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Sign of the times we live in?

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Posted on July 12, 2017 at 09:58:51
magiccarpetride
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 I created a discussion thread on one of the music discussion forums, and after a few interesting posts and comments, my thread was deleted by the admins. When I asked them why was the thread deleted, they replied that the thread got deleted because thread title contained the word 'worst', and that word is not allowed on their forum (sic!)

I then asked if the word 'best' is allowed, to which they replied 'of course, by all means'.

So we seem to be living in the age that I could label 'Terror of Positivism'. Only positive words and expressions are now allowed.

So my question is: what's next?

 

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Maintaining an advertiser/sponsor friendly environment..., posted on July 12, 2017 at 10:48:15
Steve O
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 ...without regard to individual participants seems the rule these days.

 

How about Wurst? NT, posted on July 12, 2017 at 10:48:47
George S. Roland
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 NT

 

This is the worst topic ever, inside General ~ nt, posted on July 12, 2017 at 10:51:40
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Why don't catfish have kittens? (Moe Howard 1937)

 

Where?, posted on July 12, 2017 at 11:00:29
The Bored
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 >>I created a discussion thread on one of the music discussion forums,

Which "music discussion forum ..."?


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Not the worst thing I've read..., posted on July 12, 2017 at 13:04:48
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 not even today.

Sounds like a good forum to avoid, you don't want to ruffle any feathers.

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You should tell us which board so we can post there about knockwurst, Liverwurst,& Bratwurst, posted on July 12, 2017 at 14:08:16
artemus
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 Maybe we could write a little song about them and post the lyrics there.

Oops! My sarcasm is run amok again.
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You paid HOW MUCH for that electrical receptacle?!!! Are YOU nuts?

 

RE: You should tell us which board so we can post there about knockwurst, Liverwurst,& Bratwurst, posted on July 12, 2017 at 14:12:05
magiccarpetride
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 What other forum if not Steve Hoffman Music Forum:

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv

 

RE: You should tell us which board so we can post there about knockwurst, Liverwurst,& Bratwurst, posted on July 12, 2017 at 16:13:19
fantja
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 The SH forums do not support the 1st Amendment either. Sad.

 

I've gotten info there but never posted. Didn't realize, posted on July 12, 2017 at 17:02:47
artemus
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 the forum banned descriptive words.
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You paid HOW MUCH for that electrical receptacle?!!! Are YOU nuts?

 

RE: I've gotten info there but never posted. Didn't realize, posted on July 12, 2017 at 22:34:31
magiccarpetride
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 The real problem is that they're being extremely uncivilized by enforcing double standards. Also, when I asked them to give me the list of words that are not allowed, so that I refrain from using them, they refused to oblige me. Which means they don't really have that list, they just love to harass people on a whim. Bastards!

 

Was the posted phrase "worst mullet"? NT, posted on July 13, 2017 at 09:11:51
DeKay
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RE: You should tell us which board so we can post there about knockwurst, Liverwurst,& Bratwurst, posted on July 13, 2017 at 11:26:58
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 I went right on over to look around. The second thread under 'normal threads' is "Artists with the worst sound." It runs to nine pages.

Someone must not like you.

 

Not a music forum here..., posted on July 13, 2017 at 11:37:19
mkuller
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 ...that's important information you left out.

 

get over your negative self. , posted on July 14, 2017 at 13:22:23
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 Boo hoo you got bounced .

And yes, definitely, It certainly is an indication a societal collapse, as you seem to want to complain about. You should get to a bunker as quickly as possible ,probably for about ten years, or until this thing blows over.

Unless you run the place, you are a guest, and I have never heard of a good guest who would insist on running the show the way they want. Especially when money is involved.

There are plenty of places to post , why complain when you have no control, it is the way they choose to run their business.

I often fall into negativity, it is easy to do on the internet. my challenge is to then recast my thoughts into something more positive ,instead of becoming a well known drag. I have indifferent results, but continue to strive for something beyond the power of anger. I don't need illusions like that, it can mess a guy up.

 

RE: get over your negative self. , posted on July 20, 2017 at 10:41:37
magiccarpetride
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 You make some good points, no doubt. While I agree, I would just like to clarify that I'm not complaining about that particular forum, I am merely pondering the ramifications of the increasingly oppressive language policing. I think we're just looking at the tip of the iceberg. Banning a word, any word, from the human vocabulary cannot end well. They tried that kind of censorship in the now defunct Soviet Union, and it imploded.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

 

RE: get over your negative self. , posted on July 21, 2017 at 03:19:32
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 Perhaps the objections are to your general tone, and the moderators struggle t explain it in a simple policy, but, "Know it when they see it", like the supreme court once viewed pornography.

