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I've been listening to this tune a lot lately and curious who do you fancy?
So far I love the Michelangeli/Giulini/Vienna Phil on the original vinyl.
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HDtracks just introduced hi rez versions of the Piano Concertos and the Symphonies with Daniel Barenboim. They are part of Decca's Beethoven for All series. Anyone have any experience with these versions of either the piano concertos or the symphonies?
Ruben stein/Leinsdrf/Boston
Poorly recorded, at least as a Red Seal, Rubensteins left hand seceded from his right halfway thru Act One
Gilels/Szell/Cleveland
My hometown side and Gilels can do no wrong plus this full set of Blue Angels has excellent sound. Masonic Hall or Severance, anyone know?
LIBERTY ONCE LOST,
IS LOST FOREVER
-JOHN ADAMS
Whilst I greatly admire Rubinstein's Chopin work, I am not too convinced of his Beethoven work so far. It's possible that I might have to go back further in time to exploit his Beethoven. Nothing is wrong with the set except that I just felt that this combo sounded to polite and too nice.
For Szell/Gilels, I love their Largo. Szell's swelling orchestral blooms is perfect for Gilels' beautiful but somewhat retrospective phrasing. But, something is lacking on the other movements for me.
This is why interesting to hear Fleisher/Szell set which everyone seems to give it the thumbs up.
Have you heard the Fleisher version?
agree, lacking.
to my ear, as a Szell enthusiast and collector for over 40 years, I don't think these Gilels Beethoven records represent his best work. He seems rushed and brusque and not as tuneful as before, and I think his cancer was affecting him by then. the sound is not good, either, imho.
I'm pretty sure that all of the EMI recordings of the Cleveland Orchestra were made at Severance. That would include the Brahms Double with Oistrakh and Rostropovich, the Dvorak Symphony 8, and the Schubert 9th, in addition to the Beethoven concertos with Gilels.
As far as I know (Todd or somebody correct me if I'm wrong), the Cleveland Orchestra didn't start recording at the Masonic Temple until after Szell died. After that, the orchestra recorded in both locations until recently, when their DG and video recordings (with Boulez and Welser-Moest) have come from live performances at Severance (except for the miserable Beethoven 9th with W-M, which was from a live performance in Florida).
review the link, there are occasional Masonic Hall recordings, but you are just about correct, they are usually from Severance.
I want to express a dissenting opinion--the Gilels Angel set is poor sounding with a blanket over the sound. Very different from the crisp unfettered clean acoustic of the Epic set w Fleisher. Also, the Gilels is not as well played.
I still like what I hear from the Angel set, tho'. Maybe it's the DIY 45 amp and JBL BR/B&C horns.
LIBERTY ONCE LOST,
IS LOST FOREVER
-JOHN ADAMS
well, the Epic set was definitely tube recording equipment, don't know the speakers for monitoring.
Angel EMI ones have made me curious over the yrs, and I even tracked Eurodisc and other European sets to see if the sound was better. I have a incomplete set 4 of 5 concertos, on blue/silver label Angel and a B1 single. I will get it out, and relisten.
I won mine for an Orchestra Marathom donation. Lot's and lot's of Angels.
LIBERTY ONCE LOST,
IS LOST FOREVER
-JOHN ADAMS
Al and I met in 1989 when I was completing my training at the Clinic.
I loved the AM show, used to wake up up up.
On hi quality cassette tape, I recorded some of the shows, including a whole tape of different up up up exhortations.
I took a pic that time and both of us were a lot slimmer.
He had a site to sell his records, but I did not bite--maybe 3 yrs ago.
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Either one will do; my slight preference is for the EMI one where he plays and conducts, but the one with Davis on Philips is a lot easier to find.
Somehow I never warmed up to Bishop's piano playing. Very good technically but I found his style a bit bland.
Maybe I just have to find the right one.
I love the recording made by Pierre-laurent Aimard with Harnoncourt and the Chamber Orchestra of Europe!
RubenSan Francisco, California
Is this it?
Done in period instruments?
Fleisher/Szell, with a sentimental nod to Toscanini/Ania Dorfmann, my first classical recording -- on 78s!
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I don't have the Radu Lupu/Zubin Mehta/Israel Philharmonic set, but I heard Lupu perform no. 3 with Muti and the NY Philharmonic, and am sure that would be a good bet for a complete set on CD. And at today's CD prices, why buy less than a complete set?
