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I bet its a killer cartridge, but never thought I'd see a Grado THAT expensive. Wonder what the retipping charge is.
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I don't speak for the majority but it's always been a paid for roof over my head, good food on the table, decent healthcare and a great stereo has always been
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Total BS - InsanityThese guys are good in the lower end. 12K yhgtbfkm. I wasted 3K on a Statement 1 once upon a time believing the MKTING BS & reviews. I could not resell it for jack...Lost 2K in short order. Did not care for the cartridge at all...Never Again!
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I met Joe Grado back in the early 90's when I sold him a Nikon video lens it was right around the time they were releasing their headphones. I gave him a deal on the lens he gave me a TMZ cartridge for my Sota. After speaking with him I got the sense he was for good audio for the common man. I'm sure a $12K cartridge would go against that belief but I'm sure not many will be sold. This is more an exercise of we can so we should and maybe it will draw attention to the rest of the line.
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"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
Give yer head a Shake.
... that may or may not hum in your turntable.
Prehistoric 4-Channel Lizard
Edits: 08/04/17
I was gonna say Grado makes a decent 50$ cartridge. :)
a maker of reasonably priced cartridges, and this 12 grand cart seems particularly off the wall due to that perception. As a Grado owner/fan, I am among those who were taken aback by the idea of a 12 grand Grado.
While like John Elison I'd never consider buying a $12,000 cartridge, I do suspect the new top of the line Grado is an EXTREMELY good cart. I just view the price as yet another example of a hifi company following the money. Like so much of today's hifi products, Grado's new cart is utterly irrelevant to me.
There's a long list of hifi companies chasing the contents of the pockets of wealthy audiophiles, including quite a few makers of tt's/arms/carts/phono stages. Just as an example of a few very expensive carts......
Air Tight Opus 1 cart - $15,000
Air Tight PC-1 Supreme - $11,000
Clearaudio Goldfinger Statement - $15,000
Dynavector XV -1t - $9,450
Koetsu - 6 carts costing 10 grand or more
Kuzma CAR-60 - $12,995
Lyra Atlas - $11,995
I could list a group of VERY expensive tt's, arms and phono stages (not to mention amps/preamps/speakers/wires etc.), but you get the idea.
At a time when most of the world's wealth is in the hands of a relatively small group of people, its not surprising that hifi manufacturers are trying to entice that group to part with some of their cash. I was surprised that Grado has now joined the fray, but they're hardly alone.
I see it like a clothing designer selling a thong made of diamonds, rubies and chinchilla foreskins. They don't expect to sell one, they just want people to talk about it in the media. If by some fluke someone does want to order one ... "HELL YEAH, show me the money!"
Prehistoric 4-Channel Lizard
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The extremely high prices for certain pieces of stereo equipment in my view fall into the same area of comparisons in other totally unrelated products, e.g., automobiles (although you can buy audio gear that costs more than an expensive car!) and wines. Any decent automobile will accomplish the basic transportation tasks required, but, if you can afford it, why not spring for one that gets it done with style and provides at least a measure of additional satisfaction. And there are many excellent bottles of wine at more than reasonable prices, under $20 or even under $10, that are perfectly enjoyable, but why not a $500 Grand Cru Bordeaux if you have the bread?
That said, I use a perfectly satisfactory Ortofon 2M Blue that sells for $236. Would I like to have a multi-thousand dollar cartridge? Damn straight...but then I'd have to buy a new mega-buck turntable to justify the extra performance I'd be getting from the cartridge!
> I'd have to buy a new mega-buck turntable to justify the extra performance I'd be getting from the cartridge!
I think you are under a misconception about mega-buck cartridges. They perform no better than ordinary cartridges -- only differently -- and they cost a whole lot more. The turntable and tonearm you now own will work just fine with any number of mega-buck cartridges. The only problem is that you may find your Ortofon 2M Blue provides more satisfaction than any mega-buck cartridge you can find. That's what happened to me and that's why I gave up on mega-buck cartridges. It's not that they don't sound good, it's just that they often don't sound any better than more reasonably priced cartridges.
Good luck,
John Elison
Unfortunately the written word-even on the Internet-doesn't always convey the writer's intent with regard to humorous or tongue-in-cheek expression as well as verbal inflection. I wasn't being the least bit serious about the need to ascend to a mega-buck TT, especially since the TT/arm combo I already have (Scheu/Moerch) cost more than $3,000 when purchased 10+ years ago and would probably be pushing $5,000 in today's market. In fact I've never had a cartridge on this setup that exceeded $800.
