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Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs.

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Posted on March 20, 2023 at 10:11:43
ABliss
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I have bought three sets of Chinese speaker cables so far with mixed results.
First was the Nordost White Draws, this cable after burn in sounds very clean and airy, but a bit light in the bottom end. It's basically a solid core cable as each strand is isolated, but it's silver plated copper.

Wanting to improve on that cable made me get the Nordost Valhalla, this is also silver plated but with more strands, so higher gauge, so a much better bottom end and more of the transparency that I think solid core offers. I really like this cable, although it's silver plated it doesn't have the brightness. I may very well end up keeping this cable in the system.

I have had many flavors of cables over the years, but I never had a good set of pure silver. I know solid core sounds better than stranded, I know silver plated sounds airy but can be edgy and wears you down, so I have always wanted to try solid core silver.
I did make a short set of solid core cables many years ago, to try with my mono blocs, can't even remember where I bought the wire , probably Tempo also. They been sitting in the closet for years.

So, seeing this nice looking pair of supposedly Netherland 5n 99% pure silver cables on Aliexpress, I ordered them. When they finally came they were lovely to look at and very heavy which made me kind of suspicious. I played them a few days and wasn't impressed as by this time I had hooked up the short pair of double runs solid core silver cables I found in the closet, and I had a idea how pure silver should sound. I had my 300B monos in the system, so the short length was no problem.
Being anal about cable termination, I decided to see how well the Netherlands cables were done, and to check the wire claims. Well, to my not so much surprise, not only was the connections not very tight, some strands were not even stripped properly, but the wires were just silver plated not pure silver.
Yes, maybe I was just the fool to think I would get a 8 foot pair of pure silver for $150, but I think the looks got me, they are beautiful. So you win some you loose some.
I reterminated all the bananas and played them for more days, but the Nordost Valhalla sill blows them away.

So I was left in the mean time liking how good the Valhalla is , and loving the super clean, natural, holographic sound of my short 5ft pair of newly rediscovered home made solid core pure silver cables.
The bass was good but not as much as the Valhalla because I knew the gauge is less, but the treble was more natural, not sure what difference the lengths make, the Valhalla being 8ft, but due to the fact that the resident amp for that system is a McIntosh MC7270, and the monos are just visiting, the 5ft cables can't end up staying there.

So I have ordered 32 feet of 14 gauge solid core silver wire from Tempo Electric to make a 8ft pair.
The Fake Valhalla is nice, but after trying that little bit of solid silver, I couldn't get it out of my head. If it doesn't live up to expectations, I will just sell it.
Just a word of advice to anyone buying Chinese cables, besides the fact that you're never 100% sure what you're getting, if you can't do it yourself, have someone remove the heat shrink from the connections and redo them. They are often very poorly done, even the power cords, you would be surprised if you open one up.

 

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RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 20, 2023 at 10:59:16
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ABliss,

Wonderful write up as usual | I hear you on the suspect cables from AliExpress, especially when the seller list it ( them ) as pure silver, which is why a few months ago I found myself going back to a pair of Clear Day Cables Shotgun SCs pure solid core silver | of which have resided in the system since.

As I also have a 3.8m pair of Kudos Audio KS-1 silver plated copper SCs from England " which I absolutely love for their sense of detailing as well as a more delicate nature in how they seemingly add a bit of warmth which strikes my ears | senses as being properly balanced top to bottom " and remains one of my 3 favorites to date, following these are a pair of Pearl Acoustics Sibelius SCs pure copper wrapped in what I've always heard as a superior outer jacket material in silicone | the only one which hasn't made it into the system are the same Valhalla 2 knockoffs you've, yet I'm aware in time I'll have to give them a test run | yet as I've told others I've never been one to exchange cables or cords upon their arrival | at best they might be rotated into the system within 8-13 months, if that?.

The other 3 pairs of SCs are all pure copper DIY types, which remain in our bedroom closet | were purchased because of knowing the brand as well as their companies house sound | liking them enough to buy them on GP ( general purpose ) and once again know at some point they'll have to make their way out front as well.

