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In Reply to: RE: recommendations for an SET integrated amp posted by saki70 on April 26, 2017 at 13:43:12
The term "integrated amp" means different things to different people. To some, the term implies on-board input switching, tone controls, a tape loop and phono preamp. Others consider it "integrated" if it simply has a volume control.
If you have cabinet space for two chassis, I would recommend a separate amp and preamp. Bottlehead makes kits, and they're very highly regarded. A separate preamp and SET amplifier are within your budget. These products will give you the most bang for your buck, and they have distinct advantages over buying used gear or (ugh) Chinese junk.
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Buy Chinese. Bury freedom.
Follow Ups:
your blame should be directed at the idiots who tolerate it. on that I say: good luck with that!
I am fairly confident with the following fundraiser wager:
Take all the China content from a Hardly Ableson, and it will neither start, or be moveable w/o invoking sliding friction.
Douglas
Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.
Not once have I said that the Chinese people are to blame for this. It is absolutely the fault of those who accept and purchase third world junk. Most societies eventually get what they deserve, and I predict the U.S. will be no exception. The impact on Western economies has been significant, and we are only at the very beginning of this era. The end result will reach well beyond the confines of money and jobs.
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Um...the USA is more Third World than China, these days. In fact, the US is a banana republic!http://img.timeoutbeijing.com/201702/20170214122812289.jpg
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Not trying to steal the thread but... I have the same question as OP with a few other questions1. My budget is a bit less, no more than 2K. Looking for SET integrated amp (with preamp in it)
2. I am using 12 years old Polk towers but may be looking for something else to play nice with the tube amp. Emotiva pre/amp separates. Never owned a tube amp before.
3. I mostly listen to pop and classical music. Worth it trying tube amp in terms of getting better/different experience? Medium sized bedroom setup.
4. Want something reliable, good quality, to enjoy for a long time. Not necessarily want to keep upgrading later on to something better.
5. Do not have any time/know-how to do my own work. Sorry, too busy with work/family.
6. I read comments above about Chinese amps. But there are many great reviews about the Line Magnetic and Opera brands both in terms of build quality and music reproduction.Some other Chinese brands also have great quality reviews. Any other comments?
7. Saw a few amps with a combo of both 845 and 300B tubes and 20W/channels output with some great reviews. Any comments about that?
8. Kits with PCB vs point-to point as far as long term reliability and sound quality. Any opinions? Saw Japanese Elekit for under 1K assembled.Any ideas?
9. Any specific recommendations? What output tube type would you recommend? Again, I would rather buy something good now than trying to upgrade later and spend more. I am not in a hurry. Willing to look/wait for something used to buy providing I know what I am looking for.
I know that's a lot of questions but the topic is rather complicated. Thanks very much!
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China has a 100 year plan to dominate the world. We still have time. ;-)
buy Chinese buy Communist rule. they already own your film propaganda industry.
why is the globilist destroying all non communist country's and culture?
a culture that doesn't hold mother and child sacred is destined to destruction.
Jordan Petersen.
why did the Cia fund feminist's in the 60's?
why have feminist's joined with the muslims?
20 years is all we have left not 100
its an infowar ;)
This China-bashing, while not entirely unwarranted, is no longer helpful. Lots of fantastic things come from China, including consumer products. They are very well made. The Lite Audio transport and DAC I currently use are a good example - but certainly not the only one.
Manufacturers will make whatever you want them to. If you want it cheap and are a greedy manufacturer, they will make it. If you want luxurious, they will make that too. Let's not forget that museums around the world are full of the most exquisite, achingly beautiful pieces of craftsmanship *ever made* from China and many of the high-end consumer goods people use (Apple, for example) are successfully made there without much fanfare.
Enough already.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
"museums around the world are full of the most exquisite, achingly beautiful pieces of craftsmanship *ever made* from China "
Everything fitting that description - even in the Shanghai Museum itself - is pre-Mao, pre-Cultural Revolution. I've been to that museum and others within China numerous times. Your description does not apply to the state of Chinese craftsmanship today.
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I'm sure Apple would disagree with you. And just look at the rubbish Line Magnetic produce. The scoundrels.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
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TK's comments regarding China on various audio asylum threads border on racism.
The world has been subjected to American economic rationalism for the past half century which has now destroyed itself, witness GFC / Wall street collapse, Donald Trump etc !
China is simply a by-product of all of that !
Remember the US administration in the 70's that banned the import of licensed 'Fender' manufactured guitars from Japan because they were so much better in quality & pricing !
America have left the door ajar for decades regarding product quality & are now paying the price.
The introduction of 'Total Quality Management' (TQM) was a recognition by the Reagan administration to address the decline of USA military & manufacturing.
Johno
And here we go with the race card again....
Reason why I stay off twitter, Facebook and all the other social media pages....please don't turn this forum into one of those.
My old man always said you get what you pay for, accurate statement in any country including the US.
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In my experience, you don't always get what you pay for, but you never get what you don't pay for. :^)
I'll just mention that when PJ and I were kids "Made in Japan" was an oft used expression of great disgust for poorly made products.
There are huge differences between the absorption of that island nation's broken economy after the war and our apparent desire to raise a billion peasant farmers out of poverty. Remember what Khrushchev said? He just got the country wrong. China will bury us.
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NT
Stereomour
Nice Tuner!!!
Actually, great looking amp!
Will
Thanks. FM in the soldering room
By 'integrated' I mean built in preamp capabilities . I don't need a tape loop , phono processor or tone controls . I do need a volume control .
I don't have room on my rack for a separate preamp .
I am not capable of building my own pieces either .
I apologize if I am coming across as being negative...I don't mean to .
Having somebody build it for me would be good . TAL has a good reputation and I have heard of a guy doing the AN Kits as well . Is anyone doing the Bottlehead builds ?
Thank you to everyone .
Anyone else ?
I mean no disrespect - Min seems like a genuine, very nice person - but I don't see the quality in Tube Audio Labs builds that others rave of. They are probably okay for the price, but I'd rather spend a few $$$ more for a more robust build. Min may be able to do that, but you'd need to know what to ask for.
I'd be more inclined to contact Bottlehead - they used to have a quality builder for their stuff.
Cheers,
91.
"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein
Yes, I understand not everyone wants to build gear. I suggest you contact the folks at Bottlehead, and maybe browse their forum. It's good stuff, well worth the effort. Good luck with your search!
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Stereomour II is what you want.
The build instructions are very good if you can solder. If not, they may be able to find someone to build for you. But, an amp always sounds better if you build it yourself.
Stereomour II is a seriously great amp and a huge value. I would think you could build one yourself if not there are skilled folks that could do so. Contact Bottlehead or better yet join the forum there.
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