That's what I was trying to say, conversation is called an art, because it can be, and should be used with skill for maximum enjoyment. It is pretty easy to get tired of a guy who never has anything good to say about anything, and keeps complaining as if all opinions that he doesn't support are inferior.

I certainly agree with your position on censorship, and by coincidence , was in the USSR before the fall, seeing censorship in action, where it even extended to personal comings and goings. I had some illegal surfer magazines that were prized by the young girls to see the western styles, and had some friends arrested and fined for taking us to see a church. The cops were waiting when we exited the church, fined the girls about a months pay each and lectured them for about an hour. They could have just disappeared them , if they made up a good reason.


However I do see a change in public conversations, a coarseness in some people who reject established social convention in favor of insults , justifying their actions by insisting that normal politeness can be ignored if you call it political correctness . Times change.

Be well.

 

RE: get over your negative self. , posted on July 21, 2017 at 08:19:34
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 "Banning a word, any word, from the human vocabulary cannot end well. They tried that kind of censorship in the now defunct Soviet Union, and it imploded."

I read Beach Cruiser's post of July 21, 2017 at 03:19:32, and his account of an incident in the USSR doesn't surprise me. Here's my somewhat similar story:

One summer, a few decades ago, the concert band in which I played did a 6 day 5 concert tour of Romania. One concert was in Bucherest, or, as I like to say, "beautiful downtown Bucherest". ;) You'll remember that Nicolae Ceausescu was the Communist Party leader in Romania. These concerts were during his regime. The last piece on our program was "The Stars and Stripes Forever". As the old saying goes, "the crowd went wild".

Afterward, in the auditorium lobby, I met a couple of nice, enthusiastic girls who were "so excited" to talk with an American. We ended up going to the nearby home of one of them for a snack and some tea and to talk. When I asked about the political environment and what it was like there, one of them said, quote: "It is best not to talk about it. The walls have ears." I'll never forget that chilling comment. As we parted, she also said, "Please do not forget me, my American friend." I never have, and I think about her often.

Back to your comment: "Banning a word, any word, from the human vocabulary cannot end well." Yet, there is a U.S. population demographic which does exactly that, and more, to influence and control social behavior to their liking, and who can speak or not speak. Look where it's gotten us - so far.

:(

 

RE: get over your negative self. , posted on July 21, 2017 at 10:07:57
magiccarpetride
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 Thank you for your thoughtful reply, and for sharing your experiences behind the iron curtain.

Your words helped me clarify and articulate my sentiments a bit better, so now I'd like to take this opportunity to extend on my original post. Recall that I've originally mentioned the term I've recently coined in my head -- Terror of Positivism. I think your critique of my post edges toward the insanely unbearable positivism that is now permeating every pore of our socially constructed 'reality'. Why do I say that? Because by insisting that everything be positive in the discourse, we are risking to toss the baby out with the bathwater. Yes, the dirty bathwater needs to be discarded and pronto, and in this metaphor it refers to the ugly rejection of social norms and basic politeness. In that, without a doubt, we all agree here.

But what does the baby represent? It represents critical thinking. Rational thinking, governed by the laws of logic, seems to be outlawed these days. Anyone who tries to criticize something, to analyze something, to yell "Look, the Emperor has no clothes on!" is labeled as a rude, negative person. Even as a terrorist!

I vehemently protest against this terror of positivism!

 

RE: You should tell us which board so we can post there about knockwurst, Liverwurst,& Bratwurst, posted on July 21, 2017 at 20:21:28
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 I suggest you read The Constitution, it applies to the government, not to private entities. You don't have the right to come into my house and demand your right to rant.


When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it. ~ Bernard Bailey

 

RE: Sign of the times we live in?, posted on July 21, 2017 at 20:23:35
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 I'll trust the Gorts at SHMF any day over a self-entitled ranter.


When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it. ~ Bernard Bailey

 

RE: Sign of the times we live in?, posted on July 24, 2017 at 13:04:44
magiccarpetride
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 I'll trust the Gorts at SHMF any day over a self-entitled ranter.

Amazing! So you trust some paid bozos to dictate which words your are not allowed to use? What meds are you on, if you don't mind me asking?

