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This was the sellers answer today. Is it believable?
"I bought that record in the early 1970s when I had my record shop. It has only been played 4 times at the very most. It has been stored for all these years on a shelf. You do what you have to do."
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I mean, the seller didn't say he stored it in the record sleeves on the shelf. ;-)
nt
I never, ever, buy a record that's covered in pet dander (at least I hope that's what it is). I've seen some bad ones, and I will have no part of it. I can hold my breath for a long time while I put that record back in the sleeve and stuff it back where it came from!
About the earlier post from hiatt@ . . ., a solution of 25/75 Woolite OxyDeep and distilled water does wonders. You need to apply the solution, let it rest, then scrub it vigorously with a microfiber cloth. Vaccuum, rinse with distilled water, vaccuum, and you're good to go. My brother snagged some old rock records that had been wet, and were never removed from the sleeves to dry. This cleaning routine had them at VG+ from a sonic standpoint. Of course, the sleeves are still trashed.
Jim
I am going to apply an enzyme solution first. I have already done a gross cleaning to rid most of the solids just by using my Groovmaster Label Saver, the sink faucet with 3" nylon paint brush, and a quick rinse with distilled water. After the enzyme trteatment, I will be using my homebrew surfactant plus 10% n-propanol solution followed by a steam distilled water rinse and vacuum. If that doesn't totally work, I may try your suggestion.
Just last week, I brought another mold covered LP back to life with the above process. That record was sold as SEALED. Right. After the cleaning, it is now dead silent.
..
nt
looks like a lot of paper dust to me.
* * *
Mint
These are absolutely perfect in every way. Often rumored but rarely seen. . .
* * *
"For a nominal service fee,
you can reach nirvana tonight."
Mint but has one or two tiny, inconsequential flaws that do not affect play . . . For many, Near Mint and Mint- mean the same thing."
What he's leaving out is that he played it with a belt-sander.
Jeff
"Decaf is for cowards."
Jack Kevorkian
I have actually had more issues with records that I have bought locally that looked great and sounded RK. I also have bought records in store that had no visible scratches and then, when looking at it in sunlight, I could see a fine scratch or two that made noises. It can be hard to detect visually whether a record will play with little noise, and surprisingly, I have had more luck with ebay sellers than my own two eyes, ouch! That being said, there are some sellers I won't buy from due to over-grading, and most have refunded my money when I bought a bad disc, not so in the local record stores. BTW, that is no mint-, and, for those who grade an open record as mint, only a sealed, non-played record can be mint...
This one was at a perpetual "flea market" type store. It was a late 70s / early 80s Capitol reissue, lots of scratches, some deep, and ring scratches from years of being dropped on a changer. Cover was beat to Hell, split on one side, ringwear...Sticker on the front said: "Mint! - $50".
I told my wife in a not-so-discrete manner that the record was either graded by Ray Charles, or some idiot who never looked up the meaning of the word "mint". She said "Shhhh!!! That guy might be within earshot." I told her that was the idea.
Stuff like that shouldn't irk me, but it does.
Cheers,
Bobbo :-)
Edits: 03/21/12 03/21/12
Maybe they are just selling for cover!!!!!!!!!
nt
or just plain stupid? I had a flea market woman say to me "You must not like music if you can't find something you like in all those records". I replied that the ones I looked at that I would have been interested in were all badly marred and scratched. She replied "well, I've got a product I will sell you that will take the scratches right out of those records and make em look like new" as she pointed to a stack of tins of some sort of polish. I was speechless. Also the records where stacked like pancakes in 4 ft piles. Oh, and when I first asked about price, as they were unmarked, she said "just pick out what you want and we'll talk about it". I didn't waste my time looking at many, but all the ones I did look at were trashed.
...there was a guy with a copy of Abbey Road. I didn't look at the condition because he wanted $150.
I asked him why so much and he said Beatles records are rare.
Right ...the Beatles ...never even heard of 'em. Doubt they recorded much or sold many.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
nt
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So what does he use now, I wonder? Mobil 1?
I'm going to try some Turtle Wax.
Why not Kielbasa?
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Music. Window or mirror?
nt
I wouldn't have cared, but a couple of them were early Elvis 78's. That hurt.
that treatment improved them.
nt
Good for you!
I would've shoved the LP under the moron's nose and asked him how/why he'd justify advertising a beat-to-crap record as "MINT?"
