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In Reply to: Disagree strongly with his claim. There IS an effect. /nt\ posted by HenryH on April 28, 2007 at 10:06:42:
...also said the same thing. perhaps it is dependent upon the cartridge, though.not trying to start a war, just saying that there are alternate opinions out there.
Henry, can you expand a little more on why do you disagree? Is it based on controlled tests of playing dirty vs clean LPs & determining the usable life? What line-contact cartridges have you used? The 20X-L moved towards a line-contact (sorta), no?
the people involved are actually proponents of cleaning records -- but the comment was that it will have no measurable affect on the life of the cartridge.
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the grit in the grooves, but nobody can convince me said grit has no effect on stylus life. To my mind it has to.
Henry
but it could also be that the grit's affect is very, very minor relative to the life of the stylus. there could be an "effect"...but a marginal one at that.i guess the "it has to" have an effect argument doesn't hold much water for me; a controlled experiment would be most interesting. i'm guessing the 2 people i spoke with probably know the product best and are more likely to know the actual effect of most dirty vinyl on certain stylus shapes.
NB: we're talking more dirty/dusty records here than "trashed" records covered in "gunk".
I cannot believe that any manufacturer or seller of audio gear would try wasting their records or stylii to prove this dirt not matter point. How can they be sure that my dust and grit is cleaner than theirs ?(LOL)
I have a few vintage cartridges that have multi-thousands of hours on them ! For the last 17 years, I use an Ortofon SPU/SPE elliptical, with its step-up trannies riding tandem in the headshell ! Over 8000 hours is an (easily beat) estimation. I keep my records and stylus clean with Discwasher products, and often, simply use the Discwasher record brush dry, without fluid.
Above, someone claimed that elliptical and microridge/line contact types last longer ? I dispute that claim, as conicals make the least contact with the groove. I have more than a few, very well used 45+ year old conicals, that look clean under <80X magnification, while some of my line contact types quickly show black markings, inside the tips, albeit still very useable.
I hope that some manufacturer would step up to the plate on this cool thread. Diamonds can be forever...
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