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I bet the folks at Remington Arms thought this ad was clever when it was shown to them.
Now, it's part of an evidence portfolio that cost them $73 million.
Follow Ups:
Wait a minute.I put the Ad through Google Translate and it said, "if you buy this rifle it will rejuvenate your manhood to be the bush master you once were".
Nah, I'll stick with my pistols.
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by their posts in this thread.
All my arms and ammunition is locked in a large safe 1,150 miles from where I now live and yet...
Somehow my 'man card' is just fine.
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Obama and the Defund the Police Socialists are the best gun salesmen we have seen in decades.
Yeah www, if the police can't shoot people in the back there has to be others to take their place.
If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things.
Yeah, cops are just running around shooting innocent people in the back. And if they happen to miss then they are open season for the masses. I got it. CNN has some job openings!
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The ad is targeting small men like you to b=uy a big gun so you can feel
more manly - typical it works with you Small man Syndrome Trump supporters
lol.
You're too much of a pussy ever to face me one on one without your guns.
Bwahahahaha - little snowflakes like you and ALL the Trump supporters on
this board - whiny cowards the lot of you unless you're packing.
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Not surprisingly, your deleted post demonstrates gross ignorance and utterly juvenile taunts. And somehow I knew you'd get a knee-jerk Trump comment in there someplace. LOL!
Big gun? BTW, rifles that chamber .223 caliber ammunition are about as small as you can get. But then I wouldn't expect clueless guys like you to possess any knowledge in that respect.
Pictures help children so they might work with you, too.
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RE: Attn: E-Stat
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The reason people delete their own posts is that they may post in anger and think twice and delete it (in my case within 90 seconds). Although I
certainly stand by the sentiment with you and your ilk.
PS - Another reason I deleted it is because I take my own advice that I don't know the people I am talking to on internet forums. I don't know what they are capable of doing - on the other hand, they don't know what I am capable of doing.
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on the other hand, they don't know what I am capable of doing.
Rich, are you mentally stable?
well if you felt I was mentally unstable why would you ask that question?
That would seem kind of dangerous on your part would it not? I mean I sure hope no one on this board thinks because they use a fake name they can't be found. If people can hack Citibank you can bet they can hack Audio Asylum or someone's home VPN.
I have had a few death threats over the years merely on audio matters which is nothing as hot-button as politics. So I have dealt with the crazies on audio boards. Hell one Audio Dealer in Florida went absolutely ape shit calling me every name in the book merely for noting that another manufacturer had his speakers in a broom closet. If I said it in person I am fairly sure he would have punched me - err it's Florida so he'd probably shoot me and dismember me. And I didn't even say anything about the speaker - just that the other manufacturer brought in competing speakers to test and maybe reverse engineer. It was just funny to see such an expensive speaker in a broom closet.
As I said on another thread - you never know who you are talking to on the internet and you do not know what they are capable of doing. I suppose the way I wrote the second part that they don't know what I am capable of doing either could be taken a bit as threatening LOL - but it was to illustrate the point in the other direction.
Don't worry - "I have never killed anyone, but I have read some obituary notices with great satisfaction." (Clarence Darrow - often misattributed to Mark Twain).
Only you experience fear on this board.
Being a Trump nut says everything about you snowflake.The AR in the picture is "big on killing" (it's a bigger gun than is necessary for self-defence - a .38 special. The AR-15 is a mass shooter weapon. It's funny that you would focus on the size of the bullets. Lol, you really do fit the small man inferiority complex to a tee.
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are always hilarious!
What is irrational E-Stat?
You belong to the book-burning party - that's the party you vote for. The people who protect children from learning about history and are afraid of a book like MAUS but do absolutely NOTHING to stop kids from being slaughtered by AR15s.
As I said - your support of the white hoods and red hats money-grubbing party says everything about you.
no pun intended, even as he expressed it in a regrettable fashion.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
The problem with some posters is they say things behind their computer screens they would not dare to say to someone's face. Calling people whiners or snowflakes for example. The thing is, what I say to someone on a forum I will say to their face (assuming they don't have a gun) because that's another thing they need in order to be brave.
