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Not bad tubes. But, look nothing like the EBay link. Which really looks JJ.
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Exactly Steve and you can clearly see those are not Siemens that Larry posted. THat isn't to say they aren't good quality tubes but,you can buy those in current manufacturer for about a third of that 192usd asking price.
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the bottle looks like the JJ E34L. The plate structure looks like the Shuggies made for other companies.
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They are indeed JJ E34L. I believe they are early E34L's maybe even a last run before of the Tesla plant before JJ took over (no way to confirm that, just my guess). Not sure when Siemens stopped relabeling tubes and stopped marketing tubes, probably early 90's.
I bought a pair on a whim from that seller, he does state "unknown origin", thinking I might get lucky. I spent the next month scouring the internet to determine their origin and it all points back to the JJ E34L. It's modeled after the KT77 and has high output.
I have to admit I have been using them and they are a very nice tube, but IMO overpriced. They have a huge bottom end w/o being bloated and nice midrange and highs. Not as sweet as my favorite, SED =C= EL34.
Again, IMO they seem to have better quality than current JJ E34L's.
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No, another eBay scam.
I am in no way affiliated with the seller, but it is NOT a scam. These are labeled Siemens and legit tubes. Siemens never made their own EL34 so all Siemens are relabeled. These just don't happen to be the typical RFT relabled Siemens. When did Siemens stop distributing tubes, early 90's so these are around that time (my best guess).
These are late Tesla E34L's or early JJ Tesla E34L's. Still nice tubes but IMO, they are overpriced. In my experience with these tubes they are of better build quality than current JJ tubes.
He discloses right in the description that these are of "Unknown European Origin"
Anytime you buy tubes on the internet you need to do your own due diligence and ask questions, etc. I have bought other tubes from Langrex and he is totally above board.
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Man you guys are like sharks. Throwing the words "scam and counterfeit" around without doing one iota of research. I know I don't post a lot here, but I anm an avid lurker and have been for several years. It disappoints me to see information just flippantly posted.
If you do more research you will find Groove Tubes as well as Harma which is distributed by Watford Valves also relabel this tube and sell it as their own, hardly a counterfeit. They don't disclose where it comes from.
Here is an EL34 test link done by Watford Valves and you'll see the Harma STR gets high marks. This is the *exact* same tube Langrex is selling labeled Siemens and the same as the current and past JJ E34L
http://www.watfordvalves.com/cgi-bin/documents/testreport_46.pdf
Page 1, right column at the bottom under heading EL34/E34L/Harma STR
This is the exact same tube Langrex is selling which Siemens distributed.
The original Siemens will take 800 volts DC on the plate. JJ will not.
Put it this way. The true Siemens are like Porsche auomobiles (takes 800 volts on plate). A VW is not a Porsche. The seller has a lot of nerve to suggest taking a stock VW to a sports car track & suggesting the driver to have a potential 1st place win. That is an insult to engineers that appreciate tubes like the original Siemens EL34 or Porsche automobiles.
The word scam is a bit heavy handed because the listing clearly states that origin of the tube is unknown. It was distributed by Siemens.
There is another listing from same seller, it is 12ax7, the description is very appropriate too.
I am not trying to defense him. I just see it from a different angle. As far as I know, Langrex is one big tube seller from UK, their "A" grade tubes are very expansive. If you find something from this shop look kind of reasonable, it is probably "import".
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The discription is elusive. I would never post anything like it & charge $200 on a mabby. Hello!
The construction is the same as an older Shuagang tube. The seller admits this is a "possibility". Clearly that language is not strong enough and he knows it, it is sad to see.
Steve
the genuine one from his shop is over $ 100/pc.
when compare to many sellers try to sell junk for premium price, the way they listed their stuff, I am ok with it. If anyone expect to pay such amount of money for a quad of genuine Simens EL34, CV4004, that person needs to do more homework before joining the game.
my 2 cents.
I buy these for $120 a pair.
Agree to a certain point. Thing is with this hobby is that there is a lot to learn to even have a fairly basic understanding; and it never seems to end, even once you start feeling like you're beginning to get it. Guess that's what makes it so interesting.
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I guess it depends on what one considers a "Siemens" EL34 to really be. My personal experience is with RFT EL34s that were labeled as Siemens. The EL 34s in the auction you linked look to me to be either late Tesla series or early JJ's from the 1990s. The clues are the domed top and the welded plates. RFT EL34s always used a narrow diameter, flat topped dimpled envelope and crimped plates...at least the ones I've had my hands on.
Agree. I've got a few RFT (East German) EL34 and they look nothing like that. Those tubes in the auction look like straight-up late production JJs. Not worth the asking price by any stretch of the imagination.
And kinda admits that they are counterfeit. He is selling them cheaply he explains because he is unsure of there origin. A tube seller with his experience, I would think/expect knows what is what.
Steve
With so many sales shouldn't he be able to discern the true source of his tubes and describe them more accurately?
It would encourage me more to do business with him if he said: "These are _ _ _ _ manufactured tubes labeled as _ _ _ _."
His being vague is kinda like the shell game to me. Where is the pea, what is the pea?
Wouldn't work on most of us here but for the less informed they might think: "Maybe these are genuine _ _ _ _ tubes and I'm getting a great deal." I think that this is what he's up to. Be vague enough to encourage impulse/uninformed buying but with just enough info so he can deny being fraudulent.
Agreed
Anyway,the RFT or Siemens have a dimple in the top..These tubes clearly do not which pretty much assigns their origin to another manufacturer.
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