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New Equipment II: pleasant surprises

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Posted on November 27, 2020 at 17:09:11
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On the other end of the subject: what upgrades/changes turned out to be even better than you had originally anticipated?

Me:

* Anthem MRX 310
* Roku Stick of some vintage

For both I'd call it the triumph of modern DSP and at a low (to trivially low) price.

The Anthem receiver (whose power amp I use only for rear surrounds) is a terrific surprise. In particular, how good is the Anthem ARC correction algorithm and how well it integrates a conventional sealed subwoofer with large dipole speakers (Magnepan 3.6R).

Anthem ARC, after modest adjustment from defaults (limiting upper frequency of correction most importantly) seemed to nearly fully eliminate the weakness of the Maggies and kept all of its strengths. The system now sounds truly amazing and immersive, and the Maggie mid bass opacity and excess resonance at 42 Hz is gone with the well-done subwoofer crossover.

The quality of the DSP/correction makes a giant difference, and I think Anthem (and by all accounts Dirac & RoomPerfect) are loads better than the typical Sony/Denon/Yamaha/Marantz systems.

What are the bonus features and very pleasant surprises:
* Dolby Volume. Real, physically calibrated to absolute SPL modernized Fletcher-Munson loudness correction, with no perceptual tonal shift other than "better!".
* Surround synthesis from stereo sources using Anthem's proprietary algorithms. These "AnthemLogic" modes are more tasteful and subtle than the other ones (Dolby or Neo:6), and still keep most of the sound quality from the front mains. I keep on 'AnthemLogic-Music' as my default mode, and it's always better than straight 2-channel stereo. Along with the ARC it's a clear improvement in quality & immersivity.

The internal power amp in the Anthem 710 demo I tested wasn't as good as an external amp, so I ended up buying the 310 (less power but same DSP) and use an external class D amp (NAD M22) for the front mains. (No center).


The other bonus is how good the cheap Roku stick is---this is the power of high volume consumer electronics. In a $50 equipment you get full on video processing after streaming on many channels, a remote, and now Netflix uses DolbyDigital Plus (the Plus is critically important and much improved over the non-plussed) which is automatically recognized by the Roku and passed straight to the Anthem. Sounds great to me for TV & film.

On the market An Anthem receiver with ARC runs used for $500-$600 and a Roku new for $50.

 

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pleasant surprise, posted on November 27, 2020 at 17:56:42
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Raspberry Pi to connect a hard drive with CD rips, downloads and digitized vinyl to a DAC as an input to my system. Less than $100 for the rPi. Several years back I spent more than a grand on an all the rave Oppo that was supposed to do the same thing which was a PITA to use and didn't sound all that good.

 

+1000.................. nt, posted on November 27, 2020 at 18:02:11
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nt



 

My first set of "good" speakers were some Sansuis, circa 1975 , posted on November 27, 2020 at 18:36:19
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You know the ones, the carved wood grills, 15" woofer, a midrange, tweeter, and super tweeter. Knobs and cr@p. I replaced those with a set of 3D Acoustics (intrnet piccy above) in about 1979 or 1980. Holy cr@p!! The difference was utterly night and day. Separation, tons more real bass from the stand alone passive sub, utterly non fatiguing but clear highs. I'm not saying they were the nee plus ultra of speakers but compared to those busy, non focused, Sansuis, they were


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RE: New Equipment II: pleasant surprises , posted on November 27, 2020 at 23:25:30
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Atma-Sphere MP-3 preamp replacing a Pass Labs Aleph P pre and Ono phono combo. I wasn't thinking about same manufacturer synergy (I had gotten a pair Atma-Sphere amps prior) and really did it to minimize the box count and I assumed it would be a lateral move, but it proved to be a not so insignificant improvement. Didn't cost me anything to make the switch either.

voolston - audiophile by day, music lover by night!

 

Dual 1209, posted on November 28, 2020 at 04:29:33
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Friend of mine gave it to me, he found it in his attic where it had been stored for at least 20 years.
Got it working, put a decent cart in it, and from the first grooves it was apparent that everything I knew was wrong. The ancient Dual crapped all over the air-bearing LT wonder I had been using for a decade.




The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

Something's Very wrong then.., posted on November 28, 2020 at 08:17:19
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I bought a then Vaunted 1209 New.
Kept it a whole week before returning it for refund. I naively believed the Brochure Babbles /Hype and assumed it would Better my Thorens.
Not even Effing similar let alone close sounding ... it was a poor sounding Rube Goldberg type contraption.
A memorable Lesson.
Still have / use the Thorens by the way.

 

No Thorens to compare it with..., posted on November 28, 2020 at 08:40:22
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But I had been using a Technics SL1210 MkII with a Trans-Fi Terminator arm for about 10 years before I got the 1209.
The old Dual crushed the Technics combo, which sounded really thin and bright compared to the Dual. The 1209 had a lot more drive even though it wasn't the quietest TT I'd ever used.
I don't have the 1209 anymore, gave it to a friend of mine who needed a turntable. By then, I had a better Dual, now using a Rega Planar 6.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

+1 RPI, posted on November 28, 2020 at 09:50:21
Pretty dern amazing

 

RE: Duals, posted on November 28, 2020 at 10:22:18
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good55, I chose a Dual 1009 as part of the package for my first stereo. I had little idea about quality comparison then but enjoyed it for several years.

