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Got an Email from Gaofei...

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Posted on March 2, 2020 at 06:40:35
erik
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 ...Folks, after placing an order for a few Viborg products, I did a bit of research on their products. I was stunned as to how many no-name products they make, probably countless, which got me really curious.

So I decided to contact Gaofei (major player over there), and asked if Viborg and Sonar Quest are their divisions even though I know they aren't. Reply came pretty fast, below is a quote from their email:

"Hello Sir:
Viborg it's not a factory, it's just a company that makes knock-offs.
They only copy the appearance, but the quality of the product is totally different from ours.
The core materials for our products are sourced from different parts of the world.
The production plant is in Taiwan." End of quote.

Signed by Miss Li, whose name and phone is on Gaofei's website customer service.

They never mentioned SonarQuest, Probably forgot or didn't want to.

This is just FYI guys, I don't wanna comment regarding this matter, Draw your own conclusions.


 

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RE: Got an Email from Gaofei..., posted on March 2, 2020 at 13:44:52
Duster
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That's utter bullshite. Gaofei is exactly the kind of Chinese brand I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. The Gaofei product line-up is full of knock-offs, including ugly beasts like these. Polycarbonate bodies and shells, stainless steel screws, nothing original nor superior vs. Viborg which at least offers elegant designs, never as grotesque as these things. Don't stir-up the forum with a troll post like this. If you are an OP, you better have something to say about the subject instead of passive-aggressively putting-down a brand, then retreating into your bloody shell.

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Are You Saying I'm a Troll?, posted on March 2, 2020 at 14:10:35
erik
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 Duster, i didn't know you can go that low because I posted Gaofei's reply without even commenting.

Are you freakin high? Shit!

I've been at this forum for more than 20 years, never been accused of being a troll.

If I had your kind of mentality I would've accused you of being a shill for for Chinese products.

 

RE: Are You Saying I'm a Troll?, posted on March 2, 2020 at 14:38:49
Duster
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 Now you are being more than a troll, you are being defensive and offensive when you should pay attention to the point of my contention. It's obvious what your intention was, posting bunk like that in the forum, erik.

 

Lots of Stuff Available , posted on March 2, 2020 at 14:52:10
Dynobot
 With the sheer number of 'good' products available someone could be very happy without using either listed product.

When in doubt stick with a name brand.

Its always fun to try different stuff, knock-off or not, just be safe and make sure you don't put yourself or family in danger.

For example, I once tried some caps that I 'thought' might be knock-offs and it was not long before they kind of exploded....lets just say they failed.

:-)


 

larry, I can't believe you're posting this..., posted on March 2, 2020 at 14:56:14
erik
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 ...when you definitely know that I like their products. And you don't even know me or why I did post their reply, without any comments.

If you wanted to speak of substantive issues, then you did not have to dive in with trolling references.

Didn't know you're that insecure. Do not reply to me ever again, and do not offer your cables to me.

 

RE: Got an Email from Gaofei..., posted on March 2, 2020 at 14:59:58
rwiley
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 I've bought a good many Viborg branded connectors etc. Some have been better than others, but all of decent quality imo...certainly in light of their cost vs high end brands.

I've also heard positive comments from users of the Sonar Quest silver plated power connectors.

 

Yup, the make decent..., posted on March 2, 2020 at 15:11:20
erik
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 ...products. Personally I have one of their power cords which is very good, one of my higher end interconnects have their connectors, also plenty of their products are on the way;)

 

RE: larry, I can't believe you're posting this..., posted on March 2, 2020 at 15:54:07
Duster
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 I don't know that you like their products, and your post sure seemed like you agreed with Miss Li. If you like Viborg products, you intentionally didn't provide a comment so folks could not know your POV. Look at your post again, and notice how there is an undertone of agreement with that hogwash against Viborg. If I must apologize for getting angry in the forum, I will. I'm sorry, erik.

Regards, Duster

 

Look, just stop this..., posted on March 2, 2020 at 16:05:48
erik
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 ...I don't need an apology from anybody, Larry.