 

RE: Sign of the times we live in?, posted on July 26, 2017 at 18:41:06
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 This is what the world is coming to.

Eventually there will be no criticism allowed whatsoever, even of a musical piece because it may offend someone who likes it. Like if I criticise rap, they will come out and get me because I offended someone who likes to hear "BOOM MUFUKA BOOM MUFUKA BOOM MUFUKA". And of course blowing the trunk lid practically off their car and sounding like shit.

But that is where we seem to be going, 1984 is coming. It is mostly here. Just a bit late.

There is also the other side of the coin. I am on a couple of fora that are unmoderated. People get nasty. People are nasty. They talk each other into suicide. (that girl recently who got charged with manslaughter because she told the guy to get back in his truck) But it is not her fault he did it. It is his fault, plain and simple, she did not touch a thing, it was all of his own doing. Personally I think she got tired of him threatening to do it and decided to call his bluff. But she is going on trial for it. I think, if she knew his condition well enough, which she didn't and is not a health care pro, by telling him to get back in the truck to finish the CO job would be reckless endangerment. And that is only if she knew him well and believed he would actually do it. If some broad on the phone tells you to kill yourself, do you do it ?

But this site that removed the posts, don't post. Traffic is what keeps these places alive. If you do not contribute monetarily to AA, their revenue comes from hits on ads, and traffic. Got to have that traffic. If you are not pleased with their terms of service stop giving them your traffic.

I am on one now that has an unmoderated section. One of the ex moderators is in there. She is no longer a moderator, and now I can tell her what a bitch she is. If you want REALLY unmoderated, try Usenet. Never has been moderated, most of it anyway.

With any luck, people (lawyers) will stand behind the first amendment, but that does no good in a privately owned forum. Pressure can be put on the owners of course, with threats of leaving and decreasing their traffic, but in the end it is their decision. Sink or swim.

 

RE: Sign of the times we live in?, posted on July 26, 2017 at 19:03:16
magiccarpetride
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 This is what the world is coming to.

Thanks for the nice writeup, I tend to agree. I am not against moderating posts, and I am all for banning any ad hominem posts. Any personal attacks are troublesome, and should be moderated.

But that's different from expressing one's opinions on some topic. For instance, if I say that I hate eating beef, why should my statement be banned. It's my personal preference. I'm not attacking anyone, nor am I threatening any person.

So my thread contained the word 'worst'; but I didn't use that negative word to denigrate or belittle any particular forum member. I was using it to denote the sound quality. Like, 'the worst sounding recording'. And it got banned just because it contains the word 'worst'.

I think that's alarming to any civilized person.

 

RE: Sign of the times we live in?, posted on July 27, 2017 at 17:43:09
JURB
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 First of all, how the hell did you get italics in here ? Does normal HTML code work ?

But the ad hominems need to be eliminated. I am on one, a kinky sex site, where one member calls people felchgobblers. Do you know what felch is ? It is the mixture of semen and feces after anal sex. He has no right to call people that, and I am convinced he owns at least part of the site because otherwise he should have been banned years ago. If calling someone a felchgobbler is not ad hominem I don't know what is.

I got posts pulled here over a technical issue. The PTB believe I am wrong, but I know better, and I am not going to bring it up again, think what you want. I got the experience and the knowledge to know I am right.

But I had in some posts "another one who doesn't know what he is talking about". Doesn't matter if it is true. We are all t the mercy of those who run the place. And the issue was not that important. If I wanted to pursue it I could break out some test equipment and a video recorder and prove my point, but why ? I have not been hired as a teacher.

"For instance, if I say that I hate eating beef, why should my statement be banned."

Technically, if it was a group all about beef, maybe it should. But that is apparently not the case. I can also see that posting pork recipes on a Jewish site might not go over too well.

"So my thread contained the word 'worst'; but I didn't use that negative word to denigrate or belittle any particular forum member. I was using it to denote the sound quality. Like, 'the worst sounding recording'. And it got banned just because it contains the word 'worst'. "

I agree with you on this. The only option you have is to stop going there. It is still their site and they can do as they please. The Constitution only stops the government from prohibiting free speech. If you don't like what someone is saying in your business or home or yard, you can throw them out. That is your right.

There are limits on what you can do about this. At your home you can get the people who bring the beer to not go to the other place. You can draw members from one site to another. You can get people to leave a bar and go to a different one. But a website is technically private property.

Do as thou wilt. If you can contact other members of that site you can invite them elsewhere. Cost them that traffic.

 

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