I've just come to a place in life | after weighing the pros and cons of cabling cost wise and materials or purity grading as far as OFC | OCC | UP-OCC and so on, actually bears listening..., and having once again having heard my share of said types at different cost ranges upwards of $4.700 ( where I've always figured was my set budget once upon a time ) but in reality I've come to think it's the implementation of any given cable or cord that matters most regardless of its place of origin | yet as you've more or less struck upon..., I've always been one that has questioned the overall quality of connectors | be they the RCAs on our IC's or amplifications chassis's | Binding Post on speakers and amps | especially power plug connectors, as I've often spotted amps upwards of $20.000 which had say $40 per pair of RCA connectors | $60 binding post on them, yet I guess most orders of said costlier wares never took the time to look at said connectors more closely before having invested in them?.

My thinking is these companies selling items priced like $12.000-$20.000 can use Asian made connectors, why can't we?, I'll continue doing my own thing | care less who thinks I'd do other wise?, free will | freedom of choice | free speech.

And as always forgive me for be long-winged on one very very vital matter..., yet once again if all of us were to seriously stop and ask ourselves where are the American made RCA | Binding Post | Banana Plugs for us to even remotely considering as an option?, I'm only aware of Cardas Audio | DH Labs | WireWorld whom seemingly produce their own, I'm grown so tired of some weird ass audio retailers saying " people like you are the ones causing America audio shops to go under ", when I personally think it's greed as well as people's ability to research any given item and find them cheaper, as well as slightly used, I mean I've found 2 sets of banana plugs were their asking price is $500 for the quad, yet I found them for $100, should I've felt obligated to pay the suggested asking price in order to support a place I've never done business with before?, I think not!, especially understanding the marketing up charging on said products, as I once worked in Audio retailing as well, so have always been aware of cost versus profit margins.

These days | I search the globe for more and more creative cabling brands, as I've mentioned elsewhere when it comes to technology, like it or not?, the Asians and Germans, as well as the Polish are making some head waves with cabling of late, if anything the American manufacturers need to rethink there over priced cables, as I showed my wife two days ago a clone Accuphase pair of IC's wrapped in my beloved | preferred silicone outer jacket, which cost all of $50, and told her if this same cable was built ( supposedly ) here, it'd could be listed as $500, without a doubt in my mind..., in other words I still believe decent cables can be made for say $50-$300, much like they were in the early days, I mean look at what was available in the 50s | 60s | 70s upwards of the mid 80s, then all of a sudden the 90s saw cabling prices as much as tens of thousands of dollars, can you say NordOst Odin Gold PCs at $34.000 a pop?, I dare not listen to something of which I know I'd never afford | like ever.

I'll try after this post, not to make it a matter of " USA Versus Them ( the world ) Thing ".

 

Thorsten Loesch's Ubyte-2 Speaker Cable Recipe, posted on March 20, 2023 at 12:14:25
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I remember experimenting with similar solid-core silver wire in oversized teflon tubing long time ago. Give it a shot, but I doubt the result will be exactly what you want.

After many years of trying things, nothing I have bought or made has outperformed Thorsten Loesch's Ubyte-2 speaker cable recipe, especially since I upgraded the copper foil part with pure silver foil wrapped around copper core coax. Not "Odin 2," not even genuine Silversmith pure silver ribbon speaker cables.

Unfortunately, I have no idea where one can source the proper materials needed anymore, which is a shame..

 

RE: Thorsten Loesch's Ubyte-2 Speaker Cable Recipe, posted on March 20, 2023 at 16:36:43
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Thanks for the recipe. Isn't it funny how things you may have tried years ago that didn't pass the test at the time, my have a totally different result now, most likely due to system changes.
That's why its always a good reason to hang on to stuff.

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 21, 2023 at 00:15:31
KanedaK
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Could you give me a link of the Valhalla you ordered? There are just too many on Ali, I don't know which one is right
Thanks :-)

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 21, 2023 at 07:51:06
ABliss
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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003691084981.html

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 24, 2023 at 22:57:21
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Thanks! ;)

 

RE: Thorsten Loesch's Ubyte-2 Speaker Cable Recipe, posted on March 25, 2023 at 12:14:17
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Look at the fine silver diy IC from chris ven haus who is an asylum sponsor. Chris has all the materials needed. I'm very happy with mine running from a Bent Audio passive volume control and source switch to 211 tube monoblocks. I used the silver KLEI low mass RCAs.