Thanks anyway for the lesson.
I wouldn't ever spend more than $1000 on a phono cartridge. I have spent more in the past and it was a waste of money. Furthermore, Michael Fremer's cartridge comparison four years ago proved it for me. If you remember, he uploaded hi-res 24/96 digital recordings of nine different inexpensive cartridges on a VPI Traveler turntable and then he through in a recording of his mega-buck Continuum Caliburn turntable with Ortofon's top-of-the-line MC Anna cartridge. It seems that 88% of everyone who voted preferred the VPI traveler to his mega-buck Continuum Caliburn.
Currently, my favorite cartridges are my Denon DL-S1 and my Audio Technica ART7. Both of these cost less than $1000 and I believe they will stand up against the best. Mega-buck cartridges are not designed for people who want good sound quality; they are designed for people who want to bolster their egos. In fact, just about all mega-buck high-end audio components are designed for people who want an ego trip and have the money to pay for it. You can achieve excellent sound quality at a reasonable price if you want.
Good luck,
John Elison
Only a waste of money if the electronics can't reveal their strengths. With low priced components, expensive cartridges are a waste of money. As are expensive cables and other tweaks.
The entire vinyl process is plagued with distortion. There is nothing an expensive cartridge can do to correct it. If your goal is performance, an ultra expensive cartridge is a total waste of money. On the other hand, if your goal is to spend a lot of money on a phono cartridge, an ultra expensive cartridge is a godsend.
If you haven't measured the performance of vinyl, it might be an eyeopener for you. You'll find the most expensive cartridges often have the highest levels of distortion. The reason for this is that they have to be made to sound different so the salesman can convince you they sound better. If you can't hear the difference, how can any salesman convince you to spend gobs of money on a component that sounds the same as all the other components?
However, if it makes you feel better to spend 12k on a phono cartridge, then by all means enjoy yourself. You only live once. If you have the money and it gives you pleasure then I say go for it. The best thing about this hobby is that the poor man can have just as much fun as the rich man and the poor man can put together a system that sounds every bit as good as the rich man's. Isn't audio great?? ;-)
Best regards,
John Elison
"On the other hand, if you goal is to spend a lot of money on a phono cartridge, an ultra expensive cartridge is a godsend."
One of your funniest lines yet!!!
> One of your funniest lines yet!!!
Thanks! I worked hard on that one! ;-)
I assume a reviewer will buy one at accommodation. $6000?
-Wendell
Like you, for me it would be a waste of money. Actually, it would be fiscally irresponsible for me.
But, for the guy lucky enough to be able to throw that kind of money around and derive happiness from throwing that kind of money around ...its not a waste for him.
And there is always the chance that guy will think it sounds great.
For the folks with $100,000+ invested in their table, what's another $12,000? Chump change.
You can't hang a $1K cartridge on the end of the arm mounted on a $100K+ table.
Heresy !
High-end makers need statement pieces ...to, uh, make them look high-end.
Whether they sell many is probably not a concern.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
I remember when VPI 1st demonstrated their 3D printed arm. They put a cheap Grado on one next to a $4000 cart, and left several reviewers unable to justify the more expensive spread.
I can't afford more than $1000 on a consumable like a cart. So I invested in a Prime to get that 3D arm. I've heard it with a Quintet Black, a Cadenza Red and a DV 20 with a Soundsmith Ruby Re-tip. I got the best sound out of a cart many have never heard of, the Charisma MC1. I'll be re-tipping it until the cows come home. I don't feel the need to spend more.
I listened to a Magico system where the cables cost more than my entire rig, and found it only sounded marginally better than mine. the high end of the high endis just insane.
Do you have maybe a pic of or a link to that 3-D printed arm?
Do you know how to look up VPI's website?
"You can't hang a $1K cartridge on the end of the arm mounted on a $100K+ table."
I'm not sure he would agree with this statement if you read his comments in his response to an earlier post of mine. But I'm sure he can speak for himself.
'and I believe they will stand up against the best.'
And you know this because you have listened to all the best?
Some might claim $1K on a cartridge is a waste of money. All a matter of perspective and of course the size of one's wallet.
