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Today the gas price of regular gas at Costco in Edmonton is $1.16/liter or CAD$4.30/IG which is equivalent to US$3.13/G
I guess the release of Canada's strategic reserves from the province of Quebec is working.
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I go right to the Exxon refinery at the north end of town. Bit of a drive, but it's cheaper than Costco.:)
in No. Tx. over the last week or two.
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from 100% charged and with three other people in the car. The other couple visiting from DC had never been in an electric car so did a tour of Northern New Mexico down to Madrid.
I handed them four 'D' cells and told them it was 'back up' in care we ran out of juice.
Arrived home with 9.8 miles until Low Battery Warning (about 5% left at LBW) so we were fine.
Put gas in the Prius maybe once this month and it's still half full.
Leaf may end up handling 90% of our driving.
Just WAIT for the ARIYA. Better range and ergonomics than the LEAF.....at a cost.
Too much is never enough
Nissan dealers are taking orders (and refundable deposits), but they ain't taking mine.
I wouldn't be happy without the 4 wheel drive, extra battery, most expensive model, fastest, etc. and that's going to be the hardest one to get.
And then there is that cost thing.
2017 Leaf (with aftermarket leather) is fine for now and 66 miles without a bit of 'range anxiety' is fine.
Next improvement: get the ethanol out of the gas...
We can thank the Federal Renewable Fuel Standard.
but there are other candy-assed politicians that won't stand up so the nonsense continues. E0 has is readily available around here but it's expensive. I use it exclusively in power equipment.
on a military base which is typically on the low end of pricing vs downtown at Shell or Chevron which can be 10-20 cents higher