Not long back I was on a bus here in HK with an American Trumper and he usually starts going on some rant about the "China Virus" or the "Gillette Feminism commercial" or how Trump was definitely going to get re-elected (lol) or some such rubbish. I usually nod and let it go.
I mean I try to move away from this guy but I guess he has no friends or anyone to talk to so he usually bombards me with this nonsense. He looks like those simpletons with the red hats who get interviewed and always wind up looking ridiculous.
Anyway, he said something racist and I called him out and stood nose to nose and called him a fucking moron. Well, he didn't like that and I could see him getting angry and clenching his fist as if to belt me. But he's not in America - no guns in Hong Kong so, of course, he slinked away like a little bitch.
The advantage of real-life is one can see these creeps and walk the other way. On a forum where you try to talk to upstanding, moral and ethical, and high-quality human beings, you are stuck with the likes of E-Stat, TWB, Inmate51 and others who normally you'd emigrate to avoid.
In real life, I do not associate with racists, misogynists, book burners, people who try to stop the teaching of history (FFS!!) and the fact of Evolution, and who support giving trillions of dollars to billionaires but no money for starving children or the elderly.
With forums, unlike real life, you have to sort of stomach the awful to get to the good. Albeit this subforum has a lot more awful than I normally like.
Yes, its a relatively small round but is meant to tumble through a body other pierce.
The military uses it because its small, light & deadly, oh, & its fairly inexpensive for its killing power.
I own.
With a 20 round magazine, every bit as deadly as the piece shown in the ad above.
Sadly, it's also so boring looking that it doesn't do a thing for my self- esteem, as least as far as 'manliness' goes. :-(
Very reliable, I've run thousands of rounds through it (back in the day when ammo was cheap) without jam. Groups at 100 yards do tend to move a few inches (quite a few, actually) to the left as the barrel warms up on a hot day with lots of those 20 round magazines having gone through it.
completely outlawed (with a few exemptions for special cases), with extreme penalties for possession. Fully-automatic weapons have been successfully and legally outlawed for decades- these sorts of magazines permit nearly as much deadliness.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
...because it's relevant to me. Clearly you know nothing about firearms (I do, but you don't). When I want to enjoy my vinyl, I use a 100% manual table, so I actually have to "participate"--an average album-side is only 20 or so minutes long, before I have to change sides.
If I go to the range with a high-capacity magazine, I just don't have to re-load as often. I'd gladly ban your streaming service for music as well. Sit down, shut-up and don't walk that far away--you've got to change "sides"--or "albums".
There is only ONE person holding the trigger or the needle as the arm drops--they ALONE are responsible for what comes out the "other end".
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
In audio, people aren't being massacred and maimed in large quantities.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
...regardless of the means/weapons. Look at the TOTAL homicide numbers--guns didn't kill them ALL, and then factor-out legal guns, and what are you left with?
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
1. Murder should be outlawed.
2. Theft should be illegal.
3. Felons shouldn't be allowed to possess firearms.
4. Underage people shouldn't be allowed to purchase firearms.
How about you?
...now let's talk about "enforcing" EVERYTHING that's already "on the books".
I am so tired of hearing the "sob-stories" of "the cops killed my angel"--the 14 year-old kid in a stolen car, at 4 am, suspected in a drive-by shooting, and a couple stolen and/or altered weapons in the car--shot as they tried to flee. I'm all for prosecuting parents (if that's what you would even call them).
The "problem" lies far-deeper--at home...
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
as long as they don't start shooting white people.
If those things I mentioned are on the books, I was unaware.
I've never heard of a parent going to jail when their kid used their gun to kill someone. Seems like it is always labeled a tragic accident, everyone shakes their head, and that's the end of it.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
That situation may be changing. The parents of the kid behind the recent Oxford MI high school massacre will be or have been charged and may be tried in an apparently novel approach by the county prosecutor.
No consequences, other than the ritual "thoughts and prayers".
