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In Reply to: RE: good measuring speakers posted by Dave_K on June 25, 2017 at 13:42:21
Wildly is probably not the best word but I would use significantly instead.
Speakers of a similar design stripe will share common traits - but then so do SS amplifiers. Let's face it the reason no one can tell the difference between most SS amps is because most SS amp makers buy the same parts from the same parts suppliers. So you ring up Torroids 'R' Us and you select the 200 watter and then buy 10 cent caps you might choose brand A while manufacturer chooses brand B but it's largely the same. So it's not a big wonder why in blind level matched conditions people can't tell the difference.
And that would apply to speaker makers who open up their computer software program (that they purchased along with other competitors) and then they all buy a polypropylene/Kevlar 6 inch woofer and a similar tweeter in a similar shaped cabinet all following the same approach.
The other major problem is that few people are listening to these things in the same room. So we listen to the KEF in January with Constellation and we get an impression and then in May we listen to the Magico on another system.
But I have auditioned Magico back to back with Usher the Kef Blade2, Focal Utopia and TAD. They are all premium priced loudspeakers and likely all measure pretty good. They all sounded good to me but I can't say any of them sounded alike. I think I could live with all of these with work on finding the right partnering gear.
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And that would apply to speaker makers who open up their computer software program (that they purchased along with other competitors) and then they all buy a polypropylene/Kevlar 6 inch woofer and a similar tweeter in a similar shaped cabinet all following the same approach.
I don't think any of the brands we're talking about do that. Revel, KEF, Magico, Dynaudio all design and make their own drivers in house. And all with different materials and design approaches.
The other major problem is that few people are listening to these things in the same room. So we listen to the KEF in January with Constellation and we get an impression and then in May we listen to the Magico on another system.
Definitely true. However, I would say that most loudspeakers have a personality or house sound that shows up to some degree regardless of where they're playing. For example, every Focal speaker I've heard sounds like it has a "smile" response, kind of a mild inverse Fletcher-Munson curve, with bass and treble just a bit elevated. Focus Audio's speakers have a slightly richer than neutral tone and a little peak around 1 KHz that enhances the in-room presence of the center image. Harbeth's always sound a bit soft and dull to me. And so on.
One thing I like a lot about the Magico S series is that they don't have much of a personality. Even if they're not somebody's cuppa, they are still great tools to use when auditioning other equipment. That's how I got turned on to them.
Yes I agree - certainly house sound and the product having their own voice (typically) such that regardless of room you are still hearing the speaker's character. Analogous to having someone playing a violin in your living room, and your bedroom and your bathroom - you still aren't mistaking it for a cello.Magico I have heard only 4 times - The best I heard them sound was with Technical Brain amplifiers and that was impressive. Unfortunately, Technical Brain while they sounded utterly sensational apparently have (or had) an issue with reliability.
I think perhaps my problem is I send out some mixed messages - I have certain generalities but then several examples that are exception. Similar to English grammar.
I looked up my dagogo past commentaries but when the website changed we lost several articles.
As you probably know what my general preference is for HE/SET. But I am not tied to that absolutely.
I had a list of ten favorite systems at CES (all of which I would be happy to live with) back then and Magico/Technical brain was one of the ten in the over $10k priced systems. I also had a sub $10k list. Everything was based on the price of the speakers.
Here was my list to give you an idea of the varying types of stuff I like - to be blunt I should probably be called a speaker slut.
Alphabetical order (under $10K)
* Audio Note AN-E/Spe HE Loudspeakers
* Gallo 3.5
* Harbeth Super HL5
* Kingsound Prince II Electrostatic loudspeakers
* Reference 3a Grand Veena
* Sonist Concerto 3
* Sonist Recital 3
* Studio Electric Type Three Loudspeakers
* Wharfedale Diamond 10
* Uniwave Tek CHATEAU REFERENCE MONITORS
Rooms with speakers above $10,000 (alphabetical order):* Acapella High Violoncello II
* Acoustic Zen Crescendo
* Audio Note AN-E Sec Signature (They had two rooms at the show)
* Magico/Technical Brain
* Perfect 8 Technologies (The Force)
* Silbatone Aporia Full Range
* Sony SS AR1 loudspeakers
* Teresonic Ingenium loudspeakers
* Trenner and Friedl RA Box
* Usher Be 10And at the next show CAS 2012. The best five rooms I picked in alphabetical order.
* Acoustic Zen Crescendo
* Focal Scala Utopia
* MBL 101 (and the 120) E MK II Radialstrahler
* Von Gaylord "The Return of the Legend" speakers
* YG Acoustics Anat III Studio SignatureSo speakers: Horns, Omni-directionals, Narrow baffle (Floyde E Toole school), speakers with metal tweeters, ribbons, electrostats, hybrids, low efficiency, high efficiency, single drivers, lots of drivers, fat and skinny
Edits: 06/27/17
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