Mikey's return to tas?

And in other breaking news, Elvis has been found in a nursing home in Poughkeepsie. nt, posted on May 23, 2022 at 08:55:33
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If you thought audio was expensive,..., posted on May 24, 2022 at 09:21:18
DustyC Audiophile Posts: 963 Joined: November 4, 2000	I wonder how much cash they paid to pry him away?

It's true, I saw it on the Internet (nt), posted on May 24, 2022 at 11:33:05
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But Abraham Lincoln said that 38% of the stuff on the Internet was false..., posted on May 24, 2022 at 12:12:27
John Marks Manufacturer Posts: 7799 Location: Peoples' Democratic Republic of R.I. Joined: April 23, 2000	I read that on the Internet. cheers, john

Uh oh, posted on May 25, 2022 at 06:48:24
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RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on May 26, 2022 at 11:02:41
Leefy Audiophile Posts: 97 Location: British Columbia Joined: April 19, 2003	It does seem odd that there have been no new posts at Analog Planet since the 16th. Did you see a rumor somewhere? I did a search but came up with nothing. I'm curious as well Leefy

Maybe he took in the Munich show and hung around Europe for another week or two. nt, posted on May 26, 2022 at 11:59:18
viridian	Nt

RE: Maybe he took in the Munich show and hung around Europe for another week or two. nt, posted on May 26, 2022 at 12:27:13

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I saw Michael in Munich last week with his video recording equipment in conversation with a member of the HEGEL team. The following day (Friday) I saw him again in deep conversation with a turntable manufacturer. Stereophile's website said that MF was one of a number of their writers who was in Munich for the show. It's rather odd that he hasn't uploaded any video footage to the Analog Planet website though? I hope he is healthy and well. I noticed he wasn't wearing a mask when I saw him at the show. I wore an FFP2 mask throughout my attendance but I was in a tiny minority of mask wearers.

it could be a fake piece of info BUT..., posted on May 26, 2022 at 13:01:48
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Thanks for the info. nt, posted on May 26, 2022 at 13:24:49
viridian	Nt

RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on May 26, 2022 at 23:01:26
RGA Reviewer Posts: 15177 Location: Hong Kong Joined: August 8, 2001	Peter Breuninger(Formerly of TAS and Stereophile) who runs AVShowrooms posted the news to Facebook.

RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on May 27, 2022 at 02:02:22
Monchi Audiophile Posts: 576 Location: Cork, Ireland Joined: June 4, 2007	Here is the Facebook link https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=peter%20breuninger. Seems to be true?

Nice catch Tommy! Many of us who responded will be dining on crow this weekend. Nt, posted on May 27, 2022 at 11:32:52
viridian	Nt

RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on May 27, 2022 at 15:27:13
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RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on May 27, 2022 at 15:33:25
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RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on May 27, 2022 at 15:39:39

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Found this posted on the Steve Hoffman forum (link below).

Note John Atkinson's comment. Hmmm.
"All thoughts are prey to some beast" - Bill Callahan

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Reflect what you are" - Lou Reed

"Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth." - Albert Einstein

Michael Fremer is returning to The Absolute Sound

RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on May 27, 2022 at 21:10:17
Merlot_cat Audiophile Posts: 1437 Location: Northern Ohio Joined: August 7, 2002 Contributor Since: May 27, 2004	I wish him well at TAS, though I will miss him at Stereophile. I just hope he doesn't start to write that whatever he is reviewing is the best ever in the history of audio. This seems to be the default opinion in many TAS reviews. The whole problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. -Bertrand Russell

RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on May 28, 2022 at 10:23:15

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I don't think that I'll miss him at Stereophile. While it's interesting to read about 150K turntables, 30K tonearms and 15K cartridges just to see what the "other half" is buying it only has a tiny bit of relevance for me.

If Stereophile can come up with a more "down to earth" columnist who takes pleasure in reviewing the kind of gear that most of its subscribers are interested in I'll be happy, but not like some entry-level filler that they promoted with Mejias. Otherwise, if it goes down the tubes as many others are predicting we all tend to lose.

I've read issues of TAS and have not been impressed. Could this lead to the death of print hi-fi media as we know it? Or is Fremer's move as really aa inconsequential as I believe it is?

RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on May 29, 2022 at 01:36:09

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Mikey surfaces on AnalogPlanet with a Munich High End 2022 show report and video dated May 28, 2022. Approaching his last Stereophile/AnalogPlanet hurrah before he starts a new chapter at TAS.
"All thoughts are prey to some beast" - Bill Callahan

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Reflect what you are" - Lou Reed

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The World's Best High-End Munich 2022 Analog Coverage

RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on May 29, 2022 at 07:48:33
nvinyl66 Audiophile Posts: 151 Location: Canada Joined: December 8, 2005	To John Atkinson's (likely rhetoric) question: This was posted ahead of the part time audiophile note לבסוף, לאחד בשם מייקל פריימר היה חשוב לספר לנו חדשות, צפו לקרוא עליהם בזמן הקרוב. https://www.dtown.co.il/forum/threads/2-%D7%94%D7%A1%D7%A0%D7%98%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%99-%D7%9E%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%9B%D7%9F-2022.62671/

RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on May 29, 2022 at 22:50:46

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As I have said - it's still just a guy with his opinion - the opinions are no better than yours - they just happen to have a little writing flare.

Consider that most all magazines have various writers all of whom have different stereo systems. One reviewer likes tubes and HE speakers - the other has a high-power SS or class D system and LE speakers.

Some have backgrounds as musicians or recording engineers (although that doesn't mean you have good taste or can hear better) and many of them have very different tastes in music than the reader.

Before I became a reviewer I bought magazines and bought the well-reviewed pieces that measured well that I could afford and wound up with mediocrity. Once I began auditioning the award-winning amps and speakers and thought "well that STUNK" I began to formulate my own correlational experience.

And so for me - I found it more important to seek out reviewers who heard it like me and to a degree, I looked for correlation.

So if a reviewer I respected bought the speakers/amp and I saw several other reviewers buy the same speakers/amp and I saw consistent reviews at many different magazines then that was something to seriously consider. Add on some forumers who I respect then that is worth a try.

If a reviewer who, IMO always gets it wrong, touts some new amp or speaker then I am less enamoured to try it because past experience indicates I probably won't like it.

A good dealer in my opinion is a better resource than reviewers (sure they have a conflict of interest but so do a lot of reviewers and publications). But a dealer spends far more time with items in better environments than a show. My dealer in Canada attended every CES - carried most every brand new or used over 45 years - Terry heard it all, carried all the major brands at one point or another had a vast LP and CD collection in store for people to listen - it was a full repair facility that could repair and rebuild any speaker from Apogee or Quad to a boombox. Most reviewers are limited - it is not a full-time job - They don't have the space and if you pay close attention you will see that many reviewers often go back to the well.

What is the well - the same dealer importer. Look at some of the Stereophile writers and what they review and then look at Tone Imports. The dealer/importer preselects what is getting reviewed - they serve as a kind of sifter. I am not against that because I do that to a degree as well but what happens is that reviewers wind up reviewing gear from an importer they like or get along with rather than really being objective and discovering the best items that might be out there.

So if you see a reviewer in the US who reviews say Shindo, Sugden, DeVore, Line Magnetic, Leben and all those brands are carried by the same dealer (Tone Imports) then it's sort of like "what would you like me to rave about this month." Over finding the best gear. I suppose it could be a coincidence that you LOVE everything the dealer sells but that is definitely not my experience.

In Hong Kong my dealer carries Audio Note, Einstein, Roksan, Wilson Benesch, Rogers. Wilson Benesch was overpriced mediocrity thatwas trounbced by the Audio Note system in the next room for like 1/10h the price. Probably why I don't read John Marks because if he thinks that is the creme de la creme then man oh man. Most customers agree with me because WB was dumped. It';s hard when the $7,000 speaker is trouncing the $80,000 speaker in the next room. Einstein is okay but the speakers are middling - and look hideous. They don't seem to be selling too well so we'll see how long they last. Roksan is rock solid for the money and the Rogers speakers are really nice but expensive - you really have to like their sound.

I digress - the point is I am selective - not everything the dealer sells is great.

To be fair if you like a particular brand you will cover them more so you see a fan of Shindo will review more than one or like myself will cover Audio Note more because I generally want to hear more of it as you move up the chain (and there is a chain) - many brands only have a few products so they're often 1-2 and done. Some companies make a dozen or more amplifiers or several speakers or several CD players so they get covered more often than say a Sugden or a Pureaudio or Moonriver.