Let me ask a question that really belongs in the high-rez forum (where the discussion has died out) but is related to the current discussion. How about megabucks for digital sources? People will spend huge sums for complicated multi-box setups. Is this sensible?
For a more focussed discussion, relevant to me personally, what about the Marantz SA10, a CD/SACD/DAC that is selling for about $7,000. It does seem to have quite a bit of engineering and some fancy construction. It also has a unique DAC (not really a DAC at all, according to some.)
But will it really sound that much better than, say the Marantz SA14? The SA10 uses a similar
system to the PS Audio Direct Stream, I think, but the latter requires two boxes and will cost even more.
This is of some (maybe academic) interest to me because I bought an SA14 a year or so ago.
SACD's sound very good indeed, but CD's, although pleasant are still pretty boring compared to my vinyl system, by and large (not always, depends on the discs). I think somewhat wistfully of the SA10....
IME spending megabucks on digital set-ups does not yield the same levels of improvement as with vinyl.
To be fair I have not played with many megabuck digital set-ups. My wallet can only afford so much. So I have decided to spend the money on vinyl and digital while very nice sounding is my secondary set-up.
I do have several friends with expensive digital set-ups and yes they are better in every regard versus my digital set-up but the difference is not that great IMO. Certainly not given the dollar differences in the systems.
When you ask whether something will "sound better" you're asking for a subjective opinion. Therefore, you should be the only person to answer that question for yourself because what sounds better to one person might not sound better to another. You know what they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
If, on the other hand, you're asking whether it takes $7000 to achieve objective accuracy, I don't think so. I think my $1000 TASCAM DA-3000 DSD recorder is very accurate. At least when I copy a vinyl record, the digital copy sounds exactly like the vinyl record to me. I also think the DA-3000 sounds good, but that's just my subjective opinion. You might think otherwise. Therefore, it's always best to determine sound quality for yourself since you're the only person who must be satisfied.
Good luck,
John Elison
' I think my $1000 TASCAM DA-3000 DSD recorder is very accurate. At least when I copy a vinyl record, the digital copy sounds exactly like the vinyl record to me.'
Interesting but in the end this really tells us nothing about the merits of your vinyl set-up or any vinyl set-up. It tells us that a digital copy can be a very close copy of the original. That is a great thing but means nothing when it comes to merits of spending $5K, $7K or $20K for a phono cartridge.
A good friend had a ZYX airy that I listened to quite a bit. He had it mounted on a VPI superscoutmaster running into a bunch of very nice VAC electronics, sonus faber speakers and cardas cabling. His system was excellent and satisfying but to my ears not as detailed, dynamic, or balanced as mine. However, when we start talking about > several thousand dollar cartridges, we are veering OT.I do think we all agree that what we are seeking is a system that we find satisfactory for ourselves. I essentially arrived there several years back although I have made a couple tweaks in the last 1.5 years of so since I moved into a new home. My own several decade search took me well past < a thousand dollar cartridges and the search continued until I found the current ebony lps.
I also have a system upstairs. My analog front end is my rega planar 3 with dynavector 10x5 into a sim 310lp. Its pleasant but nothing like the main system.
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I will say that my Van den Hul Frog Gold, which costs somewhere between 2 and 3 thousand, was to me a very satisfactory purchase. i was listening last night to vinyl, after a hiatus devoted mostly to music on CD's and SACD's, and was again amazed and thrilled by the depth of musical detail and excitement the cartridge provides.
My memory of the Denon 103D from long ago is quite positive, but my system was different then and no reasonable comparison can be made.
> And you know this because you have listened to all the best?
I've listened to a lot of mega-buck cartridges. I've been to at least seven or eight major audio shows. I haven't heard anything that impressed me more than my own system except for a friends VPI HRX with the same Audio Technica cartridge that I have in mine.
However, feel free to spend your money on mega-buck cartridges if that's what turns you on. More power to you! We all have to enjoy our audio hobby as we see fit. ;-)
Best regards,
John Elison
Interesting but not much to go on for the merits of +$1K cartridges.
Too many variables to account for with show conditions to be able to narrow things done to what is happening with any given phono cartridge.
I have had the great fortune of being able to spend a lot of time with many exotic, expensive cartridges comparing them side-by-side, etc. Some of them are great some of them not so great certainly not worth their asking price IMO. But opinions will vary.
