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Monosaudio P902 PC & Thanks Judith - Jon L

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Posted on February 25, 2023 at 13:32:46
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Well Guys | Dolls,

I've finally got this power cord assembled correctly | I decided to go with a SonarQuest Silver silver connector on the AC Male side | their stablemate Red Copper on the IEC Side and hear a remarkable improvement in overall sound as compared to both the NEARdost Odin 2 | Odin Gold PCs.

Yet the verdict is still out as compared to the Accuphase 40th Anniversary clones | as I've yet felt the need to change out their plugs | yet have ones like Viborg 512 Copper and IeGO 8095 Pure Silver - Rhodium Plated Copper AC Males as well as IeGO 8065 Silver Plated Copper and Monosaudio F109R ( Rhodium Plated Copper ) IEC Females plugs to play around with on said Accuphase PC.

And I'd love to send a big shout out to Judith | Jon L..., as the results of following both of your postings on mixing Rhodium AC Male | Un-Plated ( Red Copper ) IEC Female plugs onto your power cords, let's just say I did this moments ago on the primary cord for my Naim Audio SuperNait 3's cord which is a Viborg MBU 1505 and immediately knew everything was coming across as much much much clearer | cleaner with a sense of vitality | purpose to each note, the amount of inner detail offers dare I say a truer sense of being at the actual recording venue.

Whereas I tend to focus my attention on little details like cymbal decay | the ability to hear rimshots more clearly | shimming highs | plucking of guitar string | fingering technique of acoustic basses or cello | all this little underlying clues which offer more insight into the emotional attachment of which any given artist were trying the best to produce for our satisfaction.

It's more like, they're here in a chiseled out space before my very eyes ( ears ) as opposed to the old adage of being " there at the recording venue itself ", this strikes me as much more intimate | related | personal | rewarding in a manner which merely speaks to my very core.

Before both of you, I wouldn't never thought to explore mixing different plating types, yet it has without a shadow of a doubt in my mind ( life ) seriously inspired me so much as to continue chasing the music versus the electronics ( toys ) as within a vast music collection, one must ask themselves what's the purpose of spending vast amounts on one's system?. Answer?, nothing more than bragging rights, you know the type..., my system cost eight figures | my this or that cable | cord cost me me $20.000-$40.000, yet in reality within a week or two said same shit is replacing with even costlier items, I'm not hating on those that afford said systems, but I've to admit I find myself laughing even hoarder to see many of these same cats are clueless to what to listen for | or too upon making said purchases, otherwise wouldn't they just learn to live with what's in front of them, as opposed to chasing the Absolute Illusion as I love calling it?.

It's those with the adventurous spirit that I tend to watch from afar | admire their willingness to cause others to live outside the box | not allowing BS to kick in.

Be well all | Stay safe.

 

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RE: Monosaudio P902 PC & Thanks Judith - Jon L, posted on February 26, 2023 at 09:35:26
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Standing my ground | what I currently see as items | cables | cords worthy of anyone's attention.

First off I've read time | time again as many seem off-put by using rhodium plated copper RCA | Banana Plugs | Binding Post connectors within their system(s) stating the music seems off..., I too felt this exact same way for years now, yet upon merely replacing the AC Male on a Viborg MBU 1501 power cord | not knowing what to expect?. Let's just say I'm now a believer | once again owe thanks to TanteJuut ( Judith ) | Jon L ( even if both are absent in responding to this post..., I care not ) for capturing my imagination just enough to cause me to go out and buy several connectors with said plating | I'm glad I did.

I've read there are times where rhodium as a plating takes upwards of 600 hours before it has settled in ( burned in it you'll ) before one can honestly gauge its overall sonic signature | of which I've to base things upon how well one knows the sound of their system?, as it relates to any changes made within whatsoever..., even items like isolation footers, are known to change the dynamic capabilities of any given component | one of which was introduced to the market around 2000, yet the company went under were the footers made by Boston Audio Designs, called TuneBlocks, which were essentially made from Graphite, yet many obviously at the time misunderstood how to use them, or worse yet how to understand what they were doing sonically to their components | yet as someone whom once was very very active in reading or posting on various audio forums around the globe, I've to give credit where it's due..., the music lovers of places like Hong Kong | Malaysia | Taiwan | Japan have always been more open-minded when it came to said tweaks, I'm talking footers | decoupling pads | the use of things like quarters placed onto their walls | half full glasses of water placed behind their speakers | the use of tone woods | brass dish trays | so on..., this was the sort of thinking which would eventually lead to companies like FIM ( First Impression Music ) | Acoustic Revive | Yamamoto Sound Craft | Shun Mook | Acoustic System International to name but a few.