I don't believe "MINT" is a legitimate grade anyway. I have bought Near Mint copies of that Beatles Blue album a couple times at yard sales, never paying more than a buck for it.
@ Original Poster...
Unless that record cleans up to NM (doubtful from the looks of it), I'd say the seller grossly misrepresented the condition.
nt
Seriously, I don't think I've ever seen such a dirty record.
nt
I had to explain the WHOLE RECORD has to be 'like new' and not just 'most of it'...
I could have been like new if the two huge SCRATCHES in some tracks weren't there..
I have to admit i take a chance one in awhile.. but it is a total crapshoot.
So many times I try to find a NM or VG+ copy cheap and I end up getting someone's garbage and have to buy it again. I'd be better off going with an expensive seller from the start.
I try really hard not to buy records from Internet sellers. The last real Ebay buying spree was pretty bad, all classical stuff, too much of it "NM" but should have been "RK" (for Rice Krispies, of course).
___
The little old ladies wait in wild anticipation for the meetings of the Double-A-C-ASSN...
this is not a response to your particular situation, but to buying used records on ebay. i've reached the point where i will not buy an lp that is only graded visually and not graded via playback. i'm just amazed at the number of people selling records on ebay who, when asked if they've graded their lp aurally/via playback, respond by telling me that they don't have a functioning turntable.
nowadays that resemble the same things I visually look for at a thrift store sale, a garage sale, an estate sale, or a library sale.
I ask about shiny black or dull back; about the presence of fine or light scratches(static like sound); about deep scratches that might catch your fingernail(ticks and pops); about circular gray grooves(that would indicate groove damage); about warps; and about cracks and chips if they are 78s.
I rely on pictures and the seller's description for the jacket, as I am more interested in the record condition than the jacket.
Amazingly enough, I asked these questions of two sellers since Christmas, and they both lied. Now that is frustrating. I put it back in their faces by quoting their answers and taking digital photos. This seems to work most of the time, and some of the seller's excuses are comical.
............dirt gets into everything down here. I've purchased hundreds of yard and estate sale records over the last 20 years in Las Cruces. I have yet to see a record that filthy. I think you're correct to return it. On the one hand, it may clean up well. On the other hand, as you wrote, someone may have played it with all that crap on it.
nt.
I recently bought a used record from Acoustic Sounds, a fairly collectable Mercury which was just $10 and with the typical "0" info "opened amd most likely previously played". Same as pristine Cheskys, etc.
I took out the record and it had several large scuffs on both sides. I figured it was a disaster and why would AS risk their rep like that and offer it for sale?
Well, it cleaned up and plays with just a bit of background crackle and I'm thrilled with the music. Worth the $10 bucks fer sure.
Clean it!
fear I have is that the record was played in this terrible dirty state. There are also numerous other fine scratches that might be audible, so it would not be Near Mint even if it were cleaned.
As I mentioned below, I was able to completely restore another extremely dirty LP rated Near Mint yesterday by thoroughly cleaning it with enzyme and detergent solutions.
hopefully you either did not pay much or paid via paypal and get your refund that way. i would interpret his "do what you have to do" as an open door to file a paypal claim - the record is clearly worth a lot less than the listing claimed.
-andre d
nt
That is if the record next to it on the shelf was mint.
nt
I couldn't say more in fewer words. This guy is amazing!
Marty I played Jimmy Robinson last night. Thanks for the heads up on this album.
"Help support our school's Music programs"
nt
Your nitty gritty/vpi will work overtime on that disc!
Looks quite etched by a lo fi stylus, but I could be wrong.
The weird thing is, I have purchased records that looked similar, and after a cleaning, remarkably quite.
nt
and the result was a totally silent LP. It looked awful previously, and it even had green mold on one side despite its Near Mint rating. I advised the seller that everything was now okay and a refund was not necessary.
Then, today I receive this new eBay monster, and you can see that it was actually played dirty. That ground in dirt may not result in a quiet, Mint-, LP this time. It is hard to see in my pictures, but there are also numerous fine scratches on this LP. This too will lower the rating to below Near Mint.
As many other inmates have stated, the new eBay "Near Mint" is actually VG or VG+ at best. I actually limit myself to "Near Mint" auctions on eBay in hopes that the record will be a real, Goldmine or VJM, VG+ or Near Mint.
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