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What is the minimum I need to spend up to have a decent improvement. I am mostly concerned about the natural presentation of the music. I recently got a Hana SL cart which I like a lot, so I would like to use that cart on a different TT. I do not need a platform to upgrade tonearm, platter, etc. because I am not a tweaker. I am a set it and use it kind of guy. Also I am 50-50 invested in vinyl and digital and hence do not want to go overboard.The ones that have been suggested by a local audio store are:
1. Feickert Volare
2. EAT C-Sharp
3. Mofi Ultradeck (I had this and had a problem with noise from power switch)
4. Project RPM 10
5. Project Xtension 9I am willing to drop up to $2.5k, but I do not know about another 1 - 1.5k. Also I have been searching the used market and have not found anything to my liking. Also because I am fussy, I am scared about buying used without no return option.
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I. Dandaroy
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Moddable, but seriously impressive right out of the box. Built to last a bomb blast. No cogging issues. Rock stable speed.
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I. Dandaroy
I always recommend to people in your price range a Well Tempered Simplex table. It's easy to setup and sound better than most tables under 4k. I loved mine. Compared it to a bunch of other tables and it's such a smooth clean more satisfying sounding table.
Looks like dynavector is the US dealer. How do you buy one?
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I. Dandaroy
I bought mine from Peter at Venice Audio in Los Angeles. He's great!
I haven't heard it, but a good friend had a Merrill heirloom table that sounded outstanding.
George Merrill is noted in turntable design.
My friend replaced his older SOTA with the Technics SL1200GR and he thinks it is outstanding!
I passed up a Sota Star Sapphire once for 700 clams and regret it to this day. If the 1200/1210 can beat it though, that's pretty impressive.
I got your Star with Alphason arm and Talisman S cartridge for $750. It was a good deal and I haven't looked since.
I still have a Delphi mk2 that I got from the owner of the dealer who had the Sota, but that Star Sapphire was quite impressive. I shook the rack that it was sitting on and watched the platter stay perfectly still while everything around it moved. It was the non-vacuum one.
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If it was a non vacuum it was a Sapphire the vacuum made it the Star. The Delphi was nice but I heard they were harder to set up. The SOTA is a set it and forget it turntable. We have similar tastes in equipment although my stuff is mid 90's vintage. I would like to try tubes again with the Vandersteens I had an Audible Illusions 2D preamp with Dyna Mk.III on a pair of 2C Vandersteens when I started. Maybe Quicksilver Mid Mono's.
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I swear I saw the word STAR on there but I could be wrong. It had that orange/yellow acrylic mat and gold metal platter. Maybe I don't understand what's involved in the setup of my own table. All I do is adjust the feet so the bubble level is centered. I haven't done anything else with it. I swapped back in my tube amp and now have a total of 16 tubes with every piece on, and little computer fans blowing on some of it because it's in a partially enclosed rack. It's making my already too warm upstairs bedroom even warmer :-(
One way to tell there's a lip on the platter for the vacuum. It could also be a conversion where they add the vacuum to a Saphirre. It maybe changing things like arms or springs that are hard. Tubes are nice with Vandersteens but I'm in a small NY apartment so I don't need the heat.
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What table would you be replacing?
-Wendell
Project Classic SB.
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I. Dandaroy
I bought a Planar 6 last month. It's terrific. The Planar 8 has a better arm and the platter is driven by two belts.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Rega was also my first thought, an easy recommendation because it is a well developed and highly respected new design from a top player in the industry.
I really like my older design Mitchell gyro spider, which still gets the occasional review in the English press as a don't sleep on this oldie but goody product.
I went for a design from a recognized guy who voiced the table and arm together, seeking a unified audio result to better utilize my budget.
My main purchase goal, besides staying in my budget, was an arm with on the Fly adjustment, knowing that the modern tip shapes were the only type of cartridges I would be buying in the future.
Are all the impressions with the stock cart or otherwise? Also how long are the RCAs?
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I. Dandaroy
I use an AT VM540ML in my Planar 6. IMO, this is the best cartridge I've ever used.
The cables are long enough to reach the phono stage which is on another shelf. They're low capacitance, too, at least according to Rega.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
The RCA's are probably one meter long and, certainly, not any shorter, but then you should note that they are near the tonearm end.
I had trouble with short RCA's on an original (old) planar and I will note that the new RCA's are longer.
I presume they typically audition the P8/RP8 with the Apheta II which I think is comparable to cartridges in the $2K range.
I have the RP8 and I'm very happy with it. I bought it used, but you wouldn't know by the condition as they hold up very well.
I listened to the P8 with both the Ania and Apheta. Former is 750$. Now they have a Ania Pro at around 1kUSD with better profiled stylus.
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that's a lot of dough for a piece of packing cardboard. The EAT looks likes nice but it's above your stated price range. If you were to go that high, I would look at a suspended Sota.
I am not a Rega fanboi but recent Rega are great for the money if you wanna have some fun listening to records.
I, too bought the P6 and love it, despite running a $95 Grado Prestige Green on it, but a good phono stage and it sounds fantastic.The 8 has the skelital plinth version of the same plinth design as the 6 (core is a foam with a stress phenolic skin for strength, has an improved 2 belt drive system, better platter and I believe bearing and of course, the arm is also an upgrade from what the 6 gets.
Like the P6, it gets the same Neo PSU as the 6 standard in the box.
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A friend with a new Planar 8 had me over for an extended listening session (pre-covid). I was very impressed with the Rega, great sounding table and completely set and forget.
...which is about USD1200
The pitch stability and imaging precision that is possible with direct drives is what you gain. The arm is height adjustable and the built-in phono stage can be bypassed.
Check out Fremer's opinion.
Regards Anthony
"Beauty is Truth, Truth Beauty.." Keats
seems to be absent which is odd for a Technics. Or is that more for the DJ's? I do use the adjust on my Oracle but only because I NEED to (it wanders and needs to be tweaked when I switch between 33/45)
The speed adjustment with traditional belt-drives relying on a synchronous AC motor is related to the fact that the motors tend to slow down over time - which is why they tend to all be set fast when new.
DJs need access to a wide pitch range for beat matching/pitch bending hence why the 1200mk2 added the slider to the original Mk1 design.
I have had an SL1200mk2 since the 90s. I am not a DJ and have never once needed to use the pitch control when just playing back records for transcription or enjoyment.
The SL1200mk2 absolute speed is something that can be adjusted internally with pots related to the motor control IC. The new revamped technics models have a different procedure that is basically a "self adjustment" and can't be done "incorrectly" if you accidentally fiddle with the DIP switches from what I have seen on recalibrating the Mk7 (which is based on the new motor). In other words, absolute speed error is not something you are likely to encounter with the SL1500C.
The video is from a guy in the UK who specializes in servicing Technics decks and knows his stuff.
Regards Anthony
"Beauty is Truth, Truth Beauty.." Keats
Opus 33 1/3
The pitch adjust on my Technics SP-15 and SL-1200MK5 is very useful for spinning early acoustic discs, for example Pathe and Edison Diamond Discs requiring 80 RPM playback. (My SL-1200MK5 is modified for 78 playback). Other than that, the pitch adjust is primarily used by DJs. Not necessary if one is spinning 45 and 33 1/3 RPM discs at home.
The Technics SL-1500C is my last turntable. Paired with a better than stock cartridge and my EAR 834P phono preamp I could not ask for more.
Opus 33 1/3
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