There is a second part of Gaofei's reply which explained their dislike of Viborg, and I was going to post that but it doesn't make any sense now.

 

RE: Look, just stop this..., posted on March 2, 2020 at 16:23:30
Duster
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 Please have the courtesy of using my AA moniker, erik. I now realize you were the Inmate who posted enthusiasm about the use of Viborg gear, and we corresponded about a Viborg power cord. I did not remember the AA moniker of erik was you, so how else could I know where you were coming from? That was the crux of the issue, and I overreacted due to a lack of sleep. Again, I apologize for the misunderstanding, and loosing my temper. Time for me to wrap this up, and go to bed.

 

RE: Look, just stop this..., posted on March 2, 2020 at 17:07:39
erik
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 Yes, I'm that inmate, I'm also the guy who bought your Valab cords.

Let's move on.

 

RE: Look, just stop this..., posted on March 3, 2020 at 01:41:13
TanteJuut
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 I expect when you ask a representative of Viborg, Valab or Sonarquest about Gaofei you will get the same answer. "They are not good quality, they are copycats... bla bla..."

The premise of your post: all you fanboys are imposters with nickel ears instead of golden ears... ;)

Doesn't matter. I am happy with my nickel ears. Draw you own "conclusions".

 

Viborg VI06CC Unplated Copper IEC Inlet, posted on March 3, 2020 at 12:19:46
Duster
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Image: Viborg VI06CC Unplated Copper IEC Inlet.

Hi TanteJuut, you pretty much nailed how I viewed the message of the OP, but erik clarified the situation in time for my head not to explode and make a bigger mess in the forum...

I think most folks who have followed my posts over the years know I'm not a fanboy of Chinese AC connectors, since I've swooned over Japanese Oyaide and Furutech AC connectors far more than Viborg. The point of issue has always been finding high-value, meaning lower-cost but still relatively high-performance products when I can't afford to buy more expensive Japanese gear. Furthermore, the only Japanese unplated copper AC connectors are the Furutech FI-11(Cu) AC connectors, but the newer version has some sort of treatment if not what might be called a kind of plating that is not the starkly bare copper of the Viborg and IeGO products that I enjoy.

Also, Viborg is the only AC connector maker that offers an unplated copper IEC inlet, which is excellent sounding if one seeks to include the sonic signature of bare copper for custom system tuning purposes. Viborg and other Asian brands should be vetted for sound-quality as well as build-quality before pulling the trigger on an unknown factor, so when I post extensive reports and discussions about competent, high-value gear like Viborg it's because there are plenty of audiophiles who don't always have enough funds to spend on more expensive products, or seek a unique product like the unplated copper Viborg IEC inlet.

The same thing goes for my choice of high-value gear like linear power supplies, DACs, headphone amplifiers, that provide audiophile-quality performance often at a much lower price than North American, European, Japanese brand products. The Bryston, Aragon, B&W, VH Audio, WBT, Oyaide, Furutech, AudioQuest, etc. audio components, AC delivery, and cabling in my various audio systems can't simply be replaced with Chinese gear for my wants/needs, so I spend my audio dollars on both high-end and high-value gear when deemed worthy and appropriate for my particular wants/needs. In fact, at this time I'm forming a glowing report about an excellent and affordable USB cable made by an American audiophile cable company that is particularly special, in my experience.

If some listeners actually prefer other Chinese AC connector brands more than Viborg, then that's their finding for their wants/needs, and what makes Cable Asylum that much more interesting to visit.

Cheers, Duster

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Viborg , posted on March 3, 2020 at 12:57:23
Duster
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Is this cool, or what? An original Viborg design of a high-end USB connector available for DIY. I'm pondering SOTA cabling to terminate for a DIY project someday.

 

What's Your Point?, posted on March 3, 2020 at 13:48:24
erik
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 I mean really, "Duster", did I ever ask you about hdmi connectors or are you just trying to provoke me? Cut it out, dude, I had enough of you already.