Yet to this very day, their use of Graphite remains true, I'd say seeming as there are plenty sixes and shapes one can sample for the sake of curiosity, are available as I type this on both Amazon | eBay, do try a few of them out, as they're cheaper then items like Vipbrapods, and once again worth hearing.

Back on topic...,now where was I?, oh yeah..., rhodium as heard | felt as of yesterday evening's listening session. What I gathered was like some had said about it was as if someone had increased the volume by at least three notches | yet as Dave C from Zen Waves puts it, makes a great deal more sense " as it's due to the lack of detailing which gold plating brings, many simply aren't aware of just how the music is being rendered in a manner which is not true in nature " ( I'm putting my own spin on what he actually wrote, but the concept is the same ) Rhodium allows one to hear deeper into the recordings | I noticed the only time it bothers me with its sense of rawness | honesty was hearing older recordings of which in some it highlighted the miking of the acoustic or electric bass, as if to spotlight an emphasis on bloated low end notes, of which were unnatural | but truer to the source, and if it's in the recordings?, then I thought to myself I'd rather know said effects are there, then being glossed over | so it merely becomes a matter of my re-learning what to listen for | readjust my way of understanding the overall importance of accuracy.

Call me converted | both hands up pleading the fifth.

The listening session so far with the Monosaudio P902 PC | shows it as it was told to me as more dynamically capable | hits harder in the low end | even more nimble if that makes any sense as compared to both the Accuphase 40th Anniversary | either Viborg, and what I see as 4 standout options for any serious music loving audiophile which isn't over concerned with fitting into the overly expensive snob factor internship mindset?, as mentioned earlier " the Chinese are fast learners | have in my mind caught on ".

Last one.., for those of you looking for extremely musical SCs under say $500?, my absolute favorites are not to be taken lightly or overlooked are both the Pearl Acoustics Sibelius " Neutral " | the other is the Kudos Audio KS-1 SCs, of which I've to say are amongst the very very very best investments I've made to my system | self.

The very best sounding IC's I've come across to date are:

Yannis Tome Cable Designs 222Connect-Litz ( pure silver | WBT NexGen silver rca connectors):

https://gaia.cabledesigns.co.uk/html/interconnect.html

Followed by the Ataudio Odin ( silver plated copper ) | Tara Labs Vector 2 ( pure copper ) | Audiocrast IC25 ( pure silver ) | Audiocrast ( OCC | Silver ) @AliExpress or eBay.

For AC | IEC Connectors:

IeGO Power 8095 ( pure silver | rhodium plated @ $145 each or $261 the set ) have become for me the absolute best sound I've experienced on any type of power cord, regardless of cost | yes, I'm using sets of power cords which cost much much less | yet the overall results are stunning.

Followed by the Monosaudio M | F109R ( Rhodium Plated Copper @ $80-$105 the set found on AliExpress ) as my sole introduction to what rhodium plugs are capable of in the very best meaning of the word..., no $700-$800 connectors required, not in my lifetime | the world in which I reside.

As always..., I'm not one to question my hearing | I hear what I hear as reason to make a stance and attempt to share | put this into words whereas the reader of my post can actually get more of an emotional connection or feel for what I'm trying to explain..., if one if able to?, or wishes to spend thousands on cables?, I'd say go for it, yet the times are a changing where one has to ask themselves at some point, why?, | do I really have too?.

As my wife Michelle and I tend to repeat lines we've heard in old movies we've owned..., there's a script in the movie " 13th Warrior " where the Norseman are talking | laughing amongst themselves, essentially making fun of the Spaniard " Antonio Banderas " whom sits there night after night studying their lips, until he speaks up, and it asked how did you learn our language?, of which he responded " I listened ", as must we all, talking the talk without having walked the walk is fruitless in my mind.

Thank me later, should you try them?, if not?, consider it your loss.

 

RE: Monosaudio P902 PC & Thanks Judith - Jon L, posted on February 26, 2023 at 14:47:03
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Hi Oscar,

I am very happy for you that this connector combo is working for you. Rhodium plating is relentless when the system has some harshness and it takes 500 hours before it settles. But the stereo picture is organized and
detailed with a lot of punch. The IEGO 8095 is still on my list for the future. I think you are right for this one. But it is so damn expensive.

