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In Reply to: RE: Opinions on 6P3S for Hi-Fi ? posted by Triode_Kingdom on May 07, 2017 at 11:12:32
They are ok, but i think metal 6l6 sound better. You can still get metal 6l6 for cheap too.
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Are there others who think the metal 6L6 (1614) sounds better? I'd like to know if there's a general consensus about that. NOS metal versions are considerably more expensive, and to be honest, I hate the way they look. Still, if the Russians are sonically poor performers, that would change my mind. :)
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FWIW, I had a friend who had a pair of Mac MC30s and he bounced back and forth betw metal 6L6/1614 and the 6P3 (not SE) labeled as "made in Germany" 6L6 GCs which they obviously are not. They sounded pretty much the same to us: not entirely surprising given that the Mac is a high feedback design that probably tends to minimize differences in the finals. The 6P3s were prone to dull redplating most of the time but never blew up. Don't know what was going on with the plates of the metal 6L6s but they sure ran hot in those amps.
VTV ran a 6L6 shootout many years ago. IIRC, they liked the 6P3 better than the 6P3SE. Don't recall if this was in MI or HIFI amps.
To me they sound a little cleaner in my SEP amps. But i have not compared them to the Russian as i don't have any of that type unless they are buried with other tubes. Although compared against glass 6l6g they still have a tidier presentation. very nice. If you can get the VT type i have a quad that i plug in once in awhile and they are excellent.
Those tubes not only sound like an RCA 6L6GC black plate in many ways,they also last a long time.
Now getting back to the 6L6 and 1614 metal tubes,they do have a sonic purity and uniqueness that is undeniable. Mcintosh obviously liked them but audio seems to thrive on the moment. I would say the metal tubes are much better than what their perception has been over the years.Lets be honest here.You and I both know that physical appearance plays a major role in how several people will see these tubes regardless of how they sound.
IMHO,they sound fabulous.I never did spec test them in an amplifier tho.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
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We're discussing the 6P3S, not the 6P3S-E. Have you ever compared the 6P3S to a metal 6L6?
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Edits: 05/07/17
for what it is worth many years ago I had a set ... in a word, meh.
Metal 6L6 are ugly but they sing beautifully. During this time I had a quad of Chinese ST shoulder 6L6 and they walked all over the 6P3S, but as usual for most Chinese glass back then; in less than a year, three of the four died.
I HAVE had one metal 6L6 short out which caused the amp to catch on fire and dim the lights in the living room {was not in the listening room} which alerted me to the above. Am now slightly perturbed that I can't see what is going on inside the metal tubes.
The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
Agreed!
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
I must have.I was reading from your post on the metal 6L6 NOS tubes on my I-phone and I didn't scroll up apparently. I don't have any 6P3S tubes but U trust Twystd's opinion on this.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
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