In the end - reviews are for entertainment - trust your ears - it's your wallet and you have to live with it.

Agreed, posted on May 30, 2022 at 05:42:44

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My first attempt to build a system was to audition products that had been well reviewed in the magazines, (post HP) TAS, Stereophile, some of the British magazines. It was not a success. I wandered out of several stores in bewilderment, not knowing what to make of it. One of the things that became obvious was that the presentations of well reviewed speakers such as Wilson, Sonus Faber, Magico and Spendor were so different that they could not possibly all be reproducing the sound of a live, acoustical performance. But it seemed the reviewers lacked a vocabulary for describing these differences. Instead they talked about the "palpability". And American reviewers were having some difficulty holding onto their jaws.

I eventually found a dealer that had equipment I liked, and worked with them to put together a system. When I mentioned the reviews to my dealer, they replied that most reviewers had small listening rooms, and couldn't properly listen to high end products anyway. The equipment that I ended up buying also had excellent reviews in the magazines, but by then it had become obvious to me that any equipment that was largely "okay" would get excellent reviews.

My dealer carried the Esoteric line, I wanted a streaming solution, and Esoteric had recently released their first USB standalone dac, the D-07, and first USB player and dac, Esoteric SA-50 CD (same internal dac, same synchronous USB connections.) I spent an afternoon listening to the full range of Esoteric CD players and dacs, from the X-05 to the P-03, with and without the master clock, and the conclusion was inescapable: by comparison, against any of them, Esoteric's first attempt at a USB dac didn't sound very good.

So, how do the magazines describe a piece of equipment that doesn't sound very good?

This from Robert Harley: "The Esoteric SA-50 is a remarkable piece of equipment, performing many of the different functions required of today's evolving digital front ends ... Even without these features, the SA-50 would stand on its own at the price for a CD/SACD player. The Esoteric also delivers musically, with a tremendous sense of palpability, clarity, transparency, and resolution. The presentation tends toward the incisive and vivid, which will suit some systems and listeners more than others."

This from John Atkinson: "The Esoteric D-07 offers solid construction, solid audio engineering, and equally solid sound quality. It presents a significantly cleaner, more sophisticated sound than the entry-level DACs, though its slightly dry soundstaging will work best in systems that are themselves a little laid-back. While the D-07 doesn't quite scale the sonic heights of the best D/A processors, it does get close for significantly less money than required by those high-fliers, and thus can be recommended."

At least Robert Harley explained in the body of his review why the SA-50 didn't sound very good when played through USB (which is the only reason anybody would have bought this dac/player): "when I used the SA-50 as a DAC for my music server (connected via the USB input), I found that the sound noticeably dropped in quality. Switching to the USB input made the sound hard, grainy, and bright, lacking air and transparency ... The culprit is not the SA-50's digital-input circuitry or DACs, but rather the USB interface itself. I discovered this by running USB from the server into a dCS U-Clock, which receives the data via USB and converts it to S/PDIF, and then feeding this S/PDIF to the SA-50. The U-Clock's Asynchronous USB interface eliminated the detrimental sonic effects heard when driving the SA-50 directly from the server."

John Atkinson didn't hear that, instead, he wrote "The sound via USB was grain-free, with voices sounding sweet, and was certainly competitive with the sound quality via S/PDIF or AES/EBU."

Best regards,
Daniel

Thoughts and speculation, posted on May 31, 2022 at 12:47:26

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Thoughts: I subscribe to both publications, and I'll miss Fremer's writings at Stereophile, even if I'll read them at TAS.

Speculation: Why would he leave Stereophile for TAS, given Stereophile's higher circulation? While I'm sure we will read part of the story, will we read the entire story?

Perhaps TAS offered him a King's ransom which he could not turn down? If I'm not correct, TAS is privately owned, and Stereophile is corporately owned. Perhaps the corporation gives Jim Austin a budget which he can allocate as he likes, and Fremer did not fit into that budget at the amount TAS was willing to pay him.

Perhaps Fremer feels he is nearing the end of his reviewing life, and decided, for nostalgia, to return to the place from whence he started?

