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Simplicity of downsizing....

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Posted on March 22, 2017 at 13:00:09
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Have begun the downsizing, and I like the simplicity of the new system, which actually sounds better than ever.

Preamp (Pass Labs X1) and amp (Pass Labs X250.5) replaced by Pass Labs INT-250.

Don't need so many Lovan audio racks now either (sold 4 of them)

Turntable (Micro Seiki BL111) out of system as I get ready to sell it. No more phono preamp. Records all gone now too (sold the lot to a friend)

Subwoofer (REL Strata III) sold--don't really miss it at all as the INT-250 provides much better base for the Maggie 3.6s.

I feel there is a bit of zen eloquence with the new setup. One source (Marantz SA15-S2), one pair of interconnects (instead of several before), one integrated, one pair of speaker wires, and one pair of speakers. And a good listening chair.

 

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RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 22, 2017 at 15:12:43
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It looks fantastic, slapshot. How long have you lived with this set-up? No downsides going with an integrated?

The reason I ask is because I'm looking into new amplification (want more power than the 50 watts I'm using now). I'm thinking of going the pre/mono amp route but the simplicity and savings of an integrated is tempting. I'm actually using an integrated now.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Cheers,

Scott

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 22, 2017 at 15:27:52
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I've had the INT-250 now for a couple of weeks. It is actually a significant improvement over my previous separate Pass Lab amp and preamp. It seems ideally suited to driving Maggies. I think there are very high quality integrated amps out there (Pass Labs being near the top) that are very much worth considering. I never expect to go back to separate amps and preamps. There is some irony in saying I'm downsizing when the INT-250 weighs in at 105 lbs, but it is a much simpler system.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 22, 2017 at 16:11:22
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I'm a big fan of integrated amps. They do simplify things, without much if any sacrifices. There are many good ones out there.
The INT-60 serves me well, and I have no desire to go back to separates.
Enjoy,
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RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 22, 2017 at 16:12:10
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That is very cool, slapshot. That amp is a beast. The inside is a work of art. I'm sure if I had the budget for the INT-250 I'd be set as well.

Enjoy your new amp, slapshot. You've got something special there.

Cheers,

Scott

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 22, 2017 at 16:50:32
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A turntable is like a fireplace. Not essential, but life is better with it. Still, congratulations, getting to a Maggie-music centered life must be a great feeling. Keeping the room treatments also shows the right priorities.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 22, 2017 at 16:51:01
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Thanks, Scott. You can always look for bargains at RenoHifi on Pass Lab gear; Mark is a great guy to deal with and has been very helpful to me over the years.

 

Thanks for that ..., posted on March 22, 2017 at 16:54:42
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A turntable is like a fireplace. Not essential, but life is better with it.

I like that ...a lot.

Thanks.

Dean.




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RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 22, 2017 at 16:54:54
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Yes, had the old turntable for over 30 years, and will hate to box it up and send it out. The final impetus came when a friend offered to buy all of my records--that sealed the deal (I can always go to his house now to listen to one of my old records if I want). But I found myself listening to records less and less over the years, and never could convince myself to buy any new/used records either. That being said, I'm not willing to go to streaming or computer downloads either. As such, what I have now seems to fit me pretty well.

 

That's Not Downsizing, posted on March 22, 2017 at 19:03:22
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That's downsizing.

You have a far better system than most humans walking the earth - audiophiles [especially] included. Upsized or downsized.

Someday, I'll have your system, or one like it.

I remain forever,
Severius! Supremus Invictus

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 22, 2017 at 19:13:34
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Having multiple systems I recently went the same route with the bedroom albeit a bit more conservative lol.

Pioneer Elite digital source, Kenwood KA-4006 integrated, and a pair of Klipsch Heresys series I.

With the high sensitivity of the Klipsch the little Kenny really shines, who says Heresys don't have any bass.

 

Well..., posted on March 22, 2017 at 19:38:17
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...if I'd known that system were available in pink, I would have gotten that! :)

 

Very nice...(nt), posted on March 22, 2017 at 20:37:00
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(nt)

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 22, 2017 at 22:21:02
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I've always tried to keep my systems simple. The simpler the better. I also have a thing for mono blocks so you can see how I'm conflicted. However a quality integrated gets you very close so you can focus on the music. That is the best example of downsizing I have ever seen.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 22, 2017 at 22:23:09
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Nice pics! slapshot

what kind of CD rack is in the bottom pic? Boltz?

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 22, 2017 at 22:45:21
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nice..life would be so simple if I could give up on records...:(

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 23, 2017 at 02:08:48
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I would like to have seen your system before you downsized..... [-;

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 23, 2017 at 04:02:31
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Nice setup, Slapshot!

