Pinging Isaac Garvey

RE: Pinging Isaac Garvey, posted on June 9, 2017 at 19:32:18
Isaak J. Garvey Industry Professional Posts: 1207 Location: Hollywod, CA Joined: January 7, 2016	old news brah.

RE: Pinging Isaac Garvey, posted on June 10, 2017 at 05:21:47
John Atkinson Reviewer Posts: 4045 Location: New York Joined: November 24, 2003	>John Atkinson casually mentions MQA in the latest issue of Stereophile. Please don't feed the troll :-) John Atkinson Technical Editor, Stereophile

RE: Pinging Isaac Garvey, posted on June 10, 2017 at 06:27:03
Isaak J. Garvey Industry Professional Posts: 1207 Location: Hollywod, CA Joined: January 7, 2016	Have you have those socks that were blown off yet?

Casual?..., posted on June 10, 2017 at 10:07:02
musetap Audiophile Posts: 31872 Location: San Francisco Joined: July 8, 2003 Contributor Since: January 28, 2004	You sure it wasn't in passing? Keep us posted for when any casual/passing aspect gets upgraded to at least semi-concerned or better. "Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure

I hear there's an MQA app now, posted on June 12, 2017 at 08:16:40
4everyoung	Get instant alerts anytime MQA is mentioned anywhere in the known Universe.

RE: Casual?..., posted on June 12, 2017 at 11:30:25
Jeffrey Lee Audiophile Posts: 708 Location: Louisville Joined: September 24, 2002	If this is a grammar thing you're trying to get at here, casual mentions and passing mentions are equally correct and welcome. If you disagree, I'd find a grammar beef way more interesting than another round of MQA bitching and moaning.

I don't think Isaac is trolling, posted on June 12, 2017 at 12:10:54

DAP
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Posts: 668
Location: Toronto
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Isaac has made a fairly strong case that Stereophile is evangelizing and promoting MQA, by referring to the Stereophile articles themselves, and conveying his displeasure about that, with reasons.

I could understand a little better if the Stereophile articles were opinion pieces, but they don't read like opinion pieces, opinion pieces don't normally read as gushy adulation, but rather as evidence based judgment. Well written opinion pieces generally present the different sides before expressing a conclusion.

So, I guess the question is: for what reason is Stereophile writing about MQA in a way that, to a fair reader, seems indistinguishable from an advertorial? Why is Stereophile allowing itself to be co-opted by MQA marketing?

It's worse than that, some people are petting him (nt), posted on June 12, 2017 at 15:41:55
13th Duke of Wymbourne Audiophile Posts: 2794 Location: Orange Co., Ca Joined: September 19, 2001	nt

RE: I don't think Isaac is trolling, posted on June 12, 2017 at 16:58:01
John Atkinson Reviewer Posts: 4045 Location: New York Joined: November 24, 2003	>for what reason is Stereophile writing about MQA in a way that, to a fair >reader, seems indistinguishable from an advertorial? We report what we hear and measure in specific comparisons. No problem if your own experience of MQA in such comparisons is different from ours but that doesn't mean we are writing "advertorial." That's your projection. John Atkinson Technical Editor, Stereophile

Many here know best how to, posted on June 12, 2017 at 20:13:36
oldmkvi Audiophile Posts: 10581 Joined: April 12, 2002	1. Publish a Magazine 2. Compose Music 3. Conduct Music 4. Play Music 5. Record Music 6. Distribute Music 7. Listen to Music 8. Review Music and Equipment 9. Anything Else 10.---------- ( you fill in the blank )

RE: I don't think Isaac is trolling, posted on June 13, 2017 at 00:03:39

DAP
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Posts: 668
Location: Toronto
Joined: January 1, 2010

Thanks for the reply, appreciated.

Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting that the pieces are advertorials, I understand that Stereophile doesn't accept sponsored content. Only that to this reader they are indistinguishable from advertorials, which I think is unfortunate.

