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This is a good time to consider upgrading from your Crosley turntable.(I, for one, would like to know if any of these reviewed turntables would best an old SONY deck, for instance, with the curved tonearm, which was a popular item in its day.)
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I'm not familiar with any of these "record players" but it wouldn't take much to be better than the Crosley I saw a few years ago.In the past, didn't CNN have one or more audio writers who knew something about the subject? This author is really questionable. If they don't know the difference between a preamplifier/preamp and a phono stage, why would they be writing about turntables?
OK, it was written for beginners as an introduction. But all the more reason to get them started correctly.
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"The only cats worth anything are the cats who take chances. Sometimes I play things I never heard myself." Thelonious Monk
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Interesting as these are presented as record players and not turntables. Of course they are, however most here, I assume would not. Not that there's anything wrong with that ...
They chose the oneturntablerecord player that's head-and-shoulders better than their other review samples. And the only $300turntablerecord player they listened to is declared "The best [entry-level] record player of 2021". What a crock.
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The RT84 and RT85 are even better, and come with an Ortofon 2M Blue. I love to see folks getting into these rather than the groove chewers at the bottom of the market.
which was the typical entry-level turntable circa 1977. The old Kenny is a pretty good unit, but the Fluance might even be better.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Even a mid 80's Kenny KD-12RB belt drive semi auto was not a shabby deck for all the plastic plinth etc it had and I "suffered" it for 22 years and a few belts (4) but never broke down or anything, I did keep it oiled in the platter though. The last belt was last January, and it took out the noticeable wow when I checked its speed with a speed wheel, otherwise, it worked well.
The ONLY issue was the little piece of foam that went up against the pin that the arm mechanism used to push back the tonearm when shutting down disintegrated and the glue that held it in place kept sticking to the arm's pin and when it pulled back, it would pull the arm towards the record with a scritch as it lowered. A piece of cotton swab for removing makeup solved that a few years back.
Doubt most modern Chinese/Taiwanese budget tables will last nearly as long these days.
Given a decent cart and phono stage, that old Kenny didn't sound too bad/horrible. :-)
If anything, there's less to go wrong on the Fluance.
Got two Kenny 2055s and the motor mounts are shot on both of them. Can't get parts for those like you can for Duals or Miracords either.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
True all that. Not sure if you can't just find some suitable replacement rubber for those Kenny's.
Anyway, mine is like many low end components of the 80's, no isolation for what looks to be a cassette motor that is screwed directly into the escunsions on the bottom of the plastic fantastic plinth.
Did well for what it was!
Just gotta take the thing apart and do some measuring.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Agree. Though to be honest, not impressed by Fluance due in part to it's just a Taiwanese/Chinese clone of a budget model that's been around in various guises since the 80's, though the arm has been updated to reflect it's retroness S shape, though in actuality, likely not any better than the straight arms that were so en-vogue back then (My old Kenwood was like that), but likely better put together than what's sold now and was still a choochin' some 35 years later until I replaced it with a Rega last spring.
The real comparison is to Crosley and the entry level AT 120 IMHO, and there it becomes a clear winner, but once used is thrown into the mix, it's anyone's game.
I will tell you my bizarre Rega experience of the last year. I had a Rega RP6 with Exact as a backup table to play thrift store records. It was my second RP6, having sold the first one because we never really got along. When I sold the Linn's and SOTA, the RP6 became my primary table, but I just did not like something about it. Kind of a pervasive darkness that I remembered from my first RP6 and my RP3.
I have owned Regas since the early 1980s and am a real fan, trying to always have at least one around. At any rate I saw a NAD 533 for $100 and thought I would buy it to harvest the RB250 tonearm off of it for an idler project that I am working on. The NAD 533 is an old style Planar 2 with an MDF platter rather than the thin glass of the Planar2.
You probably know the rest of the story, I preferred it by miles to the RP6, not that anyone else would. Sold the RP6 and bought the heavier glass platter of the Planar 3, as well as the metal end stub from an RB 300 arm. The final piece was that I had a Rega tungsten counterweight and some spacers in my parts drawer. For short change it is great. As it happened, a friend offered me his RB250 arm with Origin Live end stub and counter weight as well as Incognito Cardas retire and an Origin Live VTA adjuster. That arm is a step up from the original one, but I could happily live with the other. Now that I have an extra RB250 I'm looking for a more ambitious table with a Rega cut out.
that few of the Japanese budget decks 50 years ago were actually made by the company that sold them. Most likely, they were CEC products. Look at the tone arms.
CEC was just the Hanpin of the 1970s.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
That's interesting. I don't find the current P6 dark, but I also run my phono stage with Grado Prestige Green 1 at 82K, the old Kenwood with that cart and same phono stage (a Muffsy PP4 came off darker, even set at 82K). Though the real reason was it bloated in the lower mids/upper bass, lending a darnkness to the overall sound, plus it did appear to roll off the treble a little too.As to Fluance, yeah, sounds about right. It's really just the same table with or without the phono stage and a feature or two, but identical in all other respects.
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I still have a soft spot for the P3-2000 and the P25.
That's very true, all but the dust cover and hinges were revised in this iteration.
I'm spinning Gaucho on it now. :-)
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The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
.....some of the more A list, flashy, drummers. But what a career. I think this one is one of the best Tone Poets for music as well as sound.
I have a CD of "Standards" by Morgan, which is another one where they had the performances in the vault for 20 years, or so, before releasing them. Was it really such an embarrassment of riches at Blue Note that they could just shelve this stuff forever? It boggles my little mind.
The record store had the TP for $30 and a used Japanese pressing complete with obi for $65. Needless to say...
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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.....pressings. Peggy Lee Black Coffee, the two by Nina Simone and Out of the Cool. I'm out of money until I sell some gear.
I did buy a Tangospinner sub platter and feet for my FrankenRega off of Audiomart this morning. Fingers crossed.
I've already got a boatload of Nina Simone stuff, couple of them are UMG reissues pressed in Holland.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
...opined that the Pure Pleasure Out Of The Cool was superior to the new UMG for the same $. I have not checked that out yet, but my experience with PP is not so good so I might just go with the UMG.
According to Michael Fremer, the Verve/AP reissue of Out of the Cool will be cut all analog from the original master tape.
Don't think I've got anything from Pure Pleasure, but the reissue of Roy Haynes' Out of the Afternoon from Verve/AP is outstanding.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
:-) Which Morgan LP? I only have Cornbread at the moment and it's the Tone Poet copy I picked up last year, or in 2019.
Sometimes one just needs to get some of that Dan goin' :-)
Just finished side 2 and am awaiting a pizza I just made to cook and will have some red wine to wash it all down with.
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Very cool. Just finished dinner and watching Ron Pratt on YouTube rescue a car that almost slid down a ravine in the snow while I ate. My Friday night ritual.
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