I have the Serkin/Ozawa/BSO set on Telarc, also very good.
Bronfman/Zinman on Arte Nova--very inexpensive, first-class performance with a different interpretive slant than many others. Their Concerto #2 is equally good!
Great. I'll give it a try.
Is this it?
You're right. This is only 6$USD!
The same team did all of the Beethoven concertos. IMO they are all excellent performances and well recorded, but #1 and #2 are outstanding. The recording by this team of the Triple Concerto (with Truls Mork and Gil Shaham) and the violin concerto with Tetzlaff are among my favorite performances.
Oh, and while I'm lauding these, Zinman's set of the Beethoven symphonies (also on Arte Nova) is definitely one of the best contemporary sets if you like nonsentimentalized, energetic interpretations in good sound (but not manic for no musical purpose, like Chailly).
I'll def. try Zinman's Beethoven Symphonies.
I am new to the classical genre so I have been starting with the dead conductors but at some point, I need to extend to the current sets. ( I figured I need to understand what's been done in the past to undertand and appreciate what's been done now. )
Plus I owe Toscanini who started my current interest in Beethoven's workhorse which I thought was stuffy boring music.
If you like Toscanini, you will probably like Zinman's approach, which is relatively lean and driven--BUT with much better sound, divided violins, and none of that blatty brass!
It's unfortunate that most of Toscanini's catalogue sound lacklustre.
This did not stop me from going through his entire 9 symphonies in one sitting, tho! ( I couldn't believe my ears how fresh and fun. )It's nice to have a good fidelity coupled with good performance that I love.
Edits: 08/09/12
The Bronfman/Zinman is just a beautiful recording of the 1st concerto.
And don't neglect Alfred Brendel's excellent live recordings with the Chicago Symphony/James Levine!
1.Fleisher/Szell in Epic Gold Label vinyl
2. Richter/Munch RCA LIving Stereo
3. Zimerman (the only 'not dead' piano player so far )
I totally forgot about Richter!
did you do anything with the list or updated list?
Note my comment to pbarach about the Gilels and severance.
Also, learsfool is right, Brendel Chicago is good.
here is a dark horse, Ashkenazy/Cleveland on Decca digital CD recording--wonderful playing, great sound, powerful orchestral playing.
Brendel is an odd one so far. I am preferring his older Vox work on Beethoven Sonatas and some Schubert pieces over his later Philips in spite the latter sounds loads better.Levin is on my list of stuff to try but I haven't got around to it.
I'll try Ashkenazy, too. He's also a hit and miss altho, I haven't heard any of his Beethoven work yet.
I've ordered aforementioned Bronfman/Zinman and Harnoncourt ( I think that's kind of interesting! ) CD and the rest I try to source them on vinyl if I can. ( I bet Szell/Fleisher Epic vinyl sound great if it's in a decent shape. )
Regarding the Gilels vinyl, yeah It's got an odd balance and piano sounds very distant. My angel copy doesn't sound that great. Also your remarks about timing. Fast tempo doesn't bother me on the 3rd movement but it ends up sounding busy. Pleasant performance I guess but it doesn't have enough balls for me. And I know Szell can be very effective but this wasn't it. ( except the Largo I like )
Edits: 08/09/12
Fleisher/Szell - yes. Richter/Munch - for sure. (Richter/Kondrashin is also tremendous, but the recording quality can't compete with the RCA Living Stereo.) I also have Zimerman playing and conducting the VPO, which I'd also add to this list.I'm sure someone will mention one of Martha's recordings too, and I wouldn't argue with that - I particularly like the Bavarian Radio recording with Ozawa and the Concertgebouw recording with Wallberg. Both of these seem more "alive" than the studio recording with Sinopoli - although that DG recording is by no means bad.
I'm afraid I haven't kept up with a lot of the more recent recordings - I sure didn't like what I heard from Pletnev in this concerto.
Edits: 08/07/12
the one he's conducting?
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Richter/Charles Munch BSO.
Vahe
Fleisher Szell 1961 gold label Epic LP is powerful yet winsome and fleet at the same time. A Classic, like the others in the set.
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With Munch and the Boston Symphony
Alan
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