But one need not spend massive $$$$ on a phono cartridge to get great results from vinyl. I am actually spending time on the lower end of the market, below $500. Lots of fun to be had at the other end of the spectrum as well.
$1K can get one an incredible cartridge but it certainly will not represent the best that is available. Most of us will never be able to afford the best that is possible be it cartridges or anything else in the reproduction chain.
I do however find it silly that one discounts the megabuck cartridges when they have not actually listened to such cartridges.
< > $1K can get one an incredible cartridge but it certainly will not represent the best that is available.
That's simply your opinion. My opinion is the opposite.
> I do however find it silly that one discounts the megabuck cartridges when they have not actually listened to such cartridges.
I've listened to many mega-buck cartridges and I've owned two. If you're suggesting that I have to listen to every single mega-buck cartridge in the world to form a valid opinion, then your opinion holds no more validity than mine. In fact, it's even more silly of you to discount lower priced cartridges since they are vastly more accessible to more audiophiles than mega-buck cartridges.
In my opinion, if you've never actually measured frequency response, crosstalk response, harmonic distortion and intermodulation of any mega-buck cartridge and compared it to your own measurements of any lower priced cartridges, you have no business talking about the performance of any phono cartridge. But, that's just my opinion.
Oh, well. To each his own! Such is life! YMMV
Far too many times those fascinated with measured performance miss the forest because of the trees.
Measured performance is meaningful but the only thing that ultimately matters is how does it sound.
Everyone is entitled to make broad statements on worth, value. Arbitrary price points of that worth or value are generally meaningless.
> Measured performance is meaningful but the only thing that ultimately matters is how does it sound.
This is only your opinion just like your other opinion suggesting that people who measure audio performance don't listen. All audio hobbyists listen. A small percentage of us make measurements, too. Additionally, some of us also copy vinyl records to digital. But all audio hobbyists listen. That's the whole point of having an audio system.
Check the link below. It shows the results of a listening test in which a $2500 vinyl front-end trounced a $250,000 vinyl front-end.
There's nothing wrong with mega-buck components other than the fact that they're a waste of money if you care to listen closely.
Best regards,
John Elison
"...they're a waste of money if you care to listen closely."
If someone wants to spend a lot of money on stereo equipment that provides them with personal satisfaction, pride and, yes, perhaps even "bragging rights", who are you-or anyone else for that matter-to make such a bold generalization? It's your opinion, of course, and one to which you are clearly entitled, but what I don't think you're entitled to do, especially in the context of a hobby site like this one, is insult a person who chooses to believe otherwise, regardless of your thoughts on the matter. For them it's likely not a waste of money, but a source of pleasure.
I'm sorry! I forgot high-end audio was just a silly game that we all play to have fun. Therefore, you're right! I'll try to play it in a friendlier manner in the future.
Thanks!
John Elison
"For them it's likely not a waste of money, but a source of pleasure"
I totally undestand that - looking at it from a business perspective, companies need to pitch products at all price levels in order to cement their reputation as a "serious" or "high-end" manufacturer. There is a lot to be said for pride of ownership.
I was auditioning speakers some 11 years ago and was looking at MartinLogan Summits. The dealer told me he got them in for a client who took one look at the (then) flagship model and said "Is that it???!" He refused to even listen to them and demanded that an order be placed direct with ML for a bespoke pair of the Statement E2 model. Evidently the client was extremely underwhelmed by the APPEARANCE and needed something visually more impressive! The fact that he paid about 6x more was not even an issue!!
Stanton Magnetics is one example I can think of which focussed on superb engineering and charged what I considered a very fair price for the performance back in the day (ignoring the quality issues that plagued them from the mid 80s onwards!!). Once the engineering challenges have been solved, their is actually very little more that can be done to "improve" the sound. Anyone familiar with Stanton products would know that the models in each series are virtually identical. The materials used are identical for the most part with the changes being "under the skin" in order to meet specific performance attributes.
Beyond this point, marketing takes over. Stanton backed themselves into a corner having charged prices for their top models that was much less than competing models for the same or even inferior performance, so that they weren't taken seriously as an audiophile company. A segment of the market exists for whom price DOES imply performance, status and pride of ownership. By all accounts, the CS100 was an attempt to tap into a different aspect of the market by providing a product marketed as a "Collectors" edition, but wasn't particularly successful except for those of us already convinced by the performance of Stanton products. This information is direct from a former Marketing Manager with Stanton.