 

RE: Thorsten Loesch's Ubyte-2 Speaker Cable Recipe, posted on March 25, 2023 at 12:19:35
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I realize that you are looking for speaker and not ic cable. Chris is a good source for high quality diy parts.

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 26, 2023 at 15:09:56
Norman Bates
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I look forward for your opinions.

I remember gizmo recommending either 14 or 16g solid silver for spkr.

I think gr research recommends PE Teflon insulation.


Did you order tempo's oversized 8g Teflon insulation or normal Teflon ?


To me, $5/ft of the 8g insulation seems a bit much.
I'd imagine it makes more of an audible difference on an interconnect than speaker wire.

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 26, 2023 at 16:40:25
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Your inquiry is quite general. Here are few ideas...

High current speakers (large in size) optimally lean toward larger gauge speaker wire.

Silver and silver coated copper wire works well with cone style cabinet speakers.

My Magnepan speakers are very much at home with large gauge copper.

In memory of Duster, he preferred copper over silver or silver coated copper.

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 26, 2023 at 18:08:34
Norman Bates
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True.

Magnepans are usually resistive load, not much for phase angles.

https://www.meta-gizmo.org/Tri/Dancing/DrG_silverT.html

https://positive-feedback.com/pfbackissues/0702/Rosenberg.alphacore.7n2.html

Even audiophile (years ago) recommend 18g solid core copper magnet wire.


I know there are many camps for wire enthusiasts, stranded vs solid, multiple vs single wire, copper vs silver plated copper vs silver, low/high capacitance (say nordost vs kimber/goertz).

I've never made the ubyte wire, but people seem to prefer it.



I'm not new to wire but I have wanted to try tempo silver for a long while now.



https://www.stereophile.com/content/nordost-valhalla-interconnect-speaker-cable-valhalla-loudspeaker-cable

I think I fall into the nordost speaker wire camp, think red dawn maybe.





 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 26, 2023 at 18:35:57
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I built up a set of Chinese "Vahal" speaker cables. Nice quality wire and a very good sound, but found a variation of the GR Research speaker cables to be superior with my maggies.

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 26, 2023 at 18:48:13
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I just ordered the same size, not the over size. I agree the price difference was too much.

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 26, 2023 at 19:28:06
Norman Bates
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Versus the Valhalla, you will find out if you prefer 1 wire vs many....

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 26, 2023 at 19:40:04
Norman Bates
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The gr seems like 8tc, but with less capacitance and a squeak more inductance due to the cotton spacer core.

8 x 16g

I don't buy into his rf rejection video making a better speaker wire, the rf through the feedback would be way too small, and the feedback cap blocks it. Otherwise, we would all agree star quad is the best.

But, I'm glad you have found satisfaction.

Wire selection can be quite a rabbit hole to be stuck in.

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 27, 2023 at 07:51:43
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The GR Research speaker cables are based on 12tc, which is approximately 8ga. It is is a well-thought out design and quite creative in its use of materials. My modifications were soft 1/2" polyester rope core (which sounded better than cotton) and no RF tape on each end. The tape can serve a second purpose to tune the cable and control high end brightness.

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 27, 2023 at 14:47:08
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Yeah, that's the idea, but I must admit the Valhalla already have the advantage as far as looks.

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on March 27, 2023 at 18:53:47
Norman Bates
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is that copper / teflon ?

thanks for your responses.....

 

RE: Ordered some Tempo Electric silver to compare with these Chinese knock offs., posted on April 12, 2023 at 10:13:23
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ABliss,

I'd like to run something by you, whenever you've a moment?, please PM me at:

Ei6ca7@yahoo.com

Oscar

 

any news yet ? (nt), posted on April 24, 2023 at 16:27:42
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nt

 

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