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In Reply to: RE: Dennis, you never answered the question. posted by cpotl on July 06, 2017 at 05:32:13
I think you all are a bit harsh on Dennis. I think he gets a lot shit because of Jeff.
I know the non technical marketing statements makes some peoples blood boil but everyone can do better in being respectful...
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"I think you all are a bit harsh on Dennis. I think he gets a lot shit because of Jeff.I know the non technical marketing statements makes some peoples blood boil but everyone can do better in being respectful... "
Personally, I have no problem at all with his, or anyone's, claims about the musicality, or what have you, of their amplifiers. I do not doubt that they can sound very good. My own suspicion is that the reasons why they may sound distinctive and satisfying are rather straightforwardly correlated with easily measurable colourations (or, one may say, distortions) that they introduce. But that in no way detracts from their being very satisfactory for the purpose of providing a pleasing musical reproduction.
I do take issue, though, when someone makes a claim of an explicitly technical nature, if that claim is in fact false. One example that falls into this category is the recent assertion that in a standard unbalanced output ("live" plus ground) signal, part of the music is in common mode. Another is the example Tre mentioned, of the claim that the output tube in an SET was passing "hundreds of amps." These assertions are simply wrong, and as such, I think if anyone makes such statements and asserts that they are true then it is legitimate for others to jump in and point out the error.
Chris
Edits: 07/07/17 07/07/17
DF is an icon to some people on the Tube DIY forum, it is kind of neat to read his "Frakerisms" and rants about the status quo of conventional mainstream thinking.
I don't think I would have gotten as heavily into SE tube amps or Altec speakers without the influence of either DF or JM.
It's all good to me, take what is useful and ignore the static.
In a thread where Dennis and I were talking about a theoretical SE output stage where the output tube was biased at 60ma of idle current and the input signal was limited to only drive the output tube's current to 120ma. max, Dennis stated that within that 120ma. "envelop" there are "Hundreds of amps of current". ???!!!???
This is only one example of Dennis saying crazy things that lead me to believe that he is not a BS artist per se but is ignorant WRT electronics and may indeed believe all the crazy things he types.
But if Dennis is going to present himself as an expert (and I believe he does) and then say crazy, unsubstantiated things (like the one at hand "some artifacts of music are also found in the Common Mode") he needs to expect to be called on it.
If that is disrespectful on my part then so be it.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Hey Tre you know Dennis talks in his own language which is foreign to most of us but he has been doing this for decades. You are much more informed than most of the number guys that are on the forum these days. That being said you might have to defend the SET crowd. If I remember correctly you run set with transistor sub.
All the guys that built cool stuff are not around anymore. Hell even the late grizmo would listen question listen again and scream tone is every thing. Now we have people who want to debate the same tired nonsense. At least Henry (when he was around) was good debater.
The one thing I find interesting is the numbers guys come on a DIY TUBE forum and want to tell me my musical background and abilities are all in my head and really I am tone deaf. I should just go to best buy and spend 600.00. Is there koolaide any better than Dennis's???
For the record 6sl7 belong in a phono stage and I do not even use them there. Well your thread turned into a SET is cult that PT Barnum would love to sell to. Well guess I will fire up my limited bandwidth amps with the crap distortion vinyl front end and pretend it sounds better than the state of the art 599.99 best buy wonder.
Enjoy the ride
Tom
"Well guess I will fire up my limited bandwidth amps with the crap distortion vinyl front end and pretend it sounds better than the state of the art 599.99 best buy wonder."
That's a good idea. I think I'll do the same.
Listening to a clean Mo-Fi copy of Little Feet "Waiting for Columbus" I picked up today at the thrift for $2
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Actually Tre' you've always provided a good technical explanation and I've not seen a lot of bashing from you.
I think the way you handle it typically is a good example. I don't have a problem with you calling Dennis out on his poor choice of wording.
The problem is the "pile on" and then it turns into how is amp is a poorly designed piece of shit. :)
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