 

LOL! You're being tortured. FYI. No comment. Draw your own conclusions..., posted on March 3, 2020 at 14:56:02
Jonesy
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 Be careful what you post for.

I know you meant well in your original post. And it was very interesting. And also taken out of context by some, then followed by apologies.

Just ride it out.

This too shall pass.

Cheers!

Jonesy






"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."




 

RE: What's Your Point?, posted on March 3, 2020 at 15:03:27
Duster
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 The particular response belongs to me, as a participant with this open thread. It's in response to Miss Li and her badmouthing Viborg. It was not directed towards you, only the particular subject, erik. Don't you agree that the elegant and original, not a knock-off, Viborg USB connector is an outstanding example of Viborg's world-class styling? Besides, I'm just trying to lighten-up our attitude like fellow AA Inmates tend to do, or do you wish to hold a grudge and judge me after I apologized twice? I don't need any more enemies in AA. Will you cut me some slack, erik?

 

You know "Duster"..., posted on March 3, 2020 at 15:48:38
erik
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 ...I might be wrong, of course, but I think you're doing everything to get this thread removed.

If you really wanted to prove something to somebody, then start a new thread.

Holding a grudge against people is an unknown concept to me.

Be well.

 

RE: You know "Duster"..., posted on March 3, 2020 at 16:56:06
Duster
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 Stop making this public thread about you. It's about Miss Li and the reputation of a brand I happen to enjoy and advocate in the forum. If you don't have something else to contribute to the topic of this thread, don't react to "Duster's" posts in a defensive and offensive manner, please allow him to comment on the topic of Viborg being an original, high-performance Chinese brand without harassment.

Cheers, Duster

 

RE: Viborg VI06CC Unplated Copper IEC Inlet, posted on March 3, 2020 at 17:05:03
Tre'
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 Wouldn't unplated copper oxidize? How would you clean it?

Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"

 

ROTFLMAO , posted on March 3, 2020 at 17:12:10
erik
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 Yup, I was right, you're just doing everything to get this removed.

You were an adequate individual once or when you needed to sell something, but you have rapidly developed this humongous delusion of grandeur during the past 5 years.

Now everyone can see the real you.

Be well.

 

RE: ROTFLMAO , posted on March 3, 2020 at 19:46:03
Duster
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 It's you who seems to want this thread to be removed by being obtuse. I'm acting like a gentleman, including two apologies, while you are trying to turn this thread into a flame war, with unfounded insults tossed into the thread that might earn a time-out from The Bored if you keep it up. You are only embarrassing himself in the forum. I may have to retract my apologies. Maybe you deserved to be considered a troll, after all.

 

RE: Viborg VI06CC Unplated Copper IEC Inlet, posted on March 3, 2020 at 19:58:30
Duster
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 This gets into controversy, Tre'. I've never found it necessary to do such in many cases. I still use the original version of the copper Fututech FI-11M(Cu) AC plug, and have never touched them with a connector cleaner or contact treatment. That said, the unplated copper Viborg IEC inlet would be easy to clean, since the three prongs are exposed within the slot.

 

that would be 'The Duster'..., posted on March 3, 2020 at 20:00:08
Ivan303
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 With a capital 'T'.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: that would be 'The Duster'..., posted on March 3, 2020 at 20:08:22
davem1
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 But for a scant few posts, this thread is serving no constructive purpose whatever. I cast my vote for "thread removed."

 

Clean oxidized copper with vinegar, acetone, other off shelf products., posted on March 3, 2020 at 20:28:26
Jonesy
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 Just google and several methods come up.

Won't find a better conductor than pure copper.

Jonesy




"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."




 

Aggressive Marketing..., posted on March 4, 2020 at 04:11:35
erik
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 ...that's what they call it, my gentle man.

And, as a know-it-all gentle man, and a great judge of character, you were right - I'm a troll, a troll who spent $700 on the Viborg cables without even being familiar with them, based on just one fact, their 1501 power cable is a fine piece.

You surely haven't done something like that, because you're their promoter, and Chinese companies are very generous towards their supporters on the Web.

