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I want to replace my MMG with either the 1.7 or the 3.7. I am a little concerned with the size of my listening room, it's 18 feet x 10 feet. According to Magnepans web site they say you can put any Magnipan in any room size as long as you can live with the look.
Because my room is only 10 feet wide, once you put each speaker about 1 foot from the side walls, the 3.7's will be very close to each other. With my current MMG's set up, the left and right speaker are only 4.5 feet apart. If I go with the 1.7, they may end up just under 4 feet apart.
When I look at the frequency response of the 3.7 compared to the 1.7, the 3.7 is so much closer to the 20.7. The 1.7 is closer to the MMG's.
I have updated my amps, preamp, DAC and sub, with very good components. I want to update my speakers to the best I can but obviously they need to work in the room.
I'm not sure what to do. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Follow Ups:
I spoke with Mark from Magnepan at lengths. He asked about my equipment and the exact room dimensions. We decided that the 3.7's might be to big for the room. So I decided to order a pair of 1.7's.
I'll post my room impressions once they arrive.
Nt
If you have a local dealer you should ask to audition either or both in your own home w/ your own equipment. If not, call Magnepan and inquire about their dealer direct program. It's possible you can be a beta tester for the 1.7s if not the 3.7s. There is no substitute for a home audition w/ your equipment. Most of the advice you've gotten here is from people who have an opinion and not much else.
I had 1.7s in a room that is 11 X 16, and I found that I couldn't live with having to imagine the virtual soundstage developing behind these large black panels. It would be worse with the 3.7s. YMMV
I fear your room is to narrow . Only chance I think you got is if your ceilings are high . I have demo the 3.7 in my 13'6"x 23' room with 7'6" ceilings they don't get to their capabilities . Even with a treated room . I did put them on the long wall. I hope you have high ceilings tho because I had 11' ceiling before & now I can't get close to what I had before.I'm thinking small monitor w/ sub that take off lower freq. This set up worked great and did so in very compromising rooms.( sub must have pre in / pre out to really remove low freq. To the monitors ) most don't .
Cheers
I've also found that absorption panels when using planars can improve the sound a lot, especially if your room size dictates that your speakers or listening position will be close to walls. It's pretty easy to hear this for yourself if you move absorption panels in and out of place while listening.
I owned the 3.6's among many other speakers. The long wall is always best with the listening seat against the opposite wall to minimise standing waves. Maggies need to breath and require alot of feeding...as in oodles of power and the right cables etc.. The room dictates the sound. When I switched back to dynamic speakers I was amazed at how flat sounding the maggies were...huge soundstage, but no real density or sense of action/palpability. Dynamic shifts were not their strong suit either.
dave_b
I agree with your comment regarding 'stock' Maggies in general. I took 'stock' 3.6R's and had new crossovers built - added Mye Stands - and the dynamics are now there in spades.
Great! Enjoy them:O)
dave_b
My first speakers over 30 years ago were Magnepans, but any time I have listened since they have not done it for me.
But some people love them, so that is nice...
Steve
you can form the equilateral triangle between speakers and listening position. It would probably work on the long wall, but you should use wall treatments to prevent overloading.
People (Audiophiles) underestimate the visual impact of loudspeakers on the image the music signal create in our mind. Panels 24" wide are significant! BUT Acoustically this can work. The key it to have diffusion in the space behind the loudspeakers and then play with the toe in angle - maybe aggressively. If you were asking my advice though - with a narrow room with speakers aligned with the short end of the room. I'd forgo the big panels, go with the MC1 (or MMC2 or stick with the MMG's!) and then use the rest of your green for 2 or three Sub-woofers.
To enhance you listening experience - use the MMG's at the rear. Good surround processor - and - a way to Compensate for your room modes (Some Kind of DSP or EQ)
Three most important things in Audio reproduction: Keep the noise levels low, the power high and the room diffuse.
and place sound absorption panels behind you. Worst case you sell them for 200 -300 loss...but at least you tried...
Your room is barely big enough for small monitors in a nearfield arrangement. I would not put bigger maggies in it.
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
I have 3.6's in a 15' by 12' room and they sound outstanding.
Alan
They might sound outstanding (a relative term if there ever was one), but you are probably only getting 70% of their potential.
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
Of course you really don't know that, never having heard them. I have many audiophile friends who tell me it is the best system they have ever heard.
Alan
I'm not saying it doesn't sound good, it probably does. But I have heard big maggies in small rooms and in my room, and I can say some performance is clearly left on the table in smaller rooms.
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
I worked for several years for one of Magnepan's largest dealers. I've heard a ton of Maggie set ups and Ozzy's comments match my experience. The MMGs and 12s are fine in smaller rooms but the farther up the chain you go the more large rooms and appropriate amplification matter.
I have no experience with the 1.7 or 3.7 but I have dealt with every other Maggie from the T-1U through the 1.6 and 3.6. IMO your room is way too narrow for the 3.7 and marginal, at best, for the 1.7. Yes, the Maggies are somewhat more tolerant of being close to sidewalls than most conventional speakers because of the roughly figure-8 pattern but tolerant doesn't imply ideal and one foot is awfully close.
You don't list your system. It would also help if we knew what other components were in play. Generally speaking I'm not a huge fan of subs with Maggies. I have heard a few implementations that I thought sounded good but I'd say that in fully 85%+ of the Maggies (or other planar dipoles) with subs systems that I've heard I thought the subs detracted.
Having 1.7's and now 3.7's in a large room, 17 X 30 a wee bit of help on the bottom is needed. I have 2@ subs, a Paradigm 15 and an M&K 350 trying to dial in the foundational bass. I'm aware of the "slow, dynamic driver,crossover point" milieu but press on in search of this precious blend. Would be curious as to others success in choosing frequency, slope,etc. in getting there. Had it with and had it without...right or wrong_ gotta have it!
I use an 80Hz crossover, which I think is 4th order but I'm not sure. I could probably use a lower crossover, but this point integrates well and it should allow for higher overall listening levels since the Magnepans have only so much displacement.
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