit and I would post of those pop songs up against any pop songs I was listening to in the 1980s.

I suppose it all depends on what song you are comparing to what song. Even the Beatles have a slew of dopey songs with dopey lyrics.

How does one look at a song? Autotune is a pitch fixer - a relatively minor fix in my opinion.

Bad Romance was a huge pop hit and the video still manages to hold up 12 years later.

Tony Bennett has influenced changing her career to get away from pop and to improve her longevity in the industry.

But Bad Romance is as good a pop song as any pop songs I heard from the 1980s starlets. It will be in the club scene for decades just as Madonna's Holiday still pounds the dance floors 40 years later!

 

Over the top......?, posted on January 21, 2021 at 17:33:45
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LOL - For her she was dressed down.

She could have worn something like this.

 

Exceptionally understated outfit for Gaga!!, posted on January 21, 2021 at 18:03:11
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 But very tasteful.
She sang very well but did let go with the vocal modulations a little bit at the end. I am not a citizen but my view is that National Anthem is almost always spoiled by this, however I think most singers have to do it because they don't have the range to sing it straight and hold the high notes.

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Your comment is another way..., posted on January 21, 2021 at 18:36:49
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 ... of saying the same thing I noted.

 

RE: The simple answer may be..., posted on January 21, 2021 at 19:07:22
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 To be fair when she began she herself was largely a kid (mid 20s).

Most people grow up with pop/rock music not with jazz/classical so the music they like is the music they will likely gravitate to when becoming an artist.

Her name comes from the Queen hit Radio Gaga so it sort of tells you the kind of artist she was headed to be. A female Freddy Mercury.

So when you couple Freddy with Elton John (who is her godfather or something) then you get an understanding of why she is the way she is in terms of crazy outfits and belting ballads.

 

RE: Time was, the singing of the National Anthem would have generated a bit of comment here, posted on January 21, 2021 at 20:18:16
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 I wish Whitney Houston were here.

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Very powerful and respectful. Highlight of the ceremony, posted on January 21, 2021 at 21:04:39
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RE: I wasn't talking about the anthem, but rather her studio recordings., posted on January 21, 2021 at 23:20:17
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 There is non-Auto-Tuned Gaga out there (link)..... You be the judge...... I don't think it's awful, but I don't think it's anything special either..... (But that's just one man's opinion. Someone else might think she's the real deal.)

I think the "act" initially caught people's eye more than the voice..........

 

RE: You Rang? [-;, posted on January 21, 2021 at 23:40:15
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 "That jerk (name escapes me) who got her addicted should have been jailed for murder in my opinion"

The Hollywood scene, which the music industry is a part of, has gone deep in the gutter...... I think a lot of these vocalists (Amy Winehouse, who succumbed to drugs and abuse, comes to mind) are propped up because they're "sex symbols" to these Hollywood executives.... These execs throw Auto-Tune at the performers to make them sell recordings and win music awards, and then exploit these performers' fame and fortune with lucrative drug deals, ultimately leaving them hung out to dry......

I think the drugs and stress of fame and fast lifestyle is a big reason why a lot of these performers end up with bitter attitudes.

 

I goes to show..., posted on January 22, 2021 at 03:35:22
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 that the younger generations are devout patriots too, leading by example.

 

she did well however Whitney still does it for me, posted on January 22, 2021 at 03:37:46
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 1991 Super Bowl, granted she lip synced her own recording but still delivered a knock out IMO. So popular it was released as a single and made the top 20 on billboard, the highest ever for the recording- and not the studio version but the live mono video feed.









 

"Fame Monster" was a hit because it had some great songs., posted on January 22, 2021 at 04:23:47
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 Not because the "younger crowd" demands Autotuned vocals anymore than we demanded overdubbing when we were the younger crowd.
I read an interview with producer/musician Steve Albini in which Albini claimed that it's the artists who want Autotune. He said he's heard singers lay down a vocal track that's so great and soulful that it could make grown men weep, and after hearing it played back, they ask for Autotune, which in his opinion and mine, ruins the vocals.
Lady Gaga has a great voice and doesn't need any help from software. She's famous enough and powerful enough to dictate how her records are produced, nobody can force her to make a record a certain way. So why process great vocals?
I know Autotune is supposed to just be pitch correction but it can be heard in the vocals.