Regards Anthony
"Beauty is Truth, Truth Beauty.." Keats
Well done.
Our dealer gladly accepts returns of any cart his customers are not totally impressed with, and he prefers to install them himself, at no additional charge.
I think the "expensive" cartridge market would have fallen apart by now if a significant number of buyers felt their new cart didn't sound better than their old one, when it was new.
I tend to agree with John's basic thesis, although I have no personal experience of his particular two "reasonably priced" cartridges. I think what makes some of us buy very expensive cartridges some of the time is not the certainty that cost correlates with quality, necessarily, but the hope that the next particular purchase will prove to be the exception to the rule that quality and cost do not necessarily correlate. That's how the high end market survives and persists, by our willing suspension of disbelief.
spend a thousand dollars on a cartridge.
What a waste of money.
"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
I tend to agree with you. I just threw out the thousand dollar figure because I thought it seemed like a reasonable maximum. I bought my Denon DL-S1 brand new from Comet Supply for $535 and I bought my AT-ART7 brand new from 2juki for $699.
The momentum on this thread is for the assertion that expensive cartridges aren't worth the money. I don't entirely agree. Its all about finding the right component. I've had a number of expensive cartridges including a clearaudio harmony wood that my brother still runs. That cartridge was a big disappointment to me. It is harsh, has a lot of tizzy treble energy, andis not particularly balanced. However, my benz ebony lp-s is incredibly balanced and detailed. Its the best cartridge I have ever heard and I cherish it. I'm curious, has anyone ever heard one?
Anybody who wants to hear my system in Portland OR simply needs to ask.
> However, my benz ebony lp-s is incredibly balanced and detailed. Its the best cartridge I have ever heard and I cherish it.
That's exactly how I feel about my Audio Technica AT-ART7. I've never tried a Benz but if it costs more than $699 then I'll probably just stick with my AT-ART7. I'd hate to be disappointed. ;-)
Thanks,
John Elison
Many times in my neighbor's very expensive system: Galibier turntable, Durand Telos tonearm, various phono stages, Coincident Pure Reference speakers and now Volti speakers with subwoofers. I agree it's "very good". I did not like it better than a ZYX UNIverse (original version) in the same system. The owner now uses a ZYX UNIverse Premium, which is up there in cost with the super Grado.
+1
I'd never even consider a $12K cartridge, even if I could afford one.
As far as Grado is concerned, I had VPI install a Grado Prestige Gold 1 (on their recommendation) on my Traveler when I ordered this 'table several years ago. I quickly realized why Art Dudley dissed this cartridge. What a boring sound. I can't necessarily say that it did anything glaringly wrong, but it really didn't do anything right, either. Then it began to hum. Begone Grado! A $70 (on sale from Amazon) Shure M97xE kicked the Grado's butt when temporarily installed on this Traveler. A $12K Grado? Get real!!!!!!!
Cheers,
SB
Costs have certainly spiraled out of control in audio. A $12k grado cartridge is certainly evidence of that.
No matter the cost, it takes effort to find good sounding components that have synergy with each other. And, it takes effort and knowledge to set up a system properly.
There are many expensive components that aren't worth the cost and are a waste of money. However, there are expensive components that are worth the cost and sound sublime.
I've owned more than a few > $1000 cartridges. My benz ebony lps is definitely worth what I paid for it (I don't remember what that was but it was several thousand dollars.) It sounds incredible on my acustic raven 1 with graham phantom running into the steelhead.
Do they sound different than your cartridges? Are they better in some areas or worse? I think you would say that they are not worth the differences if there are any.
Is that what you think? I would appreciate a response.
I see where the retired VPI owner prefers a 3K+ cartridge (not Koetsu). Is he hearing things?
"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
I've never owned a Koetsu. I've listened to a few at different times. One was the very expensive $15,000 Koetsu and it sounded sickeningly sweet. At first I was impressed with its sound but after 10-minutes I couldn't stand it any longer. It did something to the sound of cymbals that became very annoying. I liked the lower priced Koetsu cartridges better, although I thought they became a bit harsh in the highs after listening for a while. Anyway, if I were planning to spend several thousand dollars for a phono cartridge, I would probably buy the new Audio Technica AT-ART1000 .
The new Audio Technica AT-ART1000 is somewhat unique with its moving coils mounted directly above the stylus. I know this is probably not a good thing from the standpoint of minimizing effective tip mass, but the concept intrigues me. Therefore, I would love to hear it. However, it's $5,000 price tag is still way too expensive for me.