I watched a video which Steve Guttenberg did with Andrew Singer, and Singer sent out a congratulations to Michael Trei on his new gig with Stereophile. As I've yet to see Trei's name on Stereophile's masthead, perhaps Trei will take over Fremer's column and website, as I believe Stereophile (or it's parent company) own both.

RE: Thoughts and speculation, posted on May 31, 2022 at 13:45:02

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I think Mikey's column has got jaded. Now that vinyl is back everyone writes about it so he doesn't have that USP anymore, and there are more and more expensive phono related products that they don't have star appeal anymore. And, he's been recycling a lot of stuff from WAM - interesting though it is - not much of it is really new. So, maybe he just needs a change of scene to get his mojo back.

I do enjoy his videos though - I would much rather have too much schtick in interviews than have them be mundane.

WAM?, posted on May 31, 2022 at 18:25:47
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suspiciously close to "1/e" percent, posted on May 31, 2022 at 19:02:04
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RE: WAM?, posted on May 31, 2022 at 21:24:41
Krav Maga Audiophile Posts: 2351 Location: Texas Joined: October 19, 2017	My guess is that he meant WA, Wilson Audio, a favorite of Mikey's. "All thoughts are prey to some beast" - Bill Callahan "I'll be your mirror Reflect what you are" - Lou Reed "Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth." - Albert Einstein

RE: Thoughts and speculation, posted on May 31, 2022 at 22:28:49

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Interesting. Trey has been writing for Sound & Vision (same owner as Stereophile) and used to write occasionally for TAS, where he was known as a turntable setup guru. So, yes, there's more than a good chance that Trei will take over or replace Fremer's column.
"All thoughts are prey to some beast" - Bill Callahan

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Reflect what you are" - Lou Reed

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Wilson Audio, Mikey's. Got it. (nt), posted on June 1, 2022 at 07:36:47
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RE: WAM Engineering..., posted on June 2, 2022 at 05:04:03

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Daniel, not sure if you've already figured out what the WAM reference was for but for those who haven't, it's WAM Engineering LLC. Link below.

Wally (Andrzej?) Malewicz was the founder.

Wally Tools

I hadn't, thank you (nt), posted on June 2, 2022 at 05:07:15
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That's the one, thanks for posting the link (nt), posted on June 2, 2022 at 19:19:38
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I don't remember ever reviewing an $80,000 loudspeaker from Wilson Benesch. Please point that out to me., posted on June 2, 2022 at 22:12:39

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HOWEVER,

Back in the day, when I had to be "Adele" to Harry Pearson, and threaten to "spread his shit all over town," HP eventually listened to the WB speakers he had been too lazy or stoned to listen to, and he wrote, IIRC, in issue #117, that had he not heard the Wilson Benesch ACT Ones, he would not have been able to put his finger on what was "wrong" with the midrange of a circa $80,000/pr. speaker from Burmester.

However, Harry, even with his reputation at risk, had to be the petulant little bitch. He titled his "second opinion" piece "The Color of Money," and made a pose of pretending that he could not figure out (poor lost child) whether the WBs' price tag of $12,000 was justified.

What I threated to spread around was that Harry was too lazy to actually listen to the speakers, and so he recycled a hit piece one of his little catamites had written for "Fi," despite the fact that that review was four years old, and did not represent current production.

Have fun with Audio Note. Overpriced and thin sounding.

jm

RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on June 3, 2022 at 14:50:21
sk Distributor or Rep Posts: 658 Joined: April 22, 2000	RGA I couldn't have said it better, agree on all your points. Reviewers are no better than the end listener it's just that they have a way of conveying what they hear with flair. There are few reviewers I ever agree with but once in awhile I do. Listen yourself and you can't go wrong. Well you still can mate speakers with a wrong amp or cable but you will eventually get it right.

RE: I don't remember ever reviewing an $80,000 loudspeaker from Wilson Benesch. Please point that out to me., posted on June 4, 2022 at 20:32:37

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You wrote:
-- What I threated [sic] to spread around was that Harry was too lazy to actually listen to the speakers, and so he recycled a hit piece one of his little catamites had written for "Fi," despite the fact that that review was four years old, and did not represent current production. --

That's quite the account.

If you aren't quite noticing or accepting what is really going on in the present,
but are responding based on your thoughts or feelings about what ought to be,
then you are apt to collide with what is really going on.