I downsized my reference rig a number of years ago, mainly because I had gotten into a new-component-every-week cycle that had become quite wearisome (not to mention hideously expensive). The setup isn't nearly as elegant as yours--I still can't seem to manage my cables worth a damn--but, functionally, it is pretty simple. And I think the simplicity lends the music a certain "purity" that makes the act of listening easier.

Congrats on a really nice looking system. I see you have a Marantz Reference player. I have an SA-7S1 and love it!

This is a public service announcement . . . WITH GUITARS!!!

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 23, 2017 at 04:22:33
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I wish I could downsize life to such simplicity.

Bill

 

Before, posted on March 23, 2017 at 06:27:01
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Here are a couple of shots before the downsizing...




 

Nice!, posted on March 23, 2017 at 06:35:44
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I downsized my HT portion a few years ago, as I rarely use it.
Was: Aragon Pre-pro (unhook cables from 2CH, hook up to pre-pro when using HT), 2 Adcom stereo amps for each pair of surround speakers.
Is: Arcam receiver for movie time. 2CH didn't change, still move one set of cables for HT time; 10 seconds.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 23, 2017 at 07:12:29
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Hi Fantja, yes, a Boltz rack for the CDs.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 23, 2017 at 07:14:29
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I really like the Marantz SACD player. And the three companies represented here (Marantz, Pass Labs, and Magnepan) are, I believe, all quality companies. I do take that into consideration when purchasing gear.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 23, 2017 at 07:14:56
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LOL....the rest of my life is a mess, but the system is simple now. :)

 

RE: Nice!, posted on March 23, 2017 at 07:15:38
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Oh, and I should mention that I have MYE stands on the Maggies, of course. Those, too, are important!

 

+1, posted on March 23, 2017 at 07:17:54

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 23, 2017 at 07:46:41
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That's a wise move, investing in well-established and reliable companies. Certainly helps with resale.

That said, other than my Marantz, all my gear is from small, less visible manufacturers. I think they make outstanding products, but their low profile doesn't make for high resale values. Not that I'm selling any of my stuff anytime soon. :)

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I bet that sounds sweet ..., posted on March 23, 2017 at 08:27:33
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I like how you downsize.

That would be quite the opposite for me.

Thanks for sharing.

Enjoy !

Dean.




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RE: I bet that sounds sweet ..., posted on March 23, 2017 at 08:48:01
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Thanks Dean, if one can downsize and improve the sound, then it is a win win situation. I feel pretty lucky that it has worked out this way.

 

:) NT, posted on March 23, 2017 at 08:53:09
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Simplicity of downsizing., posted on March 23, 2017 at 09:17:19
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Sweet setup.

As someone with more shit than sense I can appreciate the clean and clutter free area. A friend has 3.5's (with subs) and they are very nice speakers.

I will not part with my turntable but if I had to I could listen to SACD any day of the week.

Definitely a nice system. ENJOY!

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing....(it's a tad long), posted on March 23, 2017 at 14:29:25
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And for some of us, life makes that downsizing choice for us. Might call it life simplified by fate, and for that I'm grateful because I never had the discipline to do it by choice. Grateful too because some have been downsized by poor choices rather than fate. Sometimes shite happens and it works for the good. Still have a decent 2ch. rig, but that downsizing thing has put it into, by necessity, a problematic room. Heck, that even worked out nicely since I was forced into a nearfield listening situation & by golly, I think I'm enjoying THAT more! I'm thinking more "cup half full" about things now, again, not by choice, but by those old winds of change that hit us every now & then. Geez, I just realized I've drug this post into a weird, half depressing & l o n g ramble. Sorry guys, I apologize, just clearing thoughts outta my rusty brain.
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RE: Simplicity of downsizing....(it's a tad long), posted on March 23, 2017 at 14:34:35
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Not depressing, just realistic. Indeed, one motivator behind my downsizing was, well, age. There will be one more step in a few years when I retire and probably move, leaving my dedicated listening room behind. The speakers will go as will the INT-250, and I'll get a Pass Labs headphone amp...the next downsize after that will be surround sound for my coffin.

As Ian Anderson put it, "Life is a long song, but the song ends too soon for us all."

 

Looks nice!, posted on March 23, 2017 at 14:38:46
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I know you've said you're not going there, but the ultimate downsizing is eliminating not only your vinyl albums, but all the jewel boxes as well.

You really should try out ripping your digital content to a server. I cannot begin to tell you the convenience and flexibility of having instant access to your library from multiple systems including mobile ones.

