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In Reply to: RE: Mad Scientist Graphene-based Contact Enhancer posted by thegage on March 09, 2017 at 11:38:28
Last week, I received a tube of "graphene contact enhancer" from Mad Scientist Audio, and coated all the pins on all the tubes in my Decware Torii Mk III amp. The change with just "treating" the tube pins was far from subtle, creating a greater sense of ease and cohesiveness to the sound. All instruments are still distinct, but somehow seem to be part of a greater whole now, being better integrated. The soundstage also deepened a bit and became more holographic; for the first time I could actually tell that the clapping in the audience in a live Chuck Mangione album was coming from a location in front of and lower than the performers on the stage. Listening to a remastered hi-res download of "A Day in the Life", John Lennon's voice was floating around my living room in a very ethereal fashion; quite cool! I can't wait to find the time to treat all the rest of the connections in my system to see what further gains had be had. An amazing product, especially when you consider the amazingly low price of admission!
Chris
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I thought it made the music dark sounding and took it all off. Not impressed.
But it was nice to at least try it.
Interesting comment from Ozzyboy. One thing I've learned is that systems are all different and rarely does something work on every system.
I suspect he may have put too much on - the key to using this is to apply sparingly, as it's desgined to operate at a microscopic level.
So far we'd had only positive feedback, so I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has had the same experience as ozzy.
Oh you will hear what I think when mine arrives :)so to recap what is the best way to apply it very thin??
Look forward to playing around Bob
Lawrence
Edits: 05/01/17 05/01/17
It should arrive next week sometime.
I prefer using the foam applictor (we supply a few various types). Put a little on the foam and wipe gently onto the metal surfaces. If you put too much on, wipe off with a tissue and try again.
Further to my last message about applying sparingly - I did some exerimenting and I find you get best results like this:
1) Apply a little to one of the applicators, or a cotton bud (ideally do not use the brush in the bottle to apply).
2) Apply a very light coating to the contact(s)
3) Lightly dab with a tissue (like you'd use blotting paper to absorb ink) so that it appears to have almost none left.
(However you can confirm that there is still in fact graphene on the contact by now trying to polish - you'll see black on the tissue. To completely remove, clean with isoproyl alcohol or meths.)
Remember that this stuff acts at a microscopic level, measured in tens of nanometers, which you won't be able to see..
If you put too much on the results depend on the type of contact, and the surface finish. Some contacts don't mind being drowned, but some don't like it and give unpredictable results - if you hear strange effects like excess sibilance, muted bass, no highs, etc, then you have too much on there.
One more thing : GCE works at about 80% right after applying, but seems to immprove after 24-48 hours of being left alone. It's not really surprising in this case - the suspended graphene particles can take some time to flow into all the crevices.
Perhaps I did put too much of the Graphene on the contacts.
If I was going to try it again where would you suggest I try it first? Power cables, interconnects, speaker cables?
Thanks.
I am going to experiment first with fuses, then move onto other things, I had a similar experience like you ozzy, but it was with progold made it sound not right to me weird even.
What I am more worried about it bonding and not being able to be removed if I don't like it, or worse it gels (over time) becomes an insulator!
but bob assures that it should not gel time will tell.
Lawrence
Ozzy : I'd try interconnects first - they show the most effect in my experience.
I'd always said use sparingly, but after testing I found the ideal amount is even less than I thought. I will be updating the user sheet and emailing everyone who has bought it.
Lawrence : You can get it off with repeated cleaning until you see no more black coming off. Using some kind of alcohol makes this easier.
Basically a light wipe won't remove it, and this is in fact what you want to do for an ideal application. But a few vigourous wipes will remove it.
well so we don't wast it I think someone needs to come up with a precision nano applicator :)
Lawrence
Well one of the brushes it comes with is very tiny, small enough to get into 9-pin tube sockets.
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