Because of that I've always had a soft-spot for Duals. Then a few years ago an old friend offered his 1229 which he bought new but hadn't used for years, if I would pay for cross-country shipping. I was really tempted, even after looking at the Dual site on Vinyl Engine and the complexity of the Dual changers. But I looked at all my other projects and came to my senses and said, "no thanks".

Many fans remain for them.

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My first two real turntables were Duals, posted on November 28, 2020 at 10:33:31
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A 1229 in 1974 and later, when the belt drive 1249 was introduced, I snagged one of those. Huge mistake when I sold it to get an Optonica with an extra arm for reading the grooves with a light beam so I could punch a button on the deck to change tracks. It would almost never hit a quiet starting point on the track I'd select plus the heavy glass lid that outlasted the springs that held it open and just the overall complexity made it a dubious, at best, purchase. Miss those Duals.
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Still have a 1219 and a 1229Q, posted on November 28, 2020 at 11:21:49
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The 1219 is a keeper but I'll re-home the Q if anybody I know needs a TT.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

Thorens turntables, posted on November 28, 2020 at 11:34:05
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I bought a Thorens TD 124 with SME Series III arm and Ortofon 30H cartridge for the amazing price of less than $500. Being skeptical of vinyl, I didn't expect much. But I had to admit the sound was superb using a Parasound JC3 phonostage, JC2 preamp, and JC1 mono blocks. Although that ended of my skepticism about vinyl, I prefer Roon and hardly ever spin a disk of any kind.

 

RE: Push-pull forever, posted on November 28, 2020 at 18:37:19
After 20 years of building or listening to other's builds of single-ended, mostly low powered amps interrupted by the occasional KR Audio, Melody, ARC, or other store bought'ns, I have arrived at the amps I intend to be buried with.

Upon first listen, I was absolutely floored by the sound of my latest, 60 Watt KT-88 push-pull, thoroughly updated Mullard 5-20 circuit, mono blocks.

 

RE: Expectations exceeded, posted on November 29, 2020 at 06:45:42
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Most of my stereo system purchases have been pleasantly reinforced; I got what I thought I would for the money I paid. A couple of my purchases, though, did exceed my expectations, mainly because I didn't pay that much for them but they work well beyond what they cost me.

One component was a Goldring 1012GX cartridge, which showed up as a substitute (same price) for the 1006 I'd ordered. I still had my Music Hall mmf-2.1 and had added a Herbie's Way-Excellent mat and that made a noticeable difference but when I upgraded the stock Goldring Elan cartridge with the 1012GX I was amazed at how good that humble turntable sounded.

Another component that really impressed me was the Bluesound Node 2i network streamer/player. For $500 I wasn't expecting to hear the quality of sound that the little player offers, especially with an external DAC. It motivated me to start purchasing hi-res albums, which can sound as good or better than comparable CD or LP releases.

And I have to include a shout out to the Schiit Audio Loki Mini Tone Control. For $150 it transformed the way I set up my speakers and subwoofers, allowing me far more latitude in experimenting with placement and roll-off frequencies. My dream wish list would include a Legacy Audio Wavelet Processor but the Loki is a cheap alternative. :-)

Tom

 

A few bargain pleasant surprises , posted on November 29, 2020 at 06:54:30
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"What upgrades/changes turned out to be even better than you had originally anticipated?"

Bargains that surprised me:

* Raspberry Pi DIY builds for network streaming
* PS Audio NuWave DSD DAC
* Topping D90 DAC
* Bob's Devices CineMag 3440A* Step Up Transformers (SUT)

- Raspberry Pi: A Raspberry Pi based DIY streamer with all the parts can be assembled for under $100. You're basically just stuffing a small PCB into a case, flashing a SD memory card with your favorite OS/player, and plugging in a decent power supply - your choice $10 to $1000. Bryston's own BDP-Pi is $1500 and is built around the $30 Raspberry Pi board.

- PS Audio NuWave DSD DAC: The [discontinued] PS Audio NuWave DSD DAC was around $1200 MSRP but dealers and PS Audio often have a generous trade-in or trade-up program going. I paid about 60% of MSRP by trading in my previous generation PS Audio DAC. I put this DAC side-by-side [literally] with my $4000 Ayre QB-9 DSD DAC. I sold the Ayre and kept the PS Audio. Both are outstanding but I ever so slightly preferred the PS Audio in my setup. I still own it.

- Topping D90 DAC: I was skeptical of all the internet buzz around the $700 Topping D90 DAC especially some of the stellar specs and measurements posted to a popular website that is all about measurements with no regard for how an item sounds. I've owned gear in the past that spec great on paper and look pretty on the spectrum analyzer screen but fall apart miserably in how they actually sound. This was not the case with the Topping D90 DAC. It specs well but more importantly, it sounds great! I put it right up there with my PS Audio NuWave DSD DAC and the Ayre QB-9 DSD DAC. The Topping D90 a modern day bargain DAC.