So if this bothers you and them to that extent, let Viborg contact me (they don't answer my emails), and I will gladly forward Gaofei's full email to them.

And do not worry about The Bored, the Mods had been monitoring this thread since your yesterday's drivel.

Also, if you wish to continue your personal, Viborg-related vendetta, send me an email.

This is my last reply to you my gentle man, Discuss the whole thing with Viborg, I'm not interested in your drivel anymore.

 

Maybe not much of a 'constructive' purpose..., posted on March 4, 2020 at 05:51:48
Ivan303
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 but it does make one a bit more appreciative of Lummy's frequent contributions.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Maybe not much of a 'constructive' purpose..., posted on March 4, 2020 at 06:09:13
double28
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 Hey I like Lumey's posts...well the girls in them!

Will

 

Is that what they mean by 'damning with faint praise'? (nt), posted on March 4, 2020 at 12:23:37
13th Duke of Wymbourne
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 nt

 

If they weren't included who would read them? (nt), posted on March 4, 2020 at 12:48:41
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 nt

 

"...more appreciative...", posted on March 5, 2020 at 09:56:28
acres verde
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 Sorry but, at least for me, I must strongly disagree.

 

Assertive Advocacy., posted on March 5, 2020 at 10:01:40
Duster
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Images: Viborg VM512+VF512 Unplated Pure Copper Aluminum Housing AC Connectors; Furutech FP-TCS31 α (Alpha) PC-Triple C Power Bulk Cable

Two sets of top-line Viborg AC connectors are in the mail, the unplated pure copper VM512+VF512, and the gold over silver substrate plated pure copper VM512G+VF512G, both featuring rigid polycarbonate bodies, affixed to well-designed rigid aluminum shells, with an attractive design sculpted on the aluminum housing for good looks.

I've enjoyed discussing these particular make/model connectors with fellow AA Inmates recently, and will explore terminating a high-performance Furutech FP-S35TC PC Triple C bulk power cable ($47.87ft) terminated with each set, and provide an evaluation when placed on a fully-discrete Class A headphone amplifier. The Furutech power cord will be plugged into a gold plated phosphor bronze Oyaide SWO-GX AC outlet, and the upstream DAC is a Gustard DAC-X12, an excellent Sabre DAC from a Chinese designer said to have once been an officer in the Chinese military. More to be shared in an upcoming Cable Asylum report when the Viborg AC connectors are delivered.

Cheers, Duster

 

RE: "...more appreciative...", posted on March 5, 2020 at 18:00:12
13th Duke of Wymbourne
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 I am not one to put words into Ivan303's mouth but I am sure he is being sarcastic. He means that this thread is so bad it makes another bad thing seem better. Hence my comment about damning with faint praise.

13DoW

 

'The Duster' likes 13DoW's comment., posted on March 8, 2020 at 17:11:04
Duster
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 "Damning with faint praise" is a classic English idiom. Good one, 13DoW.

Cheers, Duster

 

RE: Assertive Advocacy., posted on March 8, 2020 at 21:37:47
Coner
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 Nice, but I'd feel better if they termed it "solid" pure copper...hope it's
not just plated.

Also, is it a UL or some other requirement to have those holes in the prongs?. Doesn't that reduce contact area?. Just curious, Duster.

 

RE: Aggressive Marketing..., posted on May 5, 2020 at 13:51:55
TrivQuad
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 Poster bashing is unbecoming. Duster has every right to his opinions which he defends intelligently and without personal attacks.

 

RE: Aggressive Marketing..., posted on May 12, 2020 at 17:46:30
Duster
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 Thank you, TrivQuad.

It's remarkable how ugly the OP became, spilling out his hatred like that in a public forum, perhaps thinking he could damage my credibility as an Audio Asylum Inmate, while actually boosting my character as a reputable AA poster. Very odd thing about me wanting the thread to be deleted; quite the opposite. It was a test of my patience, but a worthwhile thing to observe and respond to without rancor.

Cheers, Duster

 

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