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In Reply to: RE: "worth the money" posted by morricab on September 10, 2021 at 23:45:32
"It's funny you always trot out this one unsatisfying experience to dismiss a really excellent brand of speaker"You asked me if I heard Odeon speakers - this is the speaker I heard. It is a speaker they felt were really good if they were willing to send it to Stereophile.
The reviewer said it was bad. The measurements were bad. I heard it and they were bad.Are they great now? According to you, they are. And maybe they are and maybe I will absolutely love the new ones. I am perfectly willing to audition products multiple times or multiple products. I have had reversed opinions on speakers I hated and then liked later.
Step back - put your anger away for just a minute and put yourself in my shoes. You yourself admit this La Triviata was a bad speaker correct? (If I am correct and you also think it was a bad speaker or a "mistake" then we agree do we not? We both agree that that particular speaker was poor. Yippee Brad and Richard agree!
Now, remember - this is the ONLY speaker Richard has heard from Odeon.
So if you were me and you heard a speaker that stunk - the measurements stunk and Stereophile who also hated it then you would be in my shoes and you would not have much motivation to listen to another one. Be honest - you would not.
Again just for a moment try to put yourself in my shoes here. You seem to be getting angry at me for my experience level with Odeon that somehow being from Vancouver Island and living in Hong Kong where no dealers exist that I should be wholly well-versed in their product line and have auditioned them many times. Be reasonable Brad. There are only 8 dealers in the world - hell there are at least four places that I have been to in Hong Kong alone that sell Audio Note. There may be more as I have not been to them all. On top of that, the dealers will put people in touch with customers who own the products so I can go to their homes and audition them! Ditto back on Vancouver island as customers owned higher-end AN gear than the dealer carried.
What I am saying is I can't audition stuff that isn't available to me to be able to audition. I feel you are angry at me for not being next to one of the 8 dealers?
What do you expect me to do - I have said on this forum several times that speakers I ranked near dead last at one audio show - at the next I attended I ranked them 1 and 2 best. I am always willing to listen to speakers or brands that in the past I did not care for. I always try and listen to Magnepan and Quad and just 3 days ago I auditioned for Reference 3a.
But the stuff has to be here - what can I do?
Edits: 09/11/21Follow Ups:
I have not actually heard that particular model. So, I have no comment on it other than you didn't like it. However, my point stands. You get offended when people put down the AN-E after hearing it only once or twice. Don't tell me you don't when you will spill tons of virtual ink defending their honor.
You heard one model, one time and it was a model that didn't stay in the lineup for very long (can hardly find this model in Europe). I am not angry but surprised by your inability to step out of your own shoes and see how you are being a bit hypocritical. You are judging based on one experience and you chide others about AN even when people don't like them after multiple exposures.
I am not angry with you Richard, just disappointed that you are willing to vocalize a judgement based on a single exposure but those of us who have heard a significant amount of AN-E speakers and found them lacking are somehow just needing more exposure??
It is not about old vs. new Odeons. Mine are 20 years old and sound amazing...but not all models from all companies are at the same level (experiment that went wrong) as I am sure you are aware, creative people are often trying new things and they don't always work at the same level.
All I can tell you is that everyone I know who was exposed to or bought AN-Es either did not buy them or sold them after a relatively short time. Everyone I know who bought Odeons has kept them and is in love with them except one guy...but he went to even bigger horns (hoRNs Universum III). ToddA here on this forum luckily found a pair of Odeon La Boheme speakers (my exact model...very rare) and he is in love with them as well. Of course if I had the money I would probably buy Aries Cerat Symphonias (even as a distributor they are too pricey for me) as that is the best horn short of the mega expensive Living Voice Vox Olympians.
I would like to try someday one of ANs 211 based amps, like a Jinro or above. Or maybe a parallel 300B like a Kegon or P4 balanced. Based on the designs they should sound very good. I am not impressed with the DACs so far. I have heard the Oto Signature, and it wasn't bad but an old Ayon 300B amp we had on hand was better...and then came the Aries Cerat Diana integrated and my customer's (who was trying these other amps) jaw hit the floor. On paper the same power as the Ayon (it had 32B tubes for 20 watts) but in practice the Diana might have had 1000 watts (it has 25) such was the difference in dynamics.
Just to note I didn't judge the brand I judged the one speaker I auditioned.I am surprised though that after 30 years they only have 8 dealers total worldwide. It makes it a bit tough to try another one.
The more speakers a company sells the more often there will be "some guy" who sold them to buy something else. I have those stories too.
Jack Roberts on our staff sold the AN E for Teresonic Ingeniums - I auditioned them - they were very nice and a single driver has certain strengths that better the AN E - but it also has drawbacks. In other words Jack decided the Ingenium was better sounding - I did not agree with his assessment so no I would not have traded the AN E in for the Teresonic. Art Dudley traded the AN E for the DeVore 0/96 - again I have heard the DeVore and I would not have done that either. Albeit it is an easier speaker to drive. The Acappela I would trade for but it's moot since the room demands are totally different - Acapella doesn't work in rooms designed for AN E and vice versa.
As an aside - my initial post in this thread was meant to be about system synergy that some people didn't like an 805 amp and some did and I was saying that it could be down to the speaker used. The guy who loved the 805 Wavac loved it because he loved the speakers and the guy who hated it heard it on some other speakers that may not have been his cup of tea.
Edits: 09/14/21
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