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In Reply to: RE: Im going to report this to the CPSC! posted by gusser on September 21, 2015 at 16:31:32
Since when do people think they have the right
to "protect" people from themselves?
It is a free country which means people have
the right to do what you think is stupid.
You have the right to call them on it
BUT not the right to force them into
what you consider "correct" behavior!
Please, I plead with you, stop the police state
that you wish to impose because it offends you.
You do not have the right to not to be offended.
DanL
Follow Ups:
You are free too build whatever unsafe electrical devices you see fit in your own home. But when you offer them for sale to the general public at large, well thankfully we have laws and standards that must be adhered to for the protection of others.Are you honestly suggesting we abolish building codes and product safety standards?
Based on your recent posts belittling formal engineering education and study, In can see the logic in this idea as well.
And since I made that post I did some research and found it quite easy to file a complaint - which I am going to do, like it or not.
Yes good people do have a moral responsibility to report crimes to the relevant authority. And those AC power products as displayed are a crime when it comes to basic electrical safety.
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That in a nut shell is what
is wrong with this country.
You never bought the product
but you want to make sure
no one else can.
I will never understand
the hubris of that position.
DanL
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The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
Any experienced electronics or electrical person can easily see those products are not safe under established safety standards of the past 40 years or more.
And you know it!
Defending this is silly.
So are feet under the component.
So are cable elevators.
So are tubes without cages.
Also for 50 years before that wood insulted
most electrical wiring with porcelain help.
Wood is a good electrical insulator.
It isn't going to cause a fire.
It just doesn't take abuse well.
Joe Public does not shop at Mapleshade.
Audiophiles do.
You are supposedly trying to save Joe Public
but he is not involved at all.
DanL
It is with government, as with medicine. They have both but a choice of evils. Every law is an evil, for every law is an infraction of liberty: And I repeat that government has but a choice of evils: In making this choice, what ought to be the object of the legislator? He ought to assure himself of two things; 1st, that in every case, the incidents which he tries to prevent are really evils; and 2ndly, that if evils, they are greater than those which he employs to prevent them.
--- Jeremy Bentham
Typical audiophile analysis. You pick an example such as knob and tube wiring but overlook the details.
gusser,
I've already put ceramic hoods on top of the anode caps, if this is what you worry about. These are a bit old photos.
This is about the Mapleshade power products.
Your amp is a good example of Dans point in ths issue. It's yours, in your home, it's not being sold to the general public.
AGAIN ...
The general public does not shop at Mapleshade.
Another spurious red herring argument.
DanL
OMG stop with the nonsense!
Of course the general public is the ONLY people who buy Mapleshade products.
Audio enthusiasts are part of the general public.
I wouldn't want to resort to name calling, so I won't start now, but you "sound" like a complete moron. I am not calling you a moron, just saying you sound like one.
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I'm glad I live in DC, land of the free. Guess I'll go smoke a legal joint and make myself a run to the power pole out of Cardas tonearm wire.
I don't buy any Mapleshade products. I'm a DIY er. I'd make my own.
But where Mapleshade deserves praise, in my opinion, is for their attitude of experimentation and perfectionism, as they see it.
When I visited Ron and Pierre at Ron's house 15 years ago, they didn't have a volume control in the system. They played Mapleshade recordings and they knew the level they were recorded at and they set the amp to THE proper volume. They had an outboard volume control box, if needed. for visitors.
The amp was liquid cooled Mosfet with the cooling line running down to the basement where it was cooled by an antique fan blowing on an old air conditioner coil.
As mentioned before these guys are quite serious experimenters and very careful listeners. If one is of the mindset to be intrigued by such tweaking, these guys are old masters at it.
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It's more of a moral and legal matter, rather then a "right".
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Moral
In whose eyes - not mine for sure.
It does not claim UL certification.
It's obvious that it will not stand abuse.
Somebody MIGHT get hurt is a red herring.
People get hurt stepping off the sidewalk.
The same reason is used to get swings, kickball,
monkey bars, jungle gyms etc out of playgrounds.
It is a very stupid argument in a "FREE" society.
Legal
Again do you want the government involved in deciding
what can and cannot be sold in the audio realm
because once you invite them in ...
They see No boundries !!!
They crush the whole business with regulations.
They love to make laws and even more laws.
I have seen it happen in many venues.
The whole section of business crushed by regulation.
GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT = POLICE STATE
Then let lawyers involved in this - Bad Idea.
Nowhere is it written that the government has the power
to protect people from bad decisions.
You can warn them but the choice is theirs.
In a free society that is.
DanL
No, we are not trying to outlaw monkey bars in playgrounds.
But what's wrong with imposing minimum standards of weld quality or steel grades?
Is the problem for you that the inexperienced, unlicensed hacks can't participate in the industry?
They are selling things that people want.
You don't want it fine.
But to make sure that others can't ...
Once you get the gov't involved then
they can and will destroy the industry.
Feet under the component makes
the whole stereo unstable.
Cable elevators cause a tripping hazard.
Tubes must have cages or
someone might burn themselves.
You can easily see where this can go.
You want BIG BROTHER in this ???
Think a little before you do this.
You may say that is not what you want
but it is a very slippery slope.
DanL
You think it's ok for some firm to sell playground equipment with shoddy welds or inferior steel where a child falls and seriously injured?We should not have product safety standards?
P.S. I would be honored to destroy the snake oil audio accessories industry. About time these people make an honest living.
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That isn't what happened...
ALL swings and ALL jungle gyms were banned.
Workmanship was never considered.
Workmanship hasn't been mentioned
about Mapleshade just materials used.
Yours vs Someone Else's Products
Who gets to decide that???
Who gets to draw the line???
The gov't will ban them all
because they can.
Someone somewhere will get offended.
Again who buys Mapleshade products ???
Audiophiles and wannabes not general public
and not some 10yr old kid or grandma.
So they are going to be
somewhat smart about it's use.
and poof another item on that list.
> > I would be honored to destroy
the snake oil audio accessories industry.
Now we are getting to the real point ...
This is something that YOU are going to do
to make YOU feel better and more in control.
YOU are going to wipe out the snake oil industry.
YOU are going on your soapbox and decry
the charlatans and beguilers as criminals.
YOU are going to bring fairness to the masses.
This is about YOU.
DanL
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I see your point Dan, I'm growing tired of all the legislation and laws getting shoved down our throat. This is a political agenda based on kickbacks and "earmarks" (or whatever fancy name you want to use). It is also a machine that funds litigation, I don't think our founding fathers had this in mind....
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Like I said, there are plenty of snake oil audiophile products out there. And for the most part they do no harm. Even many of the AC power products while not UL or equivalent listed, they do appear safe based on casual observation and the source of the raw components.
However once that line is crossed, it is more than fair game for anyone to suggest an investigation by authorities. It's their decision to act or ignore, not mine.
You know damn well if those Mapleshade power products would ever be subjected to safety inspection they would fail miserably.
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