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
...the whole "tragic accident" BS. I grew-up in a household (with both parents) and a bunch of "unsecured" guns. No one ever shot anyone, and until I stopped living there (moved away to go to go to college), my parents knew where I was on any given hour/day of the week. And don't even try to lie your way out of it...
And yes--convicted felons cannot own guns, minors cannot own/possess guns (without supervision--you could go hunting--with an adult), and handguns must be registered by serial number. Carry-permits/laws vary widely.
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
"Non-parenting" occurs all too often.
Remember this story ?
he didn't.
PROPER enforcement.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
we have rational legislators who don't render law abiding citizens *instant* criminals to appease the feel good crowd.edit: Forgot to add that even Beto O'Rourke has reversed his "Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15" stance. ;)
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Maybe we should add ...
If your gun is used by someone else in a crime, you go to jail too.
If your gun is used by someone else and kills someone, you go to jail, for a very long time.
If your gun is used by someone else and kills a bunch of people, you go to jail for life, or face a firing squad, your choice.
If you don't like that arrangement, either don't own a gun, or make sure it can never, ever be held by anyone but you.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
I saw a video that they are working on some sort of fingerprint reader for the gun like on a laptop that only the registered owner can unlock the safety with his fingerprint. Presumably, you can have multiple fingerprints say for your wife/partner to also operate it. Hey at least someone is attempting some sort of practical solution that can at least stop the family's 5-year old from blowing his brains out accidentally.
But alas, it's still just a variation on a lock and all locks can be bypassed by someone really motivated. But it could stop the crazies and that's not nothing.
It just took a little time.
...a kid walking into a classroom and blowing away a bunch of other kids.
Comon' E ...you've been kinda' rough on me lately.
Seriously, why not punish the owner of the gun, at least somewhat ?
And don't reply with "well, what about the owners of the hammers and the baseball bats". They aren't classified as weapons and don't kill people from a distance.
I'm not trying to be a troll here, or argumentative. Like you (I think), I'd like to see less gun violence.
As you pointed out, the laws are in place. They obviously aren't a deterrent.
Is our society just too far gone and if we would like less gun violence, we need to move to another country?
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
being the suggestion to enact absurd laws to combat violence.
Comon' E ...you've been kinda' rough on me lately.
I stand by the notion that your saying "a journalist doesn't have any ideas of his own" and "not capable of critical thought" is childish.
I asked for your ideas/suggestions to help curb gun violence.
It appears you have none, but are okay with calling suggestions of others absurd.
Not what I'd hoped for from you E.
...and I stand by what I implied about Rogan. Sorry you don't like the way I said it.
Have a great weekend.
I'm going to get back to work. No more AA coffee breaks for me.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
But reasonable folks must put *solutions* into perspective.
According to the FBI:
More folks are killed by "blunt objects" than rifles.
More folks are killed by "hands, fists, feet, etc." than rifles
Do you have a reasonable solution to addressing the problem with hammers and bats?
I will go out on a limb and say that it is virtually impossible in reality.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
the problem isn't how many people are murdered.
It's how many die within a specified period of time.
Otay!
E, that's a really lame response. Actually, it not even a response, its deflection.
Yes more people were killed by rifles than blunt objects (443/297).
Did you notice the number of total number of deaths by firearms verses blunt objects (10,265/443).
To answer your question, no, I don't have a reasonable solution to address the "problem with bats" (297). Nor do I consider it a problem yet worth addressing. We've got larger problems.
I am more concerned with staying on topic and addressing a solution to the problem with firearms (10,265).
Seems to me you are implying they are not a problem.
Now I'm really outta' here ...got to get home and lock up my bats.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Yes more people were killed by rifles than blunt objects (443/297).Look again. You have that bass-ackwards. (I hope you enjoy that reference)
Did you notice the number of total number of deaths by firearms verses blunt objects (10,265/443)...Seems to me you are implying they are not a problem.
Sure. Let's take a closer look. 60% of that number is due to suicide. If someone wants to take their own life, there are many ways to do that.
