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In Reply to: Who's better on guitar? posted by dwill123 on January 22, 2007 at 14:06:54:
.Jerry was a piker, could not play for beans.
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playing is limited.I have listened extensively to perhaps hundreds of live Grateful Dead and JGB recordings,mainly Soundboards and while Jerry did make more than his fair share of mistakes,missed noted and flubs,when he found the groove he could pull off some stunningly beautiful and at times fully mind blowing stuff.Its those perhaps relatively few instances where he and the band gets its just right that makes wading thru the forgettable stuff worthwhile. Jerry was a true musical explorer and the music for which he reached was often beyond any earthly means of playing but he was anything but untalented.Remember also he was missing his middle finger on the picking hand too.Its been said when waxing romantic the Gods had to take it lest his playing being too good diminish their glory or cause the premature death from extreme rapture by his audience.Dickey was probably a more consistent player and of very impressive ability.I wouldn't want to have to choose one or the other.
and he don't. He can jam fairly well, but he is basically, as stated above, a noodler. Wanto to hear the straosphere, same guitar tone? Larry Carlton AT THAT TIME, not now. He can't play for shite either, now. In fact he can't play nearly as well now as Jerry did. And Jerry as not better because he was missing a finger, that explains why you don't play well or better. I have never heard him play anything I cannot; that's my acid test (no fun intended). As Greg Lake said "We could jam with the Grateful dead, they could not jam with us". Differnce between noodlers and serious musicians.
I agree with John Peel after ELP's first gig... I think it was their first gig, anyway it was the Isle Of Wight Festival 19...70? 69?
And the comment was...
"Never has so much talent been wasted by so few in front of so many".
followed Larry Carlton around the Country for years and at one point he was the highest grossing touring performer in the world.Saying Jerry was "just a noodler" is like saying Earth is just a rock.To isolate Jerry' from the whole result of his input misses the greatness of which he was a part and without him never would have been.Maybe because of his imperfections he was that much more accessible to us imperfect,flawed human beings.
He was a similar noodler.
from someone who helps drunk drivers stay on the roads...
on January 23, 2007 at 08:37:53 ArdRi wrote:> > Yah,right.That's why thousands of people followed Larry Carlton around the Country for years and at one point he was the highest grossing touring performer in the world.Saying Jerry was "just a noodler" is like saying Earth is just a rock.To isolate Jerry' from the whole result of his input misses the greatness of which he was a part and without him never would have been.Maybe because of his imperfections he was that much more accessible to us imperfect,flawed human beings. < <
While that may all be true, *not* isolating Jerry from "the whole result of his input" only describes why he was a cultural phenomenon. If you want to compare apples to apples and judge his guitaristic abilities rather than his cultural phenomena, you have to take his playing at face value, out of context of the juggernaut that was the Dead, and see if it stands on its own merits without the influence of extra-musical criteria.
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