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In Reply to: RE: Funny - those aren't MY perceptions! ;-) posted by Chris from Lafayette on August 01, 2017 at 21:09:45
How many times have you actually directly compared vinyl and digital sources that were derived from the same tape feed and not tweeked in any way by the mastering engineer? Without that any comparisons are poisoned by other variables. Not a lot of those kinds of things out there. James Boyk actually released a comparison package years ago of an LP and a CD of his recording of Pictures at an Exhibition. If you can survive the performance (sorry James if you are reading this but I don't like it) you can make this comparison with all other variables removed. There are a few other releases that do the same thing. I have seen one here at a local record shop in Hong Kong that is an everything comparison package. LP, CD SACD, hi res file and DVD-A. I think I might buy it. There's some really amazing cool stuff for music lovers/audiophiles here in Hong Kong
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How many times have you actually directly compared vinyl and digital sources that were derived from the same tape feed and not tweeked in any way by the mastering engineer?
In the commercial world, perhaps few to none. On the other hand, I have about a dozen different recordings that seem to have the same master on vinyl, CD and higher resolution digital.
Comparing vinyl to Redbook, I find each has strengths and weaknesses. Redbook wins at the bottom exhibiting less noise with vinyl demonstrating a more natural and extended top end. Dynamics can be good with either depending on the recording.
True high resolution recordings bridge the gap and provide the best of all worlds, IMHO.
But you're right that few of us have engaged in apples to apples comparisons. But even if you DO have parallel digital and vinyl sources, you STILL can't get a valid comparison, because your perceptions will always be affected by the very equipment you yourself are using (as opposed to the equipment someone else might be using)! So no matter what, comparisons are ALWAYS going to be "poisoned by other variables".That's the real world - we've got to live in it. ;-)
Edits: 08/01/17
As a person? As a recording engineer? As a teacher?
Just curious.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Take a look at this LP of Boyk's performance of Prokofiev's Sixth Sonata:
Ooh! He's so intellectual! What a magnificent artiste! You MUST think of "What kind of sound?" you want! Ooh! He has to keep track of all this stuff while he's playing - and he damn well wants to make sure YOU know it too. (As if anyone playing that work doesn't keep track of the same details - and more!) Basically, it's a lame attempt to take advantage of and impress the musically unknowledgeable.
Or. . . look at his uTube videos he's posted. They have titles like "MASTER TEACHER James Boyk REVOLUTIONIZES [someone else's] playing". (OK - my caps!)
I guess what I don't like is the self-aggrandizing aspects to his personality - it might be OK if he were a better pianist, but he's merely a good pianist IMHO.
Good? You give him more credit than I do. He's a minor league player at best IMHO. And I would not want to tell him that because I think that performance is what he cares most about. But he is excellent at recording piano. I think in terms of sound quality alone his records of piano are among the very very best. I enjoyed talking to him in person and even in emails. He has a great deal of passion for music and for recorded sound. But I can see how some of his self promotional material could be a bit over the top. And he does know piano sound really well.
as a pianist
Digital done with the intent of being transparent is transparent. There maybe some trace inherent colorations in CD but just barely but certainly not hi res or SACD. And the differences in sound of vinyl playback gear is IMO one of it's advantages. You can pick your "poison"(your colorations) so to speak so I do think the comparisons are fair. But I don't think they are the most important thing. Variations in mastering and source tapes matter more in many cases and that is why there is value in having all formats.
I think we can all agree with this statement!
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