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Isn't the Bugle Boy logo still a trademark of Amperex? Does anyone know if it's been sold or licensed to Douk Audio in China?
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I am not. I have quite a few BB 12au7 and 6bq5 tubes, but its much smaller and most are faded. I have not really paid that close attention to them. If there are differences in the logo then it's much easier to get away with it.
Edits: 03/27/21
The Chi-Comms are good at stealing things like intellectual property or US elections.
Add "Bugle Boy" to the list.
DT 667
That appears to be an APPJ product. Nothing on the Douk website that I can see
Jonesy
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
If indeed using BB logo w/out license agreement, it wouldn't be the first time - nor will it be the last.
I think New Sensor owns the trade marks so it's not theft, just deception. Kind of like calling a Yugo an AC Bristol. To each his own.
And, New Sensor Corporation is a US corporation based in Long Island City, NY. They just manufacturer in Russia. It's a globalized world, and you cannot get the toothpaste back in the tube. Buyer beware. Do your research, know what you are buying, consider the geopolitical ramifications, and make your choices. However, those ramifications are complex and nuanced. "Buy Chinese - Buy Freedom" may have merit on one level, but is an over simplification on another. And, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Plenty of moral reasons the rest of the world might want to boycott US goods.
"Starting in the middle of a musical sentence and moving in both directions at once." - John Coltrane.
Cpwill
at this point I would hope there are far greater reasons for the world to boycott Chinese made stuff before they finish their attempt to control the world. It's a small part ordinary citizens should do unless you disagree
you have been paying attention, haven't you? Russia is small time compared to them. And sending people over like blinking blinken is a joke.
A simplistic response to a complex and nuanced world. Suite yourself. Over and out.
"Starting in the middle of a musical sentence and moving in both directions at once." - John Coltrane.
Cpwill
The Chinese were behind development so they sent their brightest to study in the Western world. The had higher marks than the local students who did not apply themselves with the same fervor to their studies.
Next they did their masters and doctoral studies.
Did they steal intelectual property or where they just given the knowledge by those who had the knowledge and were hungry for some money without thinking through what they were doing?
FWIW I remember the days working on Japanese cars and Japanese boat engines (parents had a wharf) and they were just... junk! But they took Quality Assurance from Feigenbaum and Juran to heart and learned quickly from their mistakes. Around the turn of the millenium I was working in Seoul and the Hyunadai cars were, yes you got it, the pits! Now they are rated more reliable than Toyota, all the results of Quality Assurance and Quality Control.
I could not find some suitable employement in my field of expertise and ended up working (amongst others) in a third world country, teaching the local people how to do it. Is that intellectual theft or is it shortsightness of the local governments that rather employs someone ex. Russia at minimum wage rather than employing a more qualified local at a higher rate?
Zeiss lenses are these days made in China and once the Chinese put their mind to it they can do it. Unfortunately around the turn of the century I also had a spell working in China and the children were (because of the one child policy) taught to get to the most earnings they could, if this required lying, stealing, cheating then never mind, go for it. They would never admit to a mistake. In Gunazhou at the time 90% of the goods I saw for sale was counterfeit.
I leave you to make up your own mind and also some reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Fraser_Tytler,_Lord_Woodhouselee
just remember that 200-1000years ago we stole all the technologies from China (asia) we could get
I'm very well suited, so the same to you
that would be the subject of a good interview of how and when
New Sensor owns "Bugle Boy"?
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...Richardson electronics was selling 1980s JAN 12AX7As, 6DJ8s and maybe some other types with "Bugle Boy" branding added. From the marketing spin at the time, it seemed that Richardson had purchased rights to the logo much the same way that New Sensor purchased Tungsol, Mullard and Gold Lion brands. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Richardson sold the brand to the highest bidder long ago. This all from hazy recollection so I might have details (or the entire thing) wrong.
Good morning Steve O, You are correct about Richardson using the Bugle Boy logo back then. I purchased some of the 12AX7s at that time. They were average at best and nothing even close to the Bugle Boys made in Holland back in the day. I would have been better off purchasing the real thing and the prices would have been close. But I had to try them. Lesson learned.
Being young and impressionable back then, I was tempted by those Richardson BB 12AX7s. It was clear as to their origins (JAN / Phillips ECG) but they were supposedly "selected". Fortunately I ran across someone selling them at a hamfest for $3 ea. I splurged and picked up 10 of them in two 5 tube sleeves for $25 total - a much better price than what Richardson was asking. They struck me as competent but nothing special. Still have them somewhere. The point here is that if Richardson did indeed own the rights to the BB logo, it's totally plausible they either sold them or are licensing them to the highest bidder...which could easily/probably be Chinese. Free market /savage capitalism has little use for romantic nostalgia.
It would seem that there is plenty of use for romantic nostalgia. It is a means of separating holders of it from their $$$.
cheers,
Douglas
Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.
Nice deal Steve. It was around that time that I met a guy locally who worked on vintage radios and clocks. Come to find out he had a stash of vacuum tube out the wazoo. I was able to get 10 pieces of BB 12AX7's, 3 BB 12AT7's, 6 RCA "LongPlate" 12AX7's. All for $60.00. Also some 5U4's and some tubes for my MR 67 and MR 71. SWEET !!! He moved to be close to family because of his health.
You experience with a local vintage radio guy in the 1980s mirrors my experience. Most of my collection came from vintage radio guys I met at hamfests in the 1980s and 1990s. I was not into ham radios, I went there to meet tube guys. And did I ever!
Nowadays I have stoped collecting, but I'm sure these hamfest still happen, and if you want to find NOS tubes without paying internet prices, that is the way to do it.
Enjoy the roll!
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