RE: I don't remember ever reviewing an $80,000 loudspeaker from Wilson Benesch. Please point that out to me., posted on June 5, 2022 at 19:39:16

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But this is just it John. There is a very big divide in people's tastes and a reason reviews often steer people in the wrong direction.

A person who likes WB and B&W in the case of you and KAL probably won't like Audio Note. Although I am willing to bet out of the three of us only I have compared the speakers directly against each other in the same room and not just auditioning them under show conditions or comparing what I have at home versus the competing product under show conditions.

Sorry, this is the second time I have used reviewers' names to illustrate a point that's not really about you or reviewers but more to illustrate an overarching point about the whole process. People who love B&W and WB probably should not bother reading what I have to say because I am not the ears they should be trusting. It goes both ways.

The reality is most higher-end products on the market that have been around will have "appeals to authority" figures whether they be reviewers, musicians, or recording engineers.

All the reader should be doing is finding reviewers who share a similar ear. Art Dudley liked the AN E enough to buy them - Wes Philips hailed an AN E as the best hi-fi he ever heard.

That's my point about magazines hiring reviewers with different tastes - then everything gets a great review - the advertisers are generally happy and everyone wins.

And ultimately the market decides what the best stuff is in the long run via second-hand market prices.

I had my Audio Note J/Spe speakers for 13 years and sold them for 20% more than I paid for them new. Not too shabby - the 3 competing speakers I could have purchased - well I would not only not have sold them for 20% more, but I would also have lost 60%! Though those other speakers had more rave reviews - the market knows what the good stuff is! (About as Capitalism as I get - trust the market and not the review hype.)

HP was before my time. It's okay I hear a lot of things about a lot of reviewers and dealers and manufacturers. I have met some in person who you would probably emigrate to avoid.

I wasn't knocking you, or was it my intent, just stating a fact that your taste and Kal's and JA's (either one) are not in line with mine - I was closer to Art D and Herb Reichert. In general the more tube guys and HE speaker guys in the Shindo, Line Magentic, AN, DeVore, - fatty speakers not skinny speakers.

I like my women slim and sexy and my speakers fat and ugly.

Thanks for catching the typo, posted on June 7, 2022 at 18:10:33

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That was during the time frame when poor Scot Markwell was more of a household domestic servant to a delusional Pasha, than an employee of a real business that was in the business of publishing an audio magazine.

The bluelines (IIRC) Sallie Reynolds sent to me included the snarky backstab from I Forget His Name that he, the Second Opinion Reviewer, could not understand why John Marks could not hear a rising treble that peaked at about +6dB.

THAT, while the loudspeakers I reviewed had NEVER left Harry's garage, and had never been unboxed, and that Second Opinion Reviewer lived in CALIFORNIA.

The bluelines I saw did not actually say that the Second Opinion Reviewer had listened to the same pair of loudspeakers... but that is what the readers would have assumed.

Wilson Benesch had that old review from "Fi" on file, and the shit surely hit the fan.

It was the beginning of the end for JM and TAS. If Agendas had been Airplanes, Sea Cliff would have been LaGuardia.

REG loathed Jonathan Scull, so if Scull liked something, REG went on Holy Jihad against it.

etc.

jm

RE: Thoughts and Prayers, posted on June 8, 2022 at 17:17:07
goldenthal Audiophile Posts: 1001 Location: Ontario Joined: March 28, 2003	Might this mark a return to at least some electromechanical testing of components? Jeremy

Might this mark a return to at least some electromechanical testing of components?, posted on June 8, 2022 at 18:28:40

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FWIW, Hi-Fi News And Record Review magazine, a UK partner magazine of Stereophile (same owner) performs electromechanical testing (Lab Reports) in their reviews of cartridges and turntables (including vintage turntables).
"All thoughts are prey to some beast" - Bill Callahan

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Reflect what you are" - Lou Reed

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RE: Might this mark a return to at least some electromechanical testing of components?, posted on June 8, 2022 at 21:39:36
goldenthal Audiophile Posts: 1001 Location: Ontario Joined: March 28, 2003	Many thanks! I used to read it years ago, then the mag disappeared from newsstands near me; then they disappeared too. I'm pretty sure that's where I used to read John Crabbe. In any case, I'll check on line. Thanks again, Jeremy

RE: Mikey's return to tas?, posted on June 15, 2022 at 07:38:18
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