- CineMag SUTs: To my ears the best sounding vinyl setups use a Step Up Transformer for the MC cartridge. In some cases I would run a quality MC/MM phono preamp in MM mode and drive it with a SUT because this often sounds better vs the MC amplification path built into many phono preamps. I have the Bob's Devices CineMag 3440 "Red" and still own it. The CineMag 1131 "Blue" is possibly ever so slightly better but I sold mine and kept the bargain CineMag "Red". *It was a bargain because I picked one up used for $300 years ago. I ended up selling the "Blue" for around $1000. The difference isn't huge. I have no idea what Bob charges these days for his best SUTs but the lowly $300 CineMag 3440 "Red" is truly a bargain. But it no longer matters to me as I gave away most of my vinyl and thoroughly enjoy hi-res digital these days.

A couple of my older Raspberry Pi streamers:

PS Audio and Topping D90 DACs - and two DIY Raspberry Pi 4 to the left:

My Bob's Devices CineMag SUTs:



 

AR TT (Shure cart) opened my ears. Had a Thorens and a Dual, too, but stuck longest with the AR. nt, posted on November 29, 2020 at 07:31:07
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I always wanted those! nt, posted on November 29, 2020 at 07:42:52
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RE: AR TT (Shure cart) opened my ears. Had a Thorens and a Dual, too, but stuck longest with the AR. nt, posted on November 29, 2020 at 08:37:02
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I've got a Shure V15 Type II Improved in me own dear AR XA right at the moment. NIB stylus.
Good match.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

No pics but..., posted on November 29, 2020 at 08:38:25
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Hafler DH-101 preamp ($75)
Dual 1219 ($25)
Fried Model RII speakers (free)
Dual 1209 (free)



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: No pics but..., posted on November 29, 2020 at 09:25:14
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Nice gear at great prices! And FREE is the best price of all. Can't beat that ;-)


 

+1 RPI, posted on November 29, 2020 at 11:55:31
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Raspberry Pi the bargain of the past few years for high quality audio? I think so!





 

RE: New Equipment II: pleasant surprises , posted on November 30, 2020 at 13:59:44
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My List from the last 20 Years or so ..........

1.) Raspberry Pi with PiCorePlayer ~ $100
2.) Paradox 1 Speakers from GR Research ~ $300
3.) Oris Orphean System Horns ~ $4000
4.) Hypex PSC2.400 Plate Amplifiers -Pair for ~ $800
5.) Welborne 45 SET Monoblocks ~ $2000




 

Acoustic Treatment, posted on November 30, 2020 at 21:50:46
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I realize many don't consider the actual room an integral part of the listening experience but IMO it is THE single most important factor to consider.

To that end, the value of acoustic treatment cannot be overstated. GIK made a huge improvement in my room. The difference was much more than any other component upgrade I've ever made.




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RE: Acoustic Treatment, posted on November 30, 2020 at 22:40:34
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I don't know that 'many don't consider the actual room an integral part of the listening experience'......
is actually supported by 'many' audiophiles.
Everyone has had an experience in setup and listning that has brought forth the value of proper setup and acoustics.
I'd go so far as to say it is anecdotal that you are mainly listeing to the room. Thus the importance of the 'in home demo'....

You bet. A proper listening room will elevate an average or good system to Very Good or Above Average while a superior system can become nearly transcendent.
I'd personally rather have a good system in a great room than a terrific system in a poor room....
Too much is never enough

 

RE: Acoustic Treatment, posted on December 1, 2020 at 06:13:01
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I guess for me it was when I actually committed to put as much money into the acoustic treatment as a component upgrade (for me the $ amount was well over a grand) that I really noticed a substantial improvement in sound quality.

Before that, I sort of dabbled at it but never treated it as an actual component, per se. I firmly believe the room is the most important part of our hobby. I was really reluctant to spend what I considered "real" money on treatments when I could buy an actual stereo component instead for the same amount of money.

Now I know better.
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RE: Acoustic Treatment, posted on December 1, 2020 at 10:43:11
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I see the ONLY problem as being actually getting stuff installed and ACCEPTED by the spouse.

I live in a fairly small house and a dedicated and highly treated listeing area isn't in the cards.

If I had a dedicated listeing room? You Bet it'd get fixed.
Too much is never enough

 

RE: New Equipment II: pleasant surprises , posted on December 1, 2020 at 10:54:20
ALMOST everything I have bought in my "career" has been a serious upgrade over what it was replacing, so I would have to say that although MOST everything I bought wound up being a significant sonic improvement, I was pretty much always expecting something great.

I suppose that when I decided to replace my JVC AV receiver (in '94) with Cary's most basic stereo tube amp (four 6550s) I really did not know what to expect, & I must have liked it a lot, because I have never looked back.

 

RE: New Equipment II: pleasant surprises , posted on December 1, 2020 at 11:48:25
I will add to the above: possibly my B&W 805s. They replaced a pair of NHT two ways, & although I knew that they were way way better speakers, it may be that they knocked my socks off even more than I thought that they would.

 

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