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I absolutely love my PS Audio Direct Stream DAC

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Posted on April 9, 2017 at 11:55:56
Jay Buridan
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Obviously, everything depends on system synergy, and the Direct Stream makes a good fit with Tannoy 215 DMT II speakers, Cary SLP 05, Art Audio Jota monoblocks, and Wyred 4 Sound server.

I no longer miss the sound of vinyl, and I love the convenience of having my library on a server.


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RE: I absolutely love my PS Audio Direct Stream DAC, posted on April 9, 2017 at 12:10:59
Great!

What Dac did it replace?

What digital front end are you using?

 

This is my first stand alone DAC, posted on April 9, 2017 at 12:54:56
Jay Buridan
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After much DAC research, I made a good choice IMHO. Being fed by W4S Server.

Previously was using Cary 303/300 CDP that I'll keep, too.

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RE: I absolutely love my PS Audio Direct Stream DAC, posted on April 10, 2017 at 10:12:58
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By the way, I owned the Cary SLP-05 several years ago and it was my all time favorite tube preamp. It looks like you have a cutout in the shelf above the preamp which means all that heat goes straight up into your new DAC. I don't remember if the preamp power supply cord was long enough to allow the two pieces to sit side-by-side instead of one on top of the other.

I have the entry model PS Audio NuWave DSD DAC which I consider to be somewhat of a bargain in recent DACs. It replaced my x3 more expensive Ayre QB9-DSD DAC. I actually prefer the PS Audio. I'd love to try PS Audio DirectStream Jr DAC someday.

Enjoy!


 

RE: I absolutely love my PS Audio Direct Stream DAC, posted on April 10, 2017 at 12:53:17
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I do as well. I predict it will become known as a legendary breakthrough product, putting to rest any legitimate criticism of digital audio as inferior to analog. It is so versatile. I run the optical audio digital out from my TV through the optical input in the PS Audio unit, on to preamp. Movies and shows sound fab, and the music channels sound almost listenable!

Neal

 

ME TOO!, posted on April 10, 2017 at 13:41:01
panhead
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Especially using the I2S input. Have not tried the bridge but would like to someday.

 

Abe, there is a cutout above the SLP-05, but, posted on April 10, 2017 at 14:38:48
Jay Buridan
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I left some breathing room for the tubes.

Hopefully, the heat isn't great enough to cause a problem. So far, so good...

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You guys certainly are more enthusiastic than the SA-10 crowd...nt, posted on April 10, 2017 at 15:03:05
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I completely missed the SACD fad, posted on April 10, 2017 at 18:50:35
Jay Buridan
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Avoided it because the discs were so expensive. Now I'm loving my redbook collection.

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CDs at 10X DSD?, posted on April 10, 2017 at 20:05:47
oldmkvi
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Tha Marantz only does 4X DSD.
I love 2x, tho, still pretty good.
I would love hear both the PS and Marantz here...

 

RE: I absolutely love my PS Audio Direct Stream DAC, posted on April 10, 2017 at 21:42:04
Mikey8811
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Hi

I am using the DS too with a SLP 05. It is a good synergistic combination.

What cabling do you run between them?

Have you tried running the Cary CD player via its digital outs to the DS to see if there is an improvement using it as a transport with the DS as a DAC?

 

RE: CDs at 10X DSD?, posted on April 11, 2017 at 05:07:30
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Just as a point of information and forgive me if I'm stating what you already know. Although the PSA DS DAC does upsample everything to 10X DSD what's output is 2X DSD.


Joe

 

A different view ... , posted on April 11, 2017 at 09:08:23
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I am glad you and others have found the DirectStream DAC to your liking. So much does depend upon system synergy.

In my system, in my dedicated listening room, I have had a different experinece. I used the DirectStream DAC connected to the PSA DirectStream Memory Player by I2S ICs (0.6 m & 1.0 m), feeding SS amplification to full range speakers all via balanced ICs (see my main system). "Pure" audio was toggled "on" and the latest software updates were loaded (2017). After extensive "running-in," a persistent difficiency remained in the sources' reproduction of LF music when directly compared to an Ayre C-5xe MP.

First, I recognize and appreciate the high quality of in-home music reproduction the DirectStream combo provides. Very high quality tone, texture, decay, micro- and macro-dynamics throughout much of the audio frequency range. Hoewever, ... :

At music content near and below 155 Hz, an obvious departure from the duo's presentation at other frequency points occurs as a perceived roll-off of presence, texture, tone, and level. Initial pluck or strum of upright bass notes are softened almost to create the perception of a 6 to 12 dB, plus, difference from the remaining musical mix. And as the notes go lower, the perceived roll off accelerates. Also absent is the first wave impact of low frequency notes from upright or electric bass, massed string double bass, electronic synth, tuba, etc. In addition, the decay normally associated with LF string or piano is likewise lower in perceived level and discernable texture.