I still haven't made any changes recently. I am happy with my system at the moment. If I have some money, I want to swap my standard system breaker for a gigawatt G-16 2p and a Doepke earth leakage circuit breaker. Lower contact resistance is always resulting in more grip at the lowest octaves and better micro- and macro dynamics. Power is everything. It can make or break your system. A modest system is sometimes using only 1 or 2 watts. A lot of tiny details can easily get lost (decays, room/hall reverbs) in those 2 watts.

I always read your posts Oscar. It is nice to learn from people especially when they are helping other people.

Judith






 

RE: Monosaudio P902 PC & Thanks Judith - Jon L, posted on February 26, 2023 at 15:42:23
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Hello Judith,

There you are | I was hoping you'd chime in..., as you've seriously allowed me to peak inside your mind | gather insight into one of those subjects it seems many have merely taken for granted. As I recently was talking to a dear friend of mine on the phone, posing the question just how many of us really look closer at the quality of the connectors used on our prices pairs of IC's | SCs | PCs?, not taking into account there have been times while researching items | I've come across $16.000 amps using binding post which retail for $60 per set, and were designed upon mere brass base plate metal.

I've always studied or noticed said littlest of details | call it my anal retentive behavior, but appearances | quality of one's components count, even if one has only been able to stretch their funds and afford a $25.000 system, whereas some with deeper pockets can act snobbish all they want, in my mind they make far more costlier mistakes than use mortals shall ever make, yet for the most part they aren't willing to admit to not having done their homework | souls like many us are just seeking certain tweaks here and there which hopefully enhances our abilities to listen more to the music itself, instead of the equipment | which is where I truthfully believe we've them beat.

As mentioned awhile back | I felt my desire to read and response | write post had reached its end..., yet when I seem to come across something worthy of others fullest attention | I feel duty bound to write about it, as I'm certain some are indeed willing to trust in solid recommendations versus things which doesn't bring about instant ratification.

If something doesn't bring about an urge to dance | laugh | cry | reminisce | look deeper into any given artist or label's complex discography!, something's wrong. At this very moment your prized tandem of rhodium and un-plated copper power connectors offers enough insight into not only the enjoyment of music | yet into my very soul from a purely emotional perspective | think back say 10-20 years ago, and ask myself " why is it that our youth deprives us of learning this type of stuff easily on? ", just imagine how many pieces of gear could've been made to reproduce music in a manner where many of us could've gladly called it a day..., just maybe said wisdom | growth is meant only to be achieved once we've reached a ripe old age, where we then learn to trust our own instincts and not what's written in the audio rags, they're nice places to begins one's journey | not a substitute for one actuality getting out to shops | a friends home and listening to different brands or priced electronics for oneself.

As we reside in a very peaceful neighborhood just east of Detroit, an apartment at that, changing out anything other than AC Receptacles or lighting fixtures | dimmers just aren't going to happen. Which is why I'm focusing on buying into the Entreq Micro Kit GroundBox Kit, my last usb cable in the Xangsane Sterling Silver thingy, and chilling. How does that old adage go?, " if it isn't broken, leave it alone ", that's exactly my mindset of late | wisdom | maturity | reality has taken hold, and there's no desire in my heart for self doubt.

Stay true to the cause | yourself in the seasons to come, I've found you a godsent | thanks again for just being.

 

RE: Monosaudio P902 PC & Thanks Judith - Jon L, posted on February 26, 2023 at 16:06:39
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Judith,

I meant to add while the set of IeGO 8095s is somewhat costlier than the cost effective makes of Viborg | Monosaudio types..., yet when compared to say the Furutech FI-50 NCF types, it all of a sudden seems a better option.

And in truth, it or they only have to be purchased once | well in my case twice, as I have a spare set laying here, well at least a single 8095 AC Male | 8065 IEC Female, has the 8095 been a Schuko EU type, I would've sold it to you at half price, but as one member of A'Gon has mentioned it being better than the Oyaide P | C 004 range, and having both placed onto a cord used between the ac outlet and a Puritan Audio PSM136 line conditioner, I'd have to agree as said 8095s just offer a better sense of flow | attack | smoothness | refinement to the notes themselves.

In the end, it once again only needs to be purchased once | heard to be believed.

I'll be placing an ad here in a few days, in hopes someone stateside can use them, as hoarding once again, simply isn't how I wish to live life | sharing is more of my nature.

As always..., be well | stay safe.

 

Where did you find the Sonarquest silver plug U.S version?, posted on February 26, 2023 at 17:44:58
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I only see the Euro version or the silver one on black body for U.S.

Thanks for the shoutout. Around here, we just share our experience, just like I am reading about your Accuphase and Monosaudio experiments.

