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The consensuses seems to be, that the Sillpoints Ultra SS are the best isolation device for speakers and components. Just not sure I'm willing to spend the cash, and wondering what others have found, to be a close second?
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It started out as ...I wonder if this will work... and now I have them all over the place. After reading about the stillpoints and ceramic balls I priced some ceramic balls and they are expensive. So I tried some marbles (amorphous non crystaline ... like ceramic) and placed them in prescription bottle caps. At first I placed them in layers like the stillpoints but quickly discovered that even if not layered and not tight within the cap they worked (stable but enough lateral compliance to act as a bit of isolation) and they sounded good. They sounded good enough that I displaced some generation 1 aurios so I put them all over the place...under components, power supplies etc and I moved the system to a new sonic level. Give it a try.BTW if anybody knows a good inexpensive source of ceramic balls please let me know. I know ceramics will be better.
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Interesting and easy enough to try, thanks.Just found some ceramic balls for cheap.
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Thanks for the link but $2 + per ball is imo is not cheap. Maybe its as cheap as it gets but I could use 3 dozen or so, so that is $75 or so.
Since the marbles work so well, you shouldn't pay that much unless you have lost your marbles.
Dave
well you know always looking ahead for more
You will not find ceramic balls cheaper than that. 75 bucks seems like a bargain for 3 dozen. On the other hand 5/32 inch ceramic balls are tiny.
Maybe so but yes 5/32 " is small. Since marbles work well size wise I would prefer a half inch minimum.
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All of these things do something....the point is do they make the results better or just different in your ears. I have many of these things, cones, pucks, roller gizmos, etc. Not only does the type of gizmo affect the sound, and (surprisingly to me at least) not only the material (brass, aluminum, stainless steel, etc.) but the shape, the weight of it, etc.....it ALL provides a different result. Take 3 small cans of tomato paste and put it under your CD player (length-wise so they can roll) and you just might fall in love with THAT sound (I'm not kidding...I tried it). ...and to make matters still more complex, as I've discarded and added other components, the ones I liked before are not the ones I like now. EEGADS.
I tried Many things : hard metal ,rubbers , wood , Quartz
& combination of them.
And i don't try Expensive footers .
And of course everyone know that how hard material affect
the mid range & soft material like Neoprene or Sorbothane
treat with bass ... for anyone & any system .
But i have got good result with combination of Neoprene ,wood
And fo.Q (G-53F).
G-53F is not expensive .
Have anybody compare both Stillpoints & fo,Q(G-53F)?
tweaker
For some reason I have not found any footers that sound good. I have used Stillpoints, BD-Racing Cones, and a few no-name footers made out of various materials from different types of wood, metal, rubber etc. Instead what I have settled on is 'coupling' my gear to a base and using footers under the base instead.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
I too didn't like the plastic ones.
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Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
You might wish to try a set of Sillpoints Ultra SS under your digital transport for evaluation.I must agree with other folks who consider that what may be the best to one listener may not be the case for another, with what's 'best' being limited to only the particular gear that's been evaluated by any given listener.
As for selecting only one make/model footer for all applications including loudspeakers, I've come to find that different components/loudspeakers may benefit from more customized approaches. For example, Herbie's Audio Lab products tend to be somewhat application sensitive (and are rather affordable from an audiophile price point perspective, BTW).
See link:
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China is making some counterfeit ones.
Made in the US, Shipped from Hong Kong!!!
If you want to duplicate it do it right. Find a stainless steel right and buy ceramic balls. Position the top ball so that it is about to fall through the support balls below it. Add a third level of balls so that the support balls from above are about to fall through the third layer balls, and finally add a fourth layer of balls similarly positioned so that the balls above them are just about to fall between them. This layer then must be restricted by the stainless steel ring so that the balls cannot move outward. Piece of cake!
Incidentally, the much more expensive StillPoints Ultra Fives are far superior to the Ultra SSs in most applications. They are also considerably more expensive.
Norm,
You stated: "StillPoints Ultra Fives are far superior to the Ultra SSs in most applications".
In which applications did you find the Ultra Fives superior to the Ultra SS? Under speakers? Any specific sonic details on how the two models compared will be greatly appreciated.
Thank You, John
See my review of them on Stereotimes.
NT
Thanks for weighting in Norm. In your experimenting, what isolation device came in second to the Stillpoints? And how big of a difference was there?
Thanks
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The Ultra Fives are simply awesome. I have not hear the Magico feet, but I am told they are about the same as the Ultra SSs but that the Ultra Fives with five pieces of "technology" are clearly superior to them.
No professional reviews or users comments, other than yours, and a few on their website.
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I'll have to check out the Syn. Res. MIGs, and the Magico feet. Have you listened to the Ceraball's?
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Only problem is, it doesn't appear that the SR MIG's are available threaded, for use with speakers.
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They are nice..and expensive. There's also a possibility that they might not work as well as hoped. You could always make your own ball bearing isolators and see if there's an improvement. I mounted a small concave drawer pull (cast metal, not plated plastic) on a hockey puck. Placed a 1/4 - 5/8" ball bearing and topped it with a small candle votive I picked up from Ikea. The size of the BB will depend on the component's weight (larger for speakers and heavy amps) but everything else is DIY'ers choice.
The cost?...Hockey pucks $1; drawer pulls $.80; BB $.25; IKEA votive $2; screws and washers $.10. So you can make a set of 3 BB isolators for $12 or less (3 works better than 4 and should be arranged in the largest equilateral triangle possible under the component). They've work quite well for me and remain stable when bumped or even when a cat jumps on the speakers or amps (not sure about lighter gear as my cats can't get at it). Give it a try, be creative and you can save enough to buy a lot of good music.
Consensus? There are few in audio except the love of music. What tweak one prefers another rejects and spending more guarantees only that you've spent more.
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