I compared the combo to my analogue set up and discovered that for music with frequencies between 100 Hz and above, the presentation is very similar except for some lack of decay (think triangle, chimes, xylophone) that may be attributable to Compact Disc recording limitations (compared same title on LPs and CDs or SACDs). The difference in reproduction of musical content with frequencies below around 120 Hz was less pronounced than when comparing level matched digital reproductions, but still clearly evident as a deficiency in the overall presentation.

I know that PS Audio claims the combo's performance is "flat" across the audio spectrum (presumably down to 18 or 20 Hz), but in my system that does not translate to balanced, coherent musical reproduction of the lowest frequencies in symphonic, jazz, and other acoustic and amplified music. Of equal importance to me is the corresponding lack of ambient venue cues presented in the PS Audio combo's reproduction of "well recorded" acoustic music (e.g., Cowboy Junkies "The Trinity Session," Ry Cooder produced "Talking Timbuktu," Mikey Hart's "Dafos," "CSO Brass Live," or studio: Patricia Barber's "Modern Cool").

I do recognize that the PS Audio combo has a very clean, transparent presentation at those musical frequencies that dominate most listening sessions. It is very nice in that respect. It just doesn't do it throughout the audible spectrum in my system.

Ah, system synergy ... .

 

Do you know why that is?, posted on April 11, 2017 at 09:11:16
oldmkvi
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Are we talking about the expensive PS Audio gear?
I'm surprised it isn't 10x at output-
Of course, I've only picked up snippets of info here and there.
Thanks for your input!

 

RE: Do you know why that is?, posted on April 11, 2017 at 09:18:18
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I thought we were talking about PS Audio. Yes, it ain't cheap. There is a smoothness to the sound of the DirectStream DAC which may be particular to DSD. But what I find is that when I listen to the Oppo 105D solo it sounds a little crude in comparison. Quite clear but less pleasing. Just my 2 cents.
Joe

 

The PS Audio adds said everything is converted to 10x DSD. It Didn't, posted on April 11, 2017 at 09:34:01
oldmkvi
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then say that only 2X DSD was output.
Seems like deceptive advertising.
Although You know, so it must be in the Documentation somewhere.
I'm not saying it doesn't sound great, tho...
Just wondering why they did that.

 

RE: The PS Audio adds said everything is converted to 10x DSD. It Didn't, posted on April 11, 2017 at 09:43:33
Joe Appierto
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In their web site they say:

"Unlike other processors available today, DirectStream unifies all inputs (PCM or DSD) at 10 x DSD, then uses a true single-bit double-rate DSD core engine. True DSD core engines (compared to the standard multibit Sigma-Delta converters followed by random lower quality multibit converters) offer advantages in simplicity, linearity, and in analog-like overload characteristics that avoid PCM's hard clipping potential and a PCM processor's propensity to mask subtle details."

From what I understand by upsampling so far as they do eliminates some issues. I'd be lying if I said that I understood all of this. It does sound very good but the DirectStream DAC is my only experience with the higher priced spreads.


Joe

 

Thanks a lot! nt, posted on April 11, 2017 at 09:52:59
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RE: A different view ... , posted on April 11, 2017 at 10:55:10
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Hi Lochrider

The DS lacks midrange richness and texture as well.

Selection of interconnects helps with this.

 

RE: A different view ... , posted on April 11, 2017 at 11:02:09
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That sounds like a description of tube/vinyl v digital. In my system the level of bass was always fine, perhaps even more via digital but between the two the tube/vinyl combo was just more realistic as it also is the HF texture realm. My DAC has tube out by the way. Thanks for the reply.




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Using Cardas Clear RCAs, posted on April 11, 2017 at 11:03:02
Jay Buridan
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Not using the Cary CD player now. Will use it in future when auditioning new discs, though.

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I'm happy with the frequency response, posted on April 11, 2017 at 15:58:59
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Gonna' measure with an SPL meter one of these days.

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RE: What is output is 2 channel analog! nt, posted on April 14, 2017 at 21:02:05
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;-)

 

Yes, of course. My bad :(, posted on April 15, 2017 at 01:33:24
Joe Appierto
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What I should have said was the DS DAC then takes the 10X DSD and uses a double rate DSD core engine to output the analogue signal.


Joe

 

RE: I absolutely love my PS Audio Direct Stream DAC, posted on April 17, 2017 at 05:57:18
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Can I use that directly with streaming services with My IPAD? or do I need something else to stream from my IPAD wirelessly?

Thanks

 

RE: Using Cardas Clear RCAs, posted on July 16, 2017 at 12:07:52
Mikey8811
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Are you also using Cardas Clear power cables.

I am looking for power cables for my DS DAC and Cary SLP 05 and wondering if Cardas Clear would sound good with them.

Thanks

 

No, I rolled my own AC cables using Oyaide parts, posted on July 17, 2017 at 22:32:03
Jay Buridan
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I spend less on HDMI and AC cables than on RCA and speaker cables. Works for me.

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