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Quite scholarly and with excellent documentation.
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I'm sorry, but all those names leave me with head spinning.Totalitarian might be a better single cover word.
In Pre WWII Germany? Many Nazis were former Commies. If you believe these definitions, you might say 'impossible'......
And to Victor?
The personal record for mass murder goes to MAO. I have not seen an estimate below maybe 60 million over his entire career.....
You'll need to document Joe's total....
Too much is never enough
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That's been attempted many times by many historians. Here's a good single source for that:
Mao was a true communist/fascist, but the reason he beat the soviet scum was simply his larger population.Is there something pukin's admiration for Stalin tells us? Well, he was a good student, and his target - complete extermination of Ukraine and the Ukrainians - speaks volumes of his ideals.
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Mao 'won' (what a contest!) not because of his larger base population but because he was willing to kill EVERYONE.
Mao even shipped Grain to the Soviet Union in exchange for technology which Mao wanted to make his country 'strong'....
His grain shipments caused nothing short of mass starvation. Than of course we had The Great Leap Forward and a dozen other lesser 'movements'......All designed to solidy the position of Mao and to instill fear among potential rivals....
Stalin and Hitler TOGETHER were quite a pair, but fall short of Mao's total.......Or it might even be too close to call?
When you're talking those kinds of numbers? I lose interest in determining a 'winner'....
Too much is never enough
I don't see any real difference between the two murderers. But on the per capita basis Stalin out-murders his friend. He slaughtered larger percentage of his population.
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... Yevgeny Prigozhin according to Canadian columnist, Gywnne Dyer, (at least mostly seriously).
Dmitri Shostakovich
"He [Prigozhin] clearly knows how to run both a business and an army. "
I am sorry, but this is idiotic. The only business Prigozhin has experience running is criminal organization, and he NEVER commanded an army.
Reading the article through, what he's really say that aren't any good current options to replace Putin.
Dmitri Shostakovich
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The WHOLE country has been totally corrupt by the mutual consent of the population and the government, so today you have a huge decaying body.
The only medicine is death. There is no leader, capable of pulling it out of the shithole for the simple reason it loves it there.
Without a desire for a change no change is possible.
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In ruSSia it means an extra $100B or so.
Chris, you would love Stalin: only 6-9 million dead
. . . Stalin is still running things in Russia.
Does this look like Stalin is in charge?
View YouTube Video
miserable standard of living-check
KGB lookalikes despoiling government-check
secret police-check
murdering opponents-check
long prison terms for opponents-check
military stupidity-check
Western Useful tools-check
- miserable standard of living-check (yeah - the homeless living under every bridge in America)
- KGB lookalikes despoiling government-check (yeah - regular congress people looting the treasury on "defense" spending on the most corrupt country in Europe, not to mention getting rich off of insider stock trading)
- secret police-check (yeah - weaponized FBI and CIA)
- murdering opponents-check (yeah - BTW, who's in HM Prison Belmarsh?)
- long prison terms for opponents-check (yeah - exercise your First Amendment rights and go to prison for years after your bank account is seized)
- military stupidity-check (yeah - when WILL those new Wunderwaffen start working?)
- Western Useful tools-check (change "Western" to "Deep State" and I rest my case)
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The numbers are still in question, but the more reliable estimates are around 20 million. That's what historian Robert Conquest conveyed to me in a personal conversation. Full detail about Mr. Conquest in the link. I was his research assistant at Stanford U in the 1990s.
Conquest was the best
Professor Rummel puts his estimate at 62 million.
Other estimates by ruSSian scholars estimate it based on population deficit, and their numbers typically are in the same range.
100 million in India in 40 years.
I'm afraid neither Stalin nor Hitler measure up. And let's not forget: Hitler had help - the American corporations "joint venturing" with the German Nazis prior to the war. Nor should we forget the murderous savagery of Belgium's King Leopold II (10,000,000 Africans in just a few years) - quite an accomplishment for such a tiny country! No wonder the EU is headquartered in Brussels!