If you're really interested in reducing the number, perhaps you should inform yourself as to where the real problems lie. According to the CDC:
" Males account for 86% of all victims of firearm death and 87% of nonfatal firearm injuries. Rates of firearm violence also vary by age and race/ethnicity. Firearm homicide rates are highest among teens and young adults 15-34 years of age, and among Black, American Indian/Alaskan Native, and Hispanic populations. "
Translation: gang and drug related crime. Enacting a law to restrict magazine capacity of AR15s isn't going to impact that number at all. Do you understand?
I don't have a reasonable solution to address the "problem with bats" (297)
Dyslexia again.
edit: Just a head's up. Some folks don't seem to understand I frequently include hyperlinks to data sources. There's one in this post and in the previous one as well. Just click the blue text.
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Here's something which disputes your view, at least related to gang related homicides. Note that it lists their sources.
Ok, then address the remaining violent crime committed by:
"Firearm homicide rates are highest among teens and young adults 15-34 years of age, and among Black, American Indian/Alaskan Native, and Hispanic populations. "
That CDC statement says zilch about gangs/drugs, nor does it counter the facts in what I linked.
address the core demographic as observed by the CDC.
I'm sure all those young men are fine upstanding youths. Who happen to commit the majority of murders.
It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
nt
You don't even have to be a half ass marksman to kill or maim many in minutes.
PERFECT for self defense!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Nt.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
the size of the projectile doesn't tell the whole story. Ever been shot? You don't want to get shot.
Have not been shot, but a truly "big gun" like a .416 Weatherby has five times the muzzle energy.
It'll be interesting to see the lawsuits fly the next time a Ford F-250 pickup truck squashes a Smart car.
People can be such morons.
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We are inclusive and diverse. But dissent will not be tolerated.
"It'll be interesting to see the lawsuits fly the next time a Ford F-250 pickup truck squashes a Smart car."
Interesting thought but I don't think Ford advertises with that purpose in mind. However, a hiking boot in size XL could squash a Smart Car ;-)
Well, 51, it HAD to happen.
We are in perfect agreement.
What would have happened if Remington had been able to get a FAIR judgement at trial?
Nobody is responsible for anything any more. So we SUE.
Tobacco? It's their fault I smoke 3 packs a day.
And once the propaganda mill winds up? Guilty until proven innocent.
I wonder what the final outcome is for the few caught Driving Without Insurance?
Too much is never enough
you can.
NT
Notice the tag line: "If it's good enough for a professional, it's good enough for you."
If it's good enough for a professional, it should be banned from public sale.
Okay, I'll have to get rid of my Hilti tools and get Harbor Freight,
what's the difference?. Crickets.....
There are plenty of pro shooters like Jerry Miculek who would certainly disagree!
What does a pro shooter do with a AR..?
Would have to be a bad shot.
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
There are many competitive events available for the AR platform using centerfire and rimfire ammunition either solo or as part of a "three gun."
Perhaps the best known is the Civilian Marksman Program (CMP) competition held each year at Camp Perry with several different shooting categories. This event dates back to 1903 although was privatized in 1996.
Just like the 9,000lb Hummer, I am struggling to see any practical relevance or application in the real world for this.
Who needs competitions for shooting AR type weapons?
In the Army, yes.
In amateur shooting - just no.
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
the AR15 is a very cost effective and accurate platform for the "varmint class" .223 cartridge among others. Accessories and ammunition are found most everywhere. You might find it ironic that about ten states restrict the use of that cartridge for hunting because it doesn't have enough power. And that the remarkably similar semi-auto Ruger Mini-14 chambered for the same cartridge has been available since 1974. It doesn't possess the "eveeel" look of the black gun, but operates the same way.
I've got two. I have a .22 rimfire bolt carrier for the .223 flavor which allows me to inexpensively plink at the range. As one who enjoys working with my hands, I built one from a kit. Naturally, there is a critical component that requires purchase from a FFL dealer which goes through the normal FBI check. My state issued concealed carry permit sufficed.