To each his own!
John Elison
I agree the price value relationship is completely out of reason, unless you, as the seller, need a new boat.But imagine the high fives when they sell one. If you don't ask, you don't get. I almost question the moral integrity of this price point, but I suppose that is taking my disappointment a bit too far. It's not like little kids are saving up to get ripped off. Nor I am in the market at those price points.
With these very expensive carts, I wonder about the labor costs, since most carts share the basic parts, more or less. Suppose it takes an entire day to construct the cart., instead of hours which is probably more on target. How much does the worker get , with the ability to generate such profit. I suppose they get regular wages, like a watchmaker, but with much less complication. How much work can actually be done with only a few pieces to assemble, With an optical comparator, small precise movements are easily viewed .
I don't mind paying for a better idea, and I don't begrudge a man fair profit. However, thrifty lad that I am , I stay with mass market products. I have seen the mark up on carts, and how they are discounted against that cost, so the customer gets the feeling the dealer is doing him a solid by cutting his outrageous profit back to reasonable. I stay with mass marketed carts to avoid the inflated list prices that are designed to be discounted, even knowing the popular priced carts also have unusually high mark up.
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Not having heard it nor even read about it, I would just point out, probably not news to at least some who post here, that you can actually spend more for a cartridge. The Needle Doctor alone lists at least five.
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"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
In the Positive Feedback piece linked, Bob Levi says that the cartridge has the lowest effective mass of any on the planet. Yet it is made from wood which is some of the densest known and has coils made from 24 karat gold (I found that out elsewhere). Yet it is supposed to have low mass?
Anyway guys, no need to worry overmuch about the $12K pricing. Grado are bringing out a cheapo partner next year called the Aeon. It is almost being given away at only $6K.
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The cartridge is an ego trip. Specs are not important to people willing to spend $12,000 on a phono cartridge. In fact, if Grado were to publish specs on such a cartridge, it might actually discourage some potential buyers. ;-)
I have heard some marvelous cartridges in my system.
But yeah... I see where you are coming from tho. After a certain point ( say, 1k), all you are paying extra for is an individual *flavour* of a cartridge, it seems.
Damn. I still really miss the sound of Miyabi 47. :(
I would like to know cartridge's output voltage,( my preference is lower output ) if I were in the market for a new cartridges as well as a distance between the tip of a stylus to the centre of mounting hole.
Indeed, where is they?
Needledoctor is selling the cartridge but of specifications there are none. Still, who needs specifications? Surely for $12K you can just buy on trust?
Where ARE they?
My apology for my poor Engrish. :D
Some specs come in handy to figure out a compatibility with a tone arm.
But yes. The true test is by test driving.
The more it costs, the less you need to know as a buyer. Meantime, back in the good old days of analogue, your new $200 MM cartridge would come with specs actually measured for that sample plus a frequency response graph.
I am not one to bash products "just because" of high price, but $12,000 cartridges do get my goat, cocoabola or no cocoabola (sp?).
it breaks through the $10,000 "cost barrier", and we are to perceive this as some sort of triumph, like exceeding the speed of sound or being able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. You know, like Superman.
I'm pretty ham handed, what happens when I drop it in the toilet? At least my Koetsu Rosewood floats.And as far as retipping goes....if you have to ask.....
And when did John Grado become brilliant? Probably about the time that he sold his first 12K cartridge. It must be cool to have an uncle in the cartridge business.
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retipping.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Joe is rolling in his grave
i remember clearly when joe came out with the first $500 & $1000 carts. NOBODY had one THAT pricey. then after nearly all makers DID come out with those kinds of prices, joe turned them all into castrati by coming out with the $200 8M!
...regards...tr
A $12k Grado?? I wonder if it hums like the rest of the line.
I experienced a hum with a Grado cart in a Music Hall table with an external speed box. Using a shielded/grounded cable from the speed box to the MH motor solved the hum problem.
From the description it doesn't seem to be a moving iron design like the rest so that " traditional" hum problem shouldn't occur.
I've never experienced hum with a Grado and I've had four or five, from the Black to the Reference Master.
Two friends have Grados on Rega tt's with zero hum. My Master did hum on my VPI 19. Mu metal around motor (and/or under platter) gets rid of it. Worked like charm for me.
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