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In Reply to: RE: If you think the Chinese are any less free than we are, you're kidding yourself. posted by ghost of olddude55 on January 13, 2022 at 08:40:29
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Since the stuff we buy is made in China, in factories powered by coal (when they can get power at all), we're essentially using coal power right now.
But it's more than the global warming bullshit. We incarcerate a way higher percentage of our population than China does. The FBI can search your house without a warrant. The NSA records every electronic communication 24/7.
If you travel with cash, cops can and will take it away from you. It's legal for police officers to pull you over on a pretext just to have a look at what you're doing. Your 4th Amendment protections don't apply.
We even have a de facto one party system. "Democrat" and "Republican" are just brand names, wholly-owned subsidiaries of the same billionaire donors. One every important issue, the parties are in lockstep.
I'm 100% certain that China could secretly take over the entire Federal government and none of us would ever notice the difference.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Voting rights.
Build Back Better.
Jan 6th investigation.
Most Dems would say those are critical issues to resolve: how many Republicans Congress people do?
One or two Dems stand in the way of these--- you're going to argue the rest cynically are going along because there's little hope of meaningful movement on them? I hope that's not your position. Meanwhile, an entire party with ZERO crossing the aisle is arrayed on the other side.
Manchin and Sinema, in actuality, are not Dems... You appear to be trying to fit anything into your preconceived notion that the sky has fallen, it's Doomsday!
As far as China: no. It ain't the same. You want to move about? Get permission. You speak out about anything that opposes the party line, you're going to jail, ZERO representation and a possibility you'll disappear. We both know you're not serious about this. It sounds cool and edgy, but it's ultimately destructive, it destroys hope and faith in our system--- say, that's exactly what Oath Keepers do!
Voting rights? You sure as hell BETTER vote if you're in China! And who controls the elections? The CCP in China, the 1% and the corporations in the US. And there you are, thrilled with your illusory "choice" here in the US! LOL - Go for it, tin!
Build Back Better? Gee, tin, for some reason, I have more faith that China will accomplish this FAR better (and faster) than we will.
January 6th Investigation? The latest circus for the gullible masses.
Ironic that you should also mention free speech / free press in China. I seem to recall that we have someone wasting away in Belmarsh Prison right now, and another person who was saved from a similar fate by an "authoritarian" leader, whose country we're doing our best to surround with nukes. Not to mention that our speech on the internet is controlled by unelected Silicon Valley officials - a dandy state of affairs which you (and some others here) seem to think is the way things should be.
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The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
...they always say.
But they never actually do. Not anything, unless it gets the full stamp of approval from corporate and wealthy donors first.
Sinema and Manchin are providing cover for all but a few of them. Don't kid yourself. Manchin is especially vulnerable to persuasion considering that his daughter was caught on tape attempting to fix Epipen prices with the CEO of a rival drug maker. No prosecution, of course, just the usual golden parachute. I'll bet a little DoJ involvement would bring Manchin around but of course that's not going to happen.
The voting rights thing is just another dog and pony show. "We tried, but too bad."
Anything worthwhile originally in Bernie Sanders' version of BBB has been stripped out. In its current form, it's a pathetic waste of money and effort.
The Jan 6th investigation will go exactly nowhere. It should be plain that the Dems are running out the clock until November, at which point the GOP is going to win the House and it's all over now, Baby Blue.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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. . . a couple of the Repub congressmen are going to try to make Trump Speaker of the House. (It is NOT required for the Speaker of the House to be an elected congressman.) Probably won't be successful - but you never know! ;-)
NOT kidding.
They'll surely imeach (sic) Biden, too.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
"Manchin is especially vulnerable to persuasion considering that his daughter was caught on tape attempting to fix Epipen prices with the CEO of a rival drug maker. No prosecution, of course, just the usual golden parachute. I'll bet a little DoJ involvement would bring Manchin around but of course that's not going to happen."
All's fair in love and politics. Been done before, will be done again.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
"I'm 100% certain that China could secretly take over the entire Federal government and none of us would ever notice the difference."
Then we don't know if it already happened?
...do we really care?
Because what it always boils down to is, who has the money and the power to write the rules and it won't be guys like you and me either way.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Edits: 01/13/22
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