Yes, well that is obviously a lot different from a 20 y.o. suburban punk who mows down a bunch of first graders and their teachers.
laws get broken every day.
This is a comparatively recent problem given the AR was designed in 1956 and first produced by Colt in 1964.
While mass shootings get most of the press, the number of murders committed using rifles of all types is but 3% of the total per Pew Research data .
I've heard that HAMMERS kill more people than guns. Don't know if Snap-ons,
or cheap ones.
According to FBI Expanded Homicide Data , more "blunt objects" are used for murder than rifles. Along with "hands, fists, feet, etc."
Brand of hammer or club not stated.
Nt
The majority of fatal stabbings (homicides) aren't committed with aggressive hunting or military-style knives. They're committed with common kitchen knives--and EVERYONE has a bunch of them, and they're NEVER "secured". Neither is that 5lb ball-peen hammer or 18" pipe wrench just lying on my workbench.
Most homicides aren't the result of "elaborate planning" like observed with these mass-murderers/school-shooters. They are un-planned "impulse" kills.
Sure--the BIG headlines always read "mass-shooter suddenly opens fire at a school/mall/employer/church, killing/wounding XX# of people". Then (a week or so later) investigators "discover" all of their plans/intentions that were "hidden in plain-site" all-along. No one gives a shit about one woman stabbed or beaten to death by her drunk boyfriend/husband/ex during a domestic disturbance--might not even get an honorable mention on the news.
Weapons (any type of weapon) don't kill people--people kill people. Hell--I've got enough ammonium nitrate fertilizer and diesel fuel out in the barns to take-out a city block (if I were so-inclined). I work on a lot of my own electronics, so I've got the skills, and enough spare parts/discarded devices to whip-up a detonation system in a couple hours.
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
The very purpose of a firearm as a weapon is the ability to rapidly maim and kill at a distance with greatly reduced risk of retaliatory harm to the shooter. A firearm enables multiple death events to occur at interval's measured in milliseconds. It also enables unchangeable spur-of-the-moment killing with no count-to ten cooling off periods. Try that with a hammer or a kitchen knife or a ladder. The "only people kill people" argument is weak NRA ad copy BS.
...and there are several hundred firearms in my possession--none of which have ever killed a human. I recently inherited ~200 guns from my uncle--NONE of which are assault weapons--although a few are vintage military rifles from decades ago. He was a hunter (as am I), a collector, and a licensed dealer.
All of them are capable of killing someone--a couple of the rifles are good for 1000+ yrds easily. The anti-gun lobby doesn't realize that most of "big-news" events are NOT because the killer had a gun--it's because we (society, as a whole) neglected to realize/admit/"say something" about the psycho holding it.
Legal/legitimate gun-owners aren't pulling guns at the McDonald's drive-thru because they didn't get their extra-ranch--sorry...
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
The villains are always inanimate objects or groups who have been promoting Constitutional Rights for 150 years!
What else can you do but shake your head and smile at such knee-jerk sentiments? :)
The "only people kill people" argument is weak NRA ad copy BS.
That's what Alec Baldwin says: "I didn't pull the trigger"
Those pesky guns have a mind of their own. :)
Alec didn't pull the trigger, but he pulled the hammer back and released it. On many guns, that will fire it. The question for that tragedy, is why was there live ammo on the set.
I've shot Colt .45 SAs and Ruger Vaquero "cowboy guns" but am not aware of any that do as you say.
Which ones are those?
where the guy "fans" the six shooter. The world record is 5 rounds in 1.6 seconds.
I think it's possible with most single action revolvers.
let's examine the procedure as found in your link:
"That technique is called "fanning." This action is done by holding down the trigger on a single action revolver, and then rapidly pulling back the hammer. "
Engaging the trigger is most certainly involved.