Funny side note. Due to Aliexpress store delivering the wrong item (Furutech power cable) instead of the Xangsane SP 9001AG interconnect, I just made today some power cords I do not need, currently just powering the subwoofer. Hopefully it sounds decent elsewhere..

 

RE: Where did you find the Sonarquest silver plug U.S version?, posted on February 26, 2023 at 18:39:20
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Young man | it's my honor to acknowledge those whom have open both my eyes and mine to the possibilities of " what if? ", so you've earned it two fold.

Nice looking cord by the way | yet in all honesty I'm absolutely loving both the Accuphase | Monosaudio makes, I'm about to call it a day on this venture | maybe said Xangsane usb cable and it's quits.

Here yah go:

http://www.sonarquestshop.com/silver-plated-c-1_15/

Be good Jon | thanks once again as with Judith, for just begin.

 

RE: Where did you find the Sonarquest silver plug U.S version?, posted on February 26, 2023 at 18:57:46
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As I went with the ones labeled as Dark ( D ) you'd have to borrow the model from their site, google it, by adding the model number and then ( D ) behind that, and it comes up as:

https://www.sonarquest.net/sonarquest-st-agp-d-cryo-ag-silver-plated-series-audio-grade-ac-power-plug-connector.html

Once again, I've never been taken with the shiny black versions, matt black maybe?, but bling!, bling!, has never moved me.

Well maybe the bling as shown above..., but there's where I draw the line.

 

RE: Where did you find the Sonarquest silver plug U.S version?, posted on February 26, 2023 at 19:32:07
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Jon L | All.

Not intended to pimp my wares, but in case you wanted to try something different?, I'd let the CopperColour Un-Plated Copper set ( $66 ) | IeGO 8065 Silver Plated Copper IEC Female ( $65 ) | Monosaudio F109R Rhodium Plated Copper IEC Female ( $58 ) | lastly, but not seen as it's sitting here like the others, a IeGO 8095 Pure Silver - Rhodium Plated AC Male ( $145 ) go for a decent price, as I seriously can't see using the IeGO 8095 on what's essentially either a $34 or $60 Power Cord.

Either as singles or said sets where applicable?, just a thought, as otherwise they'll all merely be gathering dust.

Said unused wares:

https://www.audioasylumtrader.com/ca/listing/Accessory/Monosaudio_CopperColour_IeGO-Power/Rhodium-Copper-Silver-AC_IEC/Power-Plugs/224780

 

compared to , posted on February 26, 2023 at 19:33:02
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this cable with stock connectors, you find your version with silver plug with better high frequency? How about tonality/richness? TIA.

 

RE: compared to , posted on February 26, 2023 at 19:51:25
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As per the recommendation of Shiraz ( George ) over on Head-Fi.org whom has owned the bulk version | version like I've which came with the gold plated brass black bodied options | yet recommended the one with the un-plated copper as the very best sounding ones, unfortunately I has placed my order before hearing back from him.

My only other option was doing un-plated copper on both ends as Judith has mentioned | but then I've heard more often than not, to much copper as far as connectors can cause one's system to become overly dark or laidback, of which my main three components certainly don't need.

I ended up trying the reverse of what you | Judith have both done in the past, with the dominant AC Male being Rhodium Plated Copper | Un-Plated Copper on the IEC Female side. It was upon reading quite a few views on silver plated copper connectors on various forums | manufactures that have used it as far as RCA | Banana Plugs | RCA inputs | Binding Post, the latter two mainly because of their continuous use on all things Audio Note UK | Kondo - Audio Note Japan.

Weird thing is, looking at the 7 pairs of SCs I own, all of 5 pairs, were re-terminated with silver plated copper banana plugs over any other plating, to my ears it sounds much much better than pure copper or gold plated copper banana plugs | so in thinking to be a little bit different, I thought once again I'd be worth a effort..., and I've to admit when it comes to IC's, I've long perfected pure silver over anything else..., period.

Lastly..., what the one reviewer stated here ( as it related to silver plating), caught my attention as well:

https://www.mcru.co.uk/product/iego-8065-silver-plated-iec-connector/?v=7516fd43adaa#reviews

 

Ordered P902 PC , posted on February 28, 2023 at 12:52:51
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With the "pure copper" connectors. We shall see if connector change will be needed after audition in my system..

 

RE: Ordered P902 PC , posted on February 28, 2023 at 13:41:30
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Jon L.

Great pursuit on your end | I believe alongside the Viborg's | Accuphase | this is to my ears a very worthy cord. Do keep me ( us ) posted.

 

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