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In Reply to: RE: Absolutely, and McDonalds is the best selling hamburger ever. Your pointZ? posted by viridian on May 21, 2021 at 09:34:52
Please point me to a near mint original pressing of Kind of Blue that is cheap. I will buy it!!! And of course the bigger point is that not all verisons are sonically equal. This is an audiophile forum. There does tend to be a particular interest in sound quality. The point of this new reissue is supposedly a better sounding version. One that you can't buy anywhere else.
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I suppose the magic vinyl and curated tape player and system can overcome that inconvenient observation and result in more audiophile fodder and a better sounding record. Fair enough, and in that context a good buy for someone.
No idea about mint, and near mint, as these have never been considerations for me. Why not just ask for a sealed copy from the 1950s?
"I suppose the magic vinyl and curated tape player and system can overcome that inconvenient observation and result in more audiophile fodder and a better sounding record."No. No magic here. But what we do have is a record cut directly from the three track master tape as opposed to a third generation stereo mix that has EQ, compression and rolled highs and lows. We also have Bernie Grundman's vastly better custom mastering chain with a superior cutting amp. And we have Bernie Grundman who knew how and did cut the the record without the compression, EQ, rolled bass and rolled highs of the original cut. THAT can and does make for a better sounding record.
Not to mention vastly superior vinyl formulations and far greater care taken with the pressings. Columbia did not have the best rep for quiet vinyl even when fresh off the presses
"Fair enough, and in that context a good buy for someone."
And in the actual context of facts that you seemed to have missed It's a good buy for soemone interested in sound quality
"No idea about mint, and near mint, as these have never been considerations for me."
Once again, they are considerations for those who would actually like to listen to the music and not the noise of a damaged record"Why not just ask for a sealed copy from the 1950s?"
Truth is sealed copies stand a good chance of suffering from factory defects. As someone with an eye on sound quality the standard would be near mint.
Sooooo where are the cheap ones?
Edits: 05/23/21
Aren't you tired after an interminable argument with a jerk named "glotz" over at Analog Planet? Didn't you ask yourself if responding to someone like that is a big waste of time? I'm actually embarrassed that I read most of it. Though it may be interesting to observe "combatants" in the heat of battle, I can't help feeling there are so many better and more useful things we could be doing. I include myself in this as well.
really. You do.
I just think there is just soooooo much gross misinofrmation from all fronts in audio and so much urban legend and absurd nonsensical beliefs that it is worth while to try to post and defend some fact based information.
It is probably kind of funny that on the one hand I am touting the virtues of this record here while questioning the virtues of the technology of the pressing machines over on Fremer's page. But like I said, there is so much bullshit from all fronts.
I dunno, am I promoting rational thought and fact based decision making or am I slaying windmills? I'd like to think I am just following the golden rule. I actually do appreciate it when other people give me factual information about this stuff.
"I dunno, am I promoting rational thought and fact based decision making or am I slaying windmills? "
Here's my assessment:
They have sold out 25K copies so lots of audiophiles clearly want this. The cognoscenti have spoken, LOL.
Something I feel we need more of in audiophilia.
All the stampers are from the 1995 mastering Bernie Grundman did for Classic Records. He used the original tapes at that time. Fremer had a nice write-up on the various reissues/remasters on his site.
Grundman had to have used the original tapes from the late 1950s as the basis for his work in the 90s, or what am I missing? To me, none of this matters. KOB lives on because it was a moment of musical genius in jazz, a successful departure from bebop from Miles who was a central figure in the origin of bebop. You can hear that even on the radio, even from the crappiest but playable used LP copy. It was a revelation to me when I first heard it at age 15 and turned me into a jazz nut for life. For Miles personally, it seems to have been only a temporary stage in his constant progression.
No one is questioning the musical achievement of Kind of Blue. The one and only issue with this particular record is the unique sound quality it offers.
**IF** that doesn't matter Kind of Blue can be had for pretty cheap on the used market.
I have 4-5 versions, ranging from the original Columbia 6-eye mono that I bought when I was a teenager to several of the re-issues, including one of the 45-rpm versions. My point would be that ultimately the quality of any re-issue must be limited by the quality of the source material used to make it and that once I owned a really audiophile worthy pressing or two or three, I, for one, do not feel the need for another. It's only my opinion, and I don't disagree or disapprove of collecting KOB re-issues, or especially if you are a newbie to jazz or audio. One could do worse with money. I guess another point in the back of my mind is that you can hear the "greatness" in the music without fancy equipment or a boutique LP copy.
which is your favorite?
because I haven't thought about it. Certainly the 45rpm version is very good. But I often choose not to play it, because I don't want to be jumping up to change sides nearly twice as often as normal. I have a British Columbia pressing ("CBS" is I think the British version of Columbia), and it's also very good, quiet. I also have a Columbia 2-eye that's excellent.
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Without checking, I would guess that a whole lot of the 15 ips 2 track tapes in my collection were sourced from 60-year-old master tape (or dubs thereof). That would definitely include Chad Kassem's new reel-to-reel spectacular of "Blues and the Abstract Truth" we discussed over at Tape Trail. Thankfully, well=kept tape lasts a long time.
As I said there, not a tape guy...yet, but looking forward to replacing my recent Euro copy with the new Impulse reisssue on LP. A touchstone album for sure. Just wish that an original was within my budget.
Edits: 05/23/21
I've been here 20 years. No one ever told me!! 🤔
I think since it started. Funny, when you do a google search on Audio Asylum this is what pops up
"Audio Asylum -- Audio Reviews, Audiophile Forums and ...www.audioasylum.com"
who knew?
I guess we're talking about two different things. Yes, certainly audiophiles frequent this site. I think of the Vinyl Asylum more as a place to discuss everything vinyl, whether the recording is considered "audiophile" or not.
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