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I have a mint pair of B&W Matrix 805 speakers that I'd quite like to use in my shop. Unfortunately, I run into 2 issues:
1) The best way I could arrange them would be mounted/hung upside down from the ceiling.
2) Unlike the Nautilus 805, the Matrix series has no screw mounts on the bottom.
Since I REALLY don't want to ruin the pristine black veneer on this pair, I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to economically & securely hang these without damage?
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Geez, he's putting these in his SHOP. It's not like this is going to be the best of the best audio experience rooms out there.
Personally, I'd put them in the bedroom or bathroom as a second system and listen to the wife cry about it, while putting something simple in the shop.
That said... I did something similar once. I built a base a bit larger than the speaker. Put some trim around it so the speaker could not slide off the bass. I suppose you could put a cloth strap around it if you really felt nervous about it falling down (mine never had any issues)
In my case, they were my front effects speakers that were supposed to be above my main speakers (LaScalas)
I took a piece of plywood, cut it to fit the base of the LaScala while also extending behind them maybe 5". I configured with 3/4" pipe, a "wall" sconce that was mounted on the plywood (which was screwed into the bottom of the 100 pound speaker to hold it) and I had a 'T' at the bottom of a 5-6 foot length, another 'T' at the top. I ran my speaker wires inside the T, up the pipe, out the top and plugged into my speaker. I mounted the speaker platform on the top of the pipe.
In my case, regardless of where I aimed my speaker, my front effect was always above it and pointing in the right direction. Worked like a charm.
In your case, I'd do something similar but instead, hang from ceiling or wall, depending on layout.
"It's not like this is going to be the best of the best audio experience rooms out there."
Well, that's kinda a stretch. At home, I'm pretty much restricted as to what I can do with the room.
Here, other than placement (which from distance to boundries will already be pretty much ideal) - I can do anything I want with respect to accoustics.
So... paired with VTL mono amps & preamp, I'd say the audio experience would likely be substantially better than most folks have at home.
The reason I'm hemming & hawing on how to mount them is that I won't even bother unless I find a way that truly doesn't compromise the sound.
nt
I'll have to check with the machine shop just down the road. I'm sure they could fabricate something that would satisfy, but they'd probably laugh at building something that wasn't intended for heavy equipment.
a hacksaw a few bolts and nuts and these (link below)
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
I don't know if there is a ceiling mounted version of these
http://www.bracketsandstands.com/PhotoDetails.asp?ShowDESC=N&ProductCode=AM40
or you could try using a cargo net. Place speaker on cargo net, bring the four corners of the net together above the speaker, place on ceiling hook.
A friend of mine used macrame plant hangers, to great effect, for susspending some large JBL monitors (12" woofers) from their celing.
Would still prefer a solid mount, but so far your idea would be me go-to plan.
Solid mount is going to give you all kinds of vibration and reflection issues to deal with...
Edits: 06/22/12
How about (2) wall mount TV stands. They should have a big enough base, can swivel & tilt, and usually have a tie down strap.
Plus - there is still the factor of how to mount the speakers themselves firmly enough to the stand such that there is no way for them to be knocked off...
I've had a pair of those and they changed my life. Those are the speakers that infected me with this disease called audiophilia. I would suggest mounting shelves up in the corners where you wanted to suspend them. Though not optimal, I bet setting them on shelves would sound better than hanging them. Might as well give these wonderful speakers the best shot at reaching their potential.
My planned locations would be a good 4 feet out from the side walls, and over 10 feet from any front/back wall - so no way to place a "shelf" in the middle of the space.
MIGHT be able to set them on stands sitting on a table on one side & a counter on the other - but there would still be the issue of affixing the speakers to the stands firmly enough that they would have not chance of being knocked off.
Dang I miss my Nautilus 805s with the screw mount holes built into the base plate!!
I have known several people who have done this, and it works well.
Just make sure the hooks are firmly attached.
SF
If you punch someone standing on the ground firm, you will have more impact that if you were on ice skates. Similarly if your speaker is going to impact sound correctly, it cannot move back with every hit. This will not work, without hurting the sound.
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The driver smiled when he lost the car in pursuit
I have to admit though, this is the first time I've seen a reference to the physics of martial arts used as an analogy to the pistonic effects of driver movement on a free-hanging mass!
So, yes... I agree that the optimal solution would likely be Sound Anchors stands away from room boundaries.
But that's not what the OP was asking for.
SF
For your further consideration...
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The driver smiled when he lost the car in pursuit
It doesn't seem related to the thread.
It's basically ad copy for a product called the "Recoil Stabilizer" (sic) that's made to decouple studio monitors from production desks.
It's much different from the idea of "rigid coupling" that you were previously referring to.
SF
"So, yes... I agree that the optimal solution would likely be Sound Anchors stands away from room boundaries.
But that's not what the OP was asking for."
Actualy, I'm somewhat considering using stands (have Targets, not Sound Anchors) firmly mounted to the ceiling. My biggest dilemma is how to firmly mount the 805s to the stands.
I STRONGLY prefer a rigid mount to wire/chord/net suspension.
And also - the speakers will be well away from any room boundaries (with the closest boundary being approx 3 feet from the ceiling).
Rest of system will likely be Sony SCD-777es - VTL Ultimate - VTL Deluxe 120 mono amps.
If I can't find a way to mount them that really appeals to me from a sound & visual perspective, I just might hang my friggin' Soundlabs up there & call it a day.
Although the exposed Nautilus tweeter module could pose problems, does it have a grill?
I understand your preference for a more rigid mount, but think of it this way: Trying out the bag approach costs you very little, besides the time it takes to drill a couple of holes.
There is also a surprising range of adjustment available by placing the speaker at different angles in the net bag.
I'd go for the cotton, for a more natural presentation.
SF
But yes - the tweeter has its grill (as stated - they are in mint condition, hence I don't want to do anything that will in any way leave a mark).
I've heard a number of suspended installations & will say that some were just fine from a sonic standpoint - I'm just not wild about it on an aesthetic standpoint for a small loudspeaker.
And... for the sake of experiment, I may well try out the bag or netting idea. In this case, I'd likely go with some form of black, very wide mesh netting.
My bad, thought it had the exposed tweeter chamber... Was thinking that the netting might rub against the dome.
Good luck.
SF
Matrix 805 still has the "tweeter on top," so I'm still rather concerned about finding some form of netting that would have or allow for cutting a big enough gap for the tweeter module.
Do appreciate the ideas though!
Cut a piece of plywood a bit bigger then the footprint of the loudspeaker
Get cable or small chain link from hardware store
Put a bolt with an eye in each corner of the plywood
Use the chain link/cable to hang plywood piece from ceiling
Place loudspeaker on plywood up near ceiling hanging
Another easy way is to get a net and put the loudspeaker in the net
and suspend from ceiling
and then attach the frame to ceiling/chains?
Likely I'll do just that.
Challenges are padding the frame so as not to scratch the speakers, yet hold them totally securely & making a cutout so the tweeters won't have any issues with diffraction due to the potentially surrounding wood.
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