 

RE: Looks nice!, posted on March 23, 2017 at 15:24:44
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True. But, as I said, just don't want to go there. I can live with my CDs and SACDs...but I can imagine having thousands of digital files and then, poof, a new digital storage format comes along and I will want to change them all to the new format. Just don't even want to tempt myself. Life really is getting a bit too short.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing....(oh my!), posted on March 23, 2017 at 16:39:00
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Hey Slap, slow down there buddy, you're starting to bring ME down now. Age has snuck up on me too, I retired 7 years ago but I'm still hanging in there & enjoying whatever comes down the pike. Like me, you'll probably be in for some surprising surprizes. Oh man, did I really just write that sentence with that "surprize" thing in it? Welcome to old age & unpredictability. I think.
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RE: Simplicity of downsizing....(oh my!), posted on March 23, 2017 at 17:11:40
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LOL, Sorry! The important thing is that we still have music to listen to, in whatever form.

 

Then poof..., posted on March 23, 2017 at 18:54:33
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You merely transcode them in an unattended batch process. Which is what I've already done to support my new truck's Apple play which only supports MP3 and AIFF. And to MP4 for my iOS based mobile devices. No more difficult than using Google translate for languages.

When you capture all the resolution from your CDs in a lossless format, there really are no limitations. And enjoy higher resolution PCM and DSD formats as well.

 

RE: Then poof..., posted on March 23, 2017 at 19:07:51
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Yes, but, I'll still pass. I'll leave all of this to a younger generation.

 

Younger generation?, posted on March 23, 2017 at 19:10:50
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I turned 60 this week. And enjoyed hiking the Olympic National Park rainforest the past couple of days :)

On my last flight home in a few minutes...

 

Is that the Micro from 2008?, posted on March 23, 2017 at 20:46:25
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Sounds like you got almost a decade of enjoyment from it!

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing....(one last thing, I promise), posted on March 23, 2017 at 21:45:07
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Slapshot, I neglected to congratulate you on your efforts & how much, for me, less stressful it looks. All gorgeous equipment both before & after, but well done my man. Many years ago I had a pair of Maggies powered by Hafler, with an AR TT. Very modest to be sure, but sounded very nice. I now have mid-level M.L.spkrs, Project TT, Emotiva CD & a Sheng-Ya Hybrid Int. Amp (don't ask, it sounds very good & I got it at floor model cost). My only regret is getting rid of the Maggies. To my old ears though, it all sounds nice for the modest level in which it resides, according to what I see most AA members have. So anyway, as my Granny used to say as she went out the door, "Okay little D, I'm gonna do something the devil never did, I'm gonna leave you for a while". Thanks Granny, I think.
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RE: Is that the Micro from 2008?, posted on March 23, 2017 at 21:59:15
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No, I purchased the Micro Seiki in 1982, in Japan, so it's been with me for a long, long time.

 

RE: Younger generation?, posted on March 23, 2017 at 22:03:20
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We're the same age, and I'm from Washington State--nothing compares to the Pacific Northwest. For whatever reason, I have no interest in ripped or computer based music. I have to deal with changing formats all the time with the software I use at my job; just not interested in it at home.

Most of the younger generation, like my daughter, will not know much about records or CDs. In the end, it's not the format that matters; it's the music.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing....(one last thing, I promise), posted on March 23, 2017 at 22:07:54
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Thanks, david,

I was introduced to maggies in college; took a long time before I could afford them myself, and even longer before I could maximize their potential (which I think I've come close to at this point). This really is a lifelong hobby, and it keeps changing all the time.

 

RE: I bet that sounds sweet ..., posted on March 24, 2017 at 05:07:37
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Sorry to ask this question but do you really feel the CD music sounds better than the LP in your system? Or the convenience of the simple system compensates?

Cheers
Bill

 

RE: Is that the Micro from 2008?, posted on March 24, 2017 at 05:24:08
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Wow!

So the downsizing is for REAL. :)

Looks great! Owning those speakers has always been on my bucket list. I'm sure the system is sounding great!

 

RE: I bet that sounds sweet ..., posted on March 24, 2017 at 05:45:28
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If it is a good recording, I think it sounds as good as a record; if it is a bad recording, then no. The main issue is that most of the music I listen to is on CD as I haven't purchased any records for decades, and buying all of the music I like (if even available) on vinyl would be very expensive, indeed. So there is some practical considerations here as well. In addition, having the chance to sell my 250+ record collection to one individual, who is a friend, made the decision a bit easier.

If well recorded SACDs were available for everything, the decision would have been very easy. I would say, however, that this decision is probably about 10 to20 years in the making as I really do hate to part with a (very good) turntable that I've had for 30+ year.

 

RE: Younger generation?, posted on March 24, 2017 at 07:41:56
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In the end, it's not the format that matters; it's the music.

Exactly! And now all of mine is portable and accessible across all my systems without having to schlep media around!

There was a time years ago when I burned copies of CDs for the other systems. Boy, was that a pain!

 

Ultimate downsizing, posted on March 24, 2017 at 09:35:29
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Even more so would be to buy powered speakers and feed them from from a laptop or other file storage device. Then you'd be down to two components and one of those could be kept in a drawer.