Best regards,
Daniel

... Publish a Magazine, posted on June 13, 2017 at 07:38:12
DAP Audiophile Posts: 668 Location: Toronto Joined: January 1, 2010	No one is suggesting that. Maybe the best way to publish a magazine is to publish articles like the one that Issac referred to, that read like evangelical, promotional pieces, rather than, say, the authoritative pieces that Charles Hanson has been contributing about MQA in the AA forums. I'm sure that "many here" can tell the difference, and realize they are not equal.

RE: ... Publish a Magazine, posted on June 13, 2017 at 14:13:11
13th Duke of Wymbourne Audiophile Posts: 2794 Location: Orange Co., Ca Joined: September 19, 2001	Charles's posts are interesting but there is a chance they are primarily intended to cast MQA in a poor light because if it became ubiquitous it could negatively affect his business. 13DoW

RE: I don't think Isaac is trolling, posted on June 13, 2017 at 14:34:11

John Atkinson
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Location: New York
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>Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting that the pieces are advertorials...

I understand.

>I understand that Stereophile doesn't accept sponsored content.

We don't usually. But we have done infrequently and then under the
guidelines from ASME, the American Society of Magazine Editors, which
include that such advertorials be marked "Advertisement," that they not
be written by the magazine's editors or writers, and that they not be
prepared by the magazine's production staff. I will leave it to the
inmates to decide if other magazines observe those guidelines.

>Only that to this reader they are indistinguishable from advertorials,
>which I think is unfortunate.

As I said before, we are reporting our own reactions to the comparisons
that were performed at the LAAS. I certainly don't regard it as my
responsibility to include either the negative opinions of people like
Isaac Garvey or the unfounded opinions of those who have never
performed such comparisons in our show reports.

John Atkinson
Technical Editor, Stereophile

If you wanna refute something Charles said nobody's stopping you. But....., posted on June 13, 2017 at 15:08:59
Rick W	to imply his comments are just coming from the possibility that MQA might cost Ayre biz in the future is a stretch too far for me.

RE: ... Publish a Magazine, posted on June 13, 2017 at 15:36:34

Isaak J. Garvey
Industry Professional

Posts: 1207
Location: Hollywod, CA
Joined: January 7, 2016

...which tells you exactly the following:

-As a CONSUMER of music, and he is a die hard music fan, he finds the idea of MQA appalling.

-As and ENGINEER, he finds it to be charlatanism, and vaporware. He has clearly illustrated this.

-As an industry participant he finds it an offensive scheme to extract fees and royalties.

He could EASILY send his gear to Meridian to take apart and provide the MQA certification. He could easily right Bob Stuart a check.

But why should he and other industry players bail out a company who has been bleeding money and is looking for a quick fix?

RE: If you wanna refute something Charles said nobody's stopping you. But....., posted on June 13, 2017 at 17:32:23

13th Duke of Wymbourne
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I didn't imply anything, I stated it :) - as a possibility. It is important because Charles is, rightly, held with high esteem on this board and across the industry so his thoughts count. He could sway opinions. I did ask him about his intentions and if would ever consider adding MQA to his products in an earlier thread and got a very diplomatic non-answer that made me wonder why not just give a straight answer?

I don't know enough about digital audio to refute anything posted about MQA but in the past I have read misleading information from Charles relating to technologies that run counter with those used by Ayre's. So I am a little cautious.

Regards
13DoW

Link to what you mentioned about misleading info? nt, posted on June 13, 2017 at 17:42:35
Rick W	nt

RE: If you wanna refute something Charles said nobody's stopping you. But....., posted on June 13, 2017 at 18:24:20
Isaak J. Garvey Industry Professional Posts: 1207 Location: Hollywod, CA Joined: January 7, 2016	Did you ever consider that instead of Charles pointing out the obvious issues with MQA that it should be members of the PRESS??? Instead it has been one big circle jerk.

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