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In Reply to: RE: No thanks. posted by RGA on January 30, 2022 at 07:21:57
People your age are prudes compared to those of us who came of age in the 1970's. Nearly every movie had a nude scene, but by the 1990's nudity in movies had nearly disappeared. The 1970's and early 1980's were the height of porn, too.
Anyway, Monroe and other Hollywood actresses from the era 1930's through 1950's never held much attraction for me when I was younger. My crushes were on actresses like Diana Rigg and Carol Lynley.
It's only lately that I've come to appreciate just how beautiful actresses from that era were.
I never like Madonna at all, not her, not her music. To me, her main talent was relentless self-promotion.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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But that era also was largely shielded from the press - the studios created personal lives - gay actors were married to be perceived and to be held up as a Man's man - example; Rock Hudson.
So there was no real role model aspect to them because you never actually knew them like you do today. One of the reasons there are no "stars" today is because there is no mystery anymore.
When you look back at Madonna videos from the early 1980s like Holiday or Material Girl (Based on Monroe's "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend") because Madonna is a huge Monroe fanatic. It's sort of laughable to me that she became a sex symbol for videos that would not have made a blip sexually in Europe.
Self-promotion is somewhat arguable too - again the studio promoted their stars like Monroe and Judy Garland so much so that they were partially or largely responsible for killing them. Madonna put out a music video and some nut group or news station would go crazy because her video had a black man as Jesus (umm Jesus wasn't white) but these outlets were bashing her and she basically told them to get stuffed.
I do agree that the SEX book was self-promotion but hey it was basically her own Playboy. A Terrific body back then - she likes sex - all good by me. I also liked that her music had superior production values and sound quality compared to most 1980s and 1990s era recordings. I never felt she was much of a singer or dancer - but that's not all that important for pop - have a catchy tune, sing above average, dance above-average put on a show with high production values, have fireworks shoot out from your bra, and bring some sex appeal.
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I am pleased that modern television in the US actually shows sex and nudity in shows like Game of Thrones.
She knew going in that some jesus morons in Iowa would be outraged. It was great publicity. It's always better to be talked about than not talked about.
That's why, to me, her main talent was self-promotion. Everything else was secondary. She's female David Bowie but with about 10% of his musical talent.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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I was never a Bowie fan until a few years ago. The guy's range and eclecticism is impressive, and very many times I've heard an odd song not sung by David Bowie on a movie soundtrack or in a TV commercial only to find out later that he wrote the tune in question.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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