That's not for me as I don't mind the additions of my vinyl playback, plus I feel similar to slapshot in not wanting to become involved with digital downloads. This old dog is not interested in learning new tricks. ;^)

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Thanks, posted on March 24, 2017 at 10:30:36
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Getting rid of that lovely Turntable must have been painful. But then you are a pragmatist. Hope there would be SACDs for all your favorite music.

I love that triangular detail you have at the corners between the walls and the ceiling.

All the best

Bill

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 24, 2017 at 10:46:34
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Your downsizing efforts cost $30,000 more than my more elaborate system. Downsizing can cost you. Nice system by the way...

 

RE: Younger generation?, posted on March 24, 2017 at 10:50:12
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Interesting, but I don't want to take my music with me everywhere; I like listening to it in my listening room. When I'm in the car, I like listening to NPR; when at work, I like listening to Pandora so that I can be exposed to new music. But the real listening has to take place in the listening room.

 

RE: Younger generation?, posted on March 24, 2017 at 11:04:50
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Interesting, but I don't want to take my music with me everywhere...But the real listening has to take place in the listening room.

To each his own I guess. I listen as many hours to the modest garage system in good weather as I do the main system.

And occasionally in the bedroom using an iOS device and Shure SE535 IEMs - or when I'm on the lawn tractor.

 

RE: Ultimate downsizing, posted on March 24, 2017 at 11:07:22
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I still have two turntables as well.

What I found most satisfying about having all my digital content in a single place - whether MP3, CD sourced or high rez download - is I find myself listening to a wider range of it. I enjoy letting either of the players randomly create a playlist where I'm frequently "re-discovering" old friends. :)

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 24, 2017 at 11:28:46
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Very nice. It seems you've arrived at the essence of your audio system, so a final fine-tuning might be of interest. Have you considered an upgrade of your cabling and AC delivery system?

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 24, 2017 at 11:38:21
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Yes, but I don't want to spend the money on it really, especially since it is not clear to me I will hear a difference. The only place where I would consider it are the interconnects between my player and the integrated. Those are $500 synergistic research interconnects--but I have no idea what would be an improvement and what would be a lateral move.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 24, 2017 at 11:49:00
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That's understandable. It can be a daunting effort to get a handle on without taking the plunge. However, if you can identify the sound quality of each of your components, and how well they seem to complement each other when appreciated as a whole (the gestalt of your system), cabling and AC delivery upgrades are at least very worthwhile things to research. I would start with a speaker cable upgrade since it appears you are using Monster Cable type speaker wires at this time.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 24, 2017 at 12:07:15
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No, I'm using an internal bi-wire configuration of Analysis Plus Oval 9 (to mid/woofer) and 12 (to tweeter). Also, after market powercords. So, none of the wiring is stock, or particularly inexpensive--though I decided not to get 30' of the $19,999.99/foot speaker cable that was posted here a while back! :)

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 24, 2017 at 12:19:14
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Cool, that's good to know, slapshot. What make/model AC outlet is installed at the wall?

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 24, 2017 at 12:29:31
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I don't remember, but it, too, was after market, and plugged into it is a Shunyata Guardian 4 powerstrip.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 24, 2017 at 12:31:43
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Thanks....took many decades to get here....time for my hearing to degrade every more rapidly! Who says there isn't irony in audio. :)

 

NO NO NO- You NEED MORE, You ALWAYS Need More !, posted on March 24, 2017 at 18:16:28
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Seriously, I understand completely.

Sometimes simplification can improve the outcome by removing extraneous steps.

Enjoy.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 27, 2017 at 11:41:25
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If you can only have one source, yours is a sweet choice! I stumbled across my SA-15S2, and hope it lasts as long as I do.

After lugging 300 records around for 30 years, buying another 300, and inheriting 300 more, I couldn't give them up, I'm afraid.

The Marantz is the only digital I've heard that gives them competition.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 27, 2017 at 12:35:02
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Thanks. Certainly, no source is perfect, but I can live with the Marantz. Hope it never breaks! :)

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 27, 2017 at 17:47:11
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Hey SlapShot what is your room dimensions? I also am in the Great N.W. I ask because I have a dedicated room with 1.7's, wondering if the 3.6/ 3.7 would be two big. Thanking about up sizing! Thanks.

 

RE: Simplicity of downsizing...., posted on March 27, 2017 at 19:39:34
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Currently about 20' by 13'. I used to have 1.6s in a room that was about 13' by 13", and that worked although it was not ideal. 3.7s would have been too large for that room, but work great in this room.

I'm currently using the HK-Limage setup with the speakers about 8' into the room--a lot about that in the planar asylum. It can be quite amazing when it works.

I live in Colorado, but grew up in the PNW (and still consider that to be home).

 

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