Pretty accurate in my opinion. But you've got better depth. Whaddaya think?
All accurate but lacking depth, mostly the top level known stuff.
I myself am not fascinated by that person, such people existed near more tyrants and many ended up rather poorly. Prigozhin does command media attention, but is he playing any important role? Not really. Let's not forget, he was not even commanding his killers - the General Staff was, so he basically performed the duty of their promoter, or representative, with not much power in his hands.
So all in all a character of secondary importance at best - loud and controversial as long as allowed to be.
He allowed most of his core troops be killed - hardly a mark of a good leader or a commander. He simply let them be used by top level butchers of Marshall Zhukov school of warfare.
Will look later, just came back from long bike ride. The weather is simply unbelievable today.
I sent him the link earlier, and he just walked in, saying something like "That last paragraph, man, so powerful! And so frightening!"
He is one of those Americans who take the situation very seriously.
I just said I could have written it myself.
So now you're linking to Foreign Policy, a rag formerly supported by the Carnegie Endowment and now owned by Jeff Sleazos and his Washington Post? And the author, Ian Garner is "a translator of Russian war propaganda"! Too funny for words!
As one of the commenters states (my comments in [brackets] below). . .
Garner is a "translator of Russian war propaganda "...-.the heading next to his name and the article reflect that perfectly.
FP should now find a source (not difficult) to write about the Ukrainian Nazis/Ultra nationalists/Azov etc and reflect on what is going to be left of the Ukranian economy after this provoked, but yes illegal [in the eyes of the US and its vassal states!], Russian invasion.
Figures I have seen suggest the current population of Ukraine is as little as 18m people. . . I think it was 38m at the peak about 5 years ago. [BTW, this is also the view of Colonel Douglas MacGregor.]
Zelenzki and Biden and the UK are heavily responsible for this disaster; Russia will recover faster than the impoverished Ukraine.
It is rare for a Westerner to so grasp the truth about that shithole.I could sign under each and every paragraph, it is clearly written by someone who knows a bit more than "I met some ruSSians..." about the history and the present of that huge piece of land.
1000% accurate... let me just quote the last paragraph:
"This is a culture that is preoccupied with death. Whether it's about killing off "non-Russian" elements inside the country, sending the country's youth to die in wars abroad, or butchering civilians in genocidal military campaigns, death is glorified. And that glorification isn't confined to state institutions, state politicians' speeches, or state media. The Russian state has spent 20 years forming a national identity fixated on sacrifice and death. Today, Alina and her fellow believers are bubbling over with revolutionary zeal. They are ready to "cleanse" themselves, their children, and their neighbors through acts of violence—and death."
Just as I have been saying - they have finally created that New Man, a creature about which we have read in our school books.
Great job, man!
BTW... on that "I met some ruSSians..." horseshit... unfortunately, in my estimation, the proportion of scum among the ruSSian immigrants is about the same as in ruSSia - roughly 86%.
I am speaking of ethnic ruSSians, of course, not Jews, for instance. I am proud to belong to the remaining 14%.
It is roughly the opposite proportion among the Jewish immigrants. While all of them suffered from soviet state promoted antisemitism, some have been wounded more than others - that is particularly true of the Jews from Poland and Ukraine. It is not possible to truly comprehend all the personal experiences, so I have respect for those. But none of those wounded people supports pukin and his war - they are just reserved in their reaction towards the Ukrainians.
Sadly... in our small circle of what we used to call friends, two families support the ruSSian aggression.
So there are wounds anywhere you look...
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Since Putin has been in power, how many people have been murdered as a result of Russian foreign policy as opposed to US foreign policy?
Just in Iraq, we've got the blood of over a million on our hands.
You say that 86% of Russians are "scum" - well I guess that settles it then. BTW, aren't you the same guy who claims that 70% of the Russian populace lacks running water? Or that the Soviet Union never fell?
I guess you're a real expert then! (Just like that idiot who wrote the FP article.)
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