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RE: "a good beat and a good hook", and plenty of Reverb, posted on January 22, 2021 at 04:44:31
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 Reverb was as common in 50's and early 60's Pop Music as Autotune is today. My college roommates car radio even had an extra Reverb gizmo that could be switched on and off.

What's wrong with Auto Tune is making a pretty face and a hot bod that "can't carry a tune in a basket" into Pitch Perfect.

 

RE: She began in 4/4 then to 3/4 with "the rockets red glare" and no discernible Auto Tune, posted on January 22, 2021 at 05:16:37
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 At least none on several notes that wavered in pitch due, I'm certain, to limits of range, and the cold temperature. My impression is based on 60 years of playing an instrument without keys or valves to maintain intonation, writing transcriptions for same, and growing up in a house with 2 semi-pro Sopranos, one of which never tired of reminding us that she once had a Met try- out.

Here's ClassicFM.com on the performance

 

RE: "Fame Monster" was a hit because it had some great songs., posted on January 22, 2021 at 05:28:43
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 When artists start out and under various contracts, they have little say in what is done (doctored) to their music. As he notes in the article below specifically with regards to autotune.

Two pretty good female singers in Canada were screwed over by their "agents" or whatever they're called to the point where one basically semi-retired after a huge hit debut album and the other pretty much the same - the two artists were Alannah Myles (smash hit song Black Velvet) and the other Amanda Marshall where virtually every track on the album charted in several countries.

Lady Gaga notes that Tony Bennett had an influence. In a bit of irony - her duet with Bennett - some reviews noted that autotune probably would have helped ... HIM sound better. My issue with their duet album was largely song choice. Her voice is more than capable enough to sing pretty much everything short of Opera but that's sort of a specialized well off the mainstream kind of thing.

I agree with you - I wish her stuff wasn't autotuned simply because with autotune she will be deemed "lesser" as a singer in the eyes of some. But in the end, no matter what you do you can't please everyone.

Still, there are other tricks more egregious than auto-tune which have been around for decades.

"Myth: Autotune can make a bad singer sound good

Although the term carries connotations of magically transforming awful singers into divas, "Autotune" is nothing more than simple pitch correction. If an artist is somewhat off on a note — if that A-sharp just didn't ring unequivocally — it can be tweaked to make it clear and consistent. If a producer wants to play around with the melody of a song, he can alter the pitch even further.../...

If you want to make a bad singer sound tolerable, then adding reverb, echo effect, vocal layering, and endless harmonies is your best bet. Terrible tone will still be terrible, regardless of whether that note is an F or a G. (Witness Heidi Montag's "Superficial": nothing can cover the fact that she simply is not a very good singer.)" https://thetruthaboutgaga.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/the-autotune-myth/

One of the replies in the link above compares autotune to photoshop - I would say air-brushing. Too much makes a woman look almost cartoonish. A little bit applied can make a woman look fantastic and if you don't do any - well I hope you're turned on by zits. I graduated in 1992 and the photographers could take out our blemishes.

As a reply in the above replies noted "Autotuned" increasingly means "Music I don't like."

When Gaga first came out people hated her because they thought she was trans. Conspiracy theories all over the place and she was asked about it by a reporter back then. Still, those conspiracies stick with people and a lot of people held an "ick-factor" view of her (which tells me more about them than her).

The other issue is that artists are using autotune and other electronic effects deliberately for effect - Cher's "I Believe" was the first term I heard it heavily to force a robotic effect. That futuristic Kraftwerk kind of thing. And the artist T-pain heavily uses autotune because he just loves the sound of it. And surprisingly he can actually sing as well. Interview on Auto-tune with T-Pain so you can hear him without Auto-tune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjt7Sn7x-Y0

Music changes - it's not all going to be the mumble, mumble, shout, mumble mumble, shout, of Bob Dylan.