If you pull the hammer all the way back on a revolver, it will stay back until you pull the trigger at which point it will fire. If you partially pull the hammer back, but not to the cocked position and release it suddenly, some revolvers will fire. Some revolvers have a safety mechanism to prevent the gun from firing like this, some don't. On 60 Minutes, Alec said that he pulled the hammer almost all the way back and released it without pulling the trigger. If he had been more familiar with the gun, he would have been aware that the gun could fire. Still, the real question is why was there a live round in the gun or even on the set.
If you partially pull the hammer back, but not to the cocked position and release it suddenly, some revolvers will fire.
I've never run across such a firearm. Cheap Italian clone?
Hope the illustrations help.
...not knives, hammers, baseball bats, cigarettes, alcohol, heart-disease, diabetes, obesity, cancer--and certainly not an SUV or (God-forbid) Covid?
Jeesh--get with the program! Oh, I forgot--opiates--it doesn't matter how much pain you are in, you can't have those either.
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
Let's go duck hunting with our choice of weapon: say a knife or a hammer or a baseball bat or a cigarette or alcohol or a diseased heart or god forbid an SUV. The argument that anything is a lethal weapon and is therefore the equivalent of a firearm is nonsense. Equating infection and physical malady to firearms is stupid.
I'll take one of my Kassnar or Benelli over and under shotguns, and you take your hammer and bat--who eats tonight?
Once you can mentally separate "gun-violence" from just "violence" (in general), there is no point is further discussion.
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
In this last post you make a point that you with your shotgun probably eat duck and I with my hammer probably don't. You essentially acknowledge that your firearm greatly improves if not fully enables your ability to take out a duck at distance at a rapid rate at no significant cost or risk to you. But you can't see how this enhanced ability also enables bad behavior, especially impulsive bad behavior. And there's the equating of all potentially lethal weapons to a firearm. What happened to the old proverb "don't take a knife to a gunfight"?
Guns in isolation don't kill people. People without weapons kill people with some difficulty. People with simple weapons kill people with less difficulty. People with guns kill people with ease.
Ultimately you are correct: further discussion not warranted.
that the subject of each of the following sentences is "People".
People without weapons kill people with some difficulty.
People with simple weapons kill people with less difficulty.
People with guns kill people with ease.
Carriage return between each mine.
We need to make it more difficult for one person to kill another person. To reiterate, guns in isolation don't kill people. People with guns kill other people with ease. We aren't yet ready to control people but we can control "guns". Not eliminate them but control them. First step: greatly reduce the number out there and make it way more difficult for the ne'er-do-well to obtain them. Not possible in the US at present. A more likely solution would be a mandate that all persons 16yo+ carry and know how to use. Oops, that evil freedom sucking mandate word. Dystopian for sure.
...I can probably find a "vintage" pair out there on Eprey?
You are more than welcome to come run the serial numbers of any/all of my guns... they've NEVER been involved in a CRIME. I'd say to go police high-crime areas, but then I'd just be a racist--despite the statistics.
Find me some "parents", and hold them responsible--whatever color/race/religion.
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
But I take em off once in a while to see how things really are.I don't think you're getting it. The discussion isn't about you personally or your weapons cache. The issue at hand is gun crime and mass shootings and how they might be reduced. I really doubt you're part of this problem. But you like so many others immediately personalize and internalize any attempt to control gun crime that involves reduced gun availability or other possible restrictions. An action that has just about zero possibility of occurring in the US in your or my remaining lifetimes.
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...but in order to make any sort of meaningful progress, you have to take the word "gun" out of the discussion. How about we re-name the issue "violent crime", instead of "gun crime"? How about we focus on "crime", rather than "gun"? The minute you introduce the word "gun" to the discussion, the wagons are circled on two fronts--those that want to ban/restrict all guns, and those that immediately run-out and buy a dozen more--and the real issue of violent crime is lost.
You're right--legal, responsible gun-owners like myself are not contributing to the problem. Please note that I used two words there--legal AND responsible--they are NOT mutually-inclusive. I know plenty of people that legally own firearms, that probably shouldn't, but they still haven't committed a violent crime, and are not ever likely to. Responsible?--the jury is still out on that one...
People WILL rally-around the idea of reducing "violent crime". The minute you put the word "gun" into the discussion, you've divided your "audience", and all hope of meaningful progress is lost.
Clearly, I realize that guns are involved in a LOT of violent crimes, but not ALL violent crimes, nor are they the CAUSE of violent crime.
I appreciate the civil discourse BTW!
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
nt
the FBI statistics I quoted to Coner regarding the number of murders committed by rifles of all types?
It's lower than caused by blunt instruments like hammers and clubs. And fewer than half as many than "hands, fists, feet, etc". Click here for source and table. ;)
I want to know what we're going to do about hammers!
The demographics of handgun crime are well understood as you've observed and summarized by a CDC report here.
Some folks don't want to accept this information.
The "only people kill people" argument is weak NRA ad copy BS.
So WHO exactly kills others?
1. Is it the NRA? Ehhhhh.
2. Is it the gun? Ehhhhh.
What is your answer?
Is that you final answer?
exactly what you meant by this?
The "only people kill people" argument is weak NRA ad copy BS.
I know it is meaningless, but would be interested in your motivation for posting it.
When you already "know it is meaningless". Assuming that's your true sentiment wouldn't that be a waste of time?
The ad isn't specific enough.
Firearms are partly bought on the basis of RELIABILITY and FUNCTIONALITY.
A gun which jams a LOT is basically a funny shaped paperweight....
You cannot BUY an assault weapon in the US unless you have some VERY special permissions and paperwork from the governing body. This means VERY FEW people who are 'collectors' quality. You also need a SECURE PLACE to store such weapons.
Too much is never enough
"If it's good enough for a professional, it should be banned from public sale."
If we the people don't have professional gear how will we keep a tyrannical government at bay?
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
OK, I see. Oh my.
Shame on you !
Move to Mexico, where the drug cartels "keep a tyrannical government at bay." Yeah.
By voting in good people, that care about this Country, and not themselves first. Thats how it was designed.
Half the Country doesn't even bother to vote. No wonder we get azzholes, and scam artists elected to run things.
mg16
Edits: 02/17/22
And that's where compulsory voting is good. And voting on the weekend.
If half the ballots are counted as "Informal" because they have "FUCK YOU" written on them instead of ticking a box, there's a worthwhile message sent to the Gov't of the day, on all sides of the House.
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
Nt
No, but the Gov't does know from voting stats how many people went to the trouble of telling them to get fucked.
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
nt
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Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
nt
But some are sure trying!
Too many people believe that these days, but you can't really fix an election to the tune of 7 million votes. 7,000 in a local election, MAYBE, but not 7 million.
I don't know the numbers but in Chicago, 1960 Richard Daley had enough dead people voting for JFK to put him in the White house. The race was that paper thin.
And what about elections that are simply won by whoever has the most money?
That seems rigged to me.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
"People can be such morons." 51 no speak with forked tongue.
If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things.
Either that or...
Notice that it is called the Bushmaster. Coincidence?, me don't think so.
If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things.
a firearm to regain their "manhood".
Penis extender, for someone insecure in his manhood.
mg16
Would love to have seen the faces of the attorneys (on both sides) when they 'discovered' that ad.
Was this a settlement or a jury award?
nt
and I see that ad entered into evidence, I'd agree to settle.
You have to also realize that Remington's assets have been sold off and what's left is in bankruptcy.
It makes the decision easy, let the insurance company pay.
-Rod
guessing the insurance company made the decision to settle.
Still, that ad sure makes for a BAD look!
Ruger is smart to stick with 'Ranch Rifle' for their Mini-14 with picture of a guy shooting at a coyote. Doubt most folks even know what the name Mini-14 even means.
"This is my rifle, this is my gun. This for fighting, this is for fun."
Isn't that taught in Army [or is it USMC] bootcamp ;-)
It's probably taught in other branches as well. Drill Instructors get bent out of shape if you call your rifle a gun. It's just something else to get in someone's face about.
Or a scene from "Full Metal Jacket ".
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