Gaga on autotune -

 

Again, according to Albini...who should know..., posted on January 22, 2021 at 06:21:43
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 It's the artists that demand Autotune, not producers or record companies.
Here's another example: Kacey Musgraves. Her voice isn't powerful but it's sweet. Her first album was a major hit and put her on the map, and the vocals were not Autotuned.
Her most recent album? Heavy use of Autotune.
Her record company didn't demand the use of Autotune when Musgraves was an unknown, it sure as hell isn't demanding it now.
It's like the Bob Clearmountain sound in the 1980s. Clearmountain mixed an album for Bruce Springsteen and everybody else wanted the Clearmountain sound (which to my ears is overly thin and bright).




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All female pop singers (past and present) given a letter grade, posted on January 22, 2021 at 08:00:09
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 This is definitive. Well from some guy's opinion.

Two of my favorites - Aurora and LP aren't mentioned - boo. Though they're not power ballad types

Anyway - makes me want to look a few of them up. Ranked from D- to A+ and above A+ is Star.

Let the disagreements ensue.

 

RE: Time was, the singing of the National Anthem would have generated a bit of comment here, posted on January 22, 2021 at 10:48:10
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 She's very diverse. I'm a fan too.




 

RE: Over the top......?, posted on January 22, 2021 at 11:16:33
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 Well yes, but I am considering the event. I guess a pantsuit would be expecting to much.


 

RE: Over the top......?, posted on January 22, 2021 at 17:25:56
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That's okay - with all the mega thousand dollar outfits - Bernie Sanders is the only person anyone seems to remember. He was keeping it real with his gifted recycled mittens. :)

 

RE: she did well however Whitney still does it for me, posted on January 22, 2021 at 18:19:47
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 That is the greatest. Whitney is the best.

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RE: Over the top......?, posted on January 22, 2021 at 18:26:02
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RE: Over the top......?, posted on January 22, 2021 at 20:11:16
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 I wish I were seeing him in the White House but so it goes.

 

This is a good breakdown on Gaga's version..., posted on January 22, 2021 at 23:30:02
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 This fellow breaks down the arrangement.

 

RE: Time was, the singing of the National Anthem would have generated a bit of comment here, posted on January 23, 2021 at 10:20:32
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 Key composed the word "banner" as a 3-syllable lyric (ba-ne-er), not a 4 syllable mistake (ba-a-ne-er). 99% of all anthem singers know the anthem from sporting events, not from studying and paying tribute to Francis Scott Key's time-honored composition. I wait for it, every time somebody fires it up, then I cringe when I realize that the singer was more interested in their hair extentions and fake eyelashes than honoring the greatest national anthem of the greatest nation ever. God Bless the USA.

 

Sometimes, It Helps Not To Listen Too Much.........., posted on January 23, 2021 at 17:14:22
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 I admit I didn't watch it all the way through initially, so I did so again...... I was kind of interested in the 3/4 transition.....

A "wavering" voice is not "proof" of the absence of Auto-Tune.... Only the absence of the "locking effect" on the notes would be "proof"..... It was there in spades.

I do think the Auto-Tune may have been under-applied somewhat in this case: Gaga's real voice came through "between the notes" during the later bars of the Anthem..... Had there been no Auto-Tune during that passage, she would have sounded Gawd awful.....

I retract my "better than expected" comment elsewhere in the thread. Only the beginning part, which I listened to initially, was better than expected. It was not a strong application of Auto-Tune, but it appears that Gaga could have used a stronger application of it.

 

RE: Time was, the singing of the National Anthem would have generated a bit of comment here, posted on January 23, 2021 at 17:15:07
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 greatest national anthem of the greatest nation ever.

Bwahahahaha - you don't get out much do you?

America isn't even the best country in North America :)

 

RE: This is a good breakdown on Gaga's version..., posted on January 23, 2021 at 19:28:57
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 Very interesting....thanks

 

RE: Time was, the singing of the National Anthem would have generated a bit of comment here, posted on January 24, 2021 at 07:45:43
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 I love hockey, and I love O Canada too, very moving and rarely riffed into oblivion. There must be a law that if you mangle O Canada, you automatically get teleported to the northernmost region in North America, in your birthday suit! HA!!! God Bless the USA!!!

 

Bang Bang, posted on January 24, 2021 at 08:03:16
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 Lady Gaga at her best..isn't she always? The arrangement and accompaniment certainly do her justice as well! This is an extraordinary performance all around.

 

Such an admirable skill..., posted on January 24, 2021 at 13:18:23
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 To be able to analyze to that depth. Brings to mind the Beacham quote: "Most people really don't like music - they just like the way it sounds."

Thanks for posting.

 

It's the way I felt taking Lit , posted on January 24, 2021 at 17:40:18
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 at University. Pulling apart literature discovering more layers in meaning and themes in a text and then learning how to find them yourself in various passages. It can be enjoyed on one level but deeply appreciated on another.

Listening to something like a National Anthem that is heard so often for so many years it is often heard and perhaps not appreciated beyond the level of "she sang it well" or "She sang it differently than I am used to hearing it."

So to have Adam Neely pull the arrangement apart like my Lit professors did I find quite interesting and makes me appreciate the fact that the anthem was arranged deliberately to tell a story that is different than usual. It also makes me appreciate that the singer is largely just a tool to be used by the composer/arranger and that she is on the composition.

The line La...And (at 11:30) which was a bit odd to me is in the composition and was deliberate - I would really like to know why he arranged it that way - I bet there was some point or message there. Neely seems to pass over it but the word Land is "broken" in two and no doubt there is symbolism in this that could imply the land is broken in two. As if part of the land is free but the other part not so much.

I appreciate that it is in a broadway stage vibe over the usual pop/R&B style.

 

RE: It's the way I felt taking Lit , posted on January 24, 2021 at 17:59:57
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 Yes. I went to NYU for graduate school in English long ago. There was one prof, the Irish critic Denis Donoghue, who could juggle the elements of a poem and reveal layers like no one I ever saw before. But Neely here has perfect pitch and more and can tear apart the chord variations and find beauty that is just amazing. I read Aaron Copeland's Uderstanding Music and took music theory and simple composition in undergrad...played a couple of instruments, but Neely just nails it. Better yet, without the analysis, I was moved by Gaga's performance, and I'm not usually a sap for the anthem.

 

GaGa, Whitney, Brian, posted on January 24, 2021 at 18:44:40
M-dB
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Posts: 295
Location: Nor Cal
Joined: June 26, 2014
 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=na_4hB3gXrk

 

perfect pitch or was she autotuned, posted on January 24, 2021 at 19:26:46
LtMandella
 if no autotune I am very impressed

 

RE: It's the way I felt taking Lit , posted on January 24, 2021 at 20:46:46
RGA
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Posts: 15177
Location: Hong Kong
Joined: August 8, 2001
 I can be moved by the anthem - and it's not even my anthem! I have liked many of them over the years and understand why they go gaga over the Whitney version but I liked this one.

 

This is the suped up "Oh Canada" version, posted on January 24, 2021 at 21:24:40
RGA
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Location: Hong Kong
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 LOL - You know I couldn't let it pass - our US/Canada friendly rivalry extends through hockey and of course beer.

:)

 

RE: perfect pitch or was she autotuned, posted on January 25, 2021 at 16:21:16
RGA
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Posts: 15177
Location: Hong Kong
Joined: August 8, 2001
 Generally, with most artists you can just search youtube and type acapella and live and there will be examples of their vocals sans autotune.

Examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvUAdqgSQnE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jJl_hFfWng

The TRUE Lady Gaga | No Autotune | Vocal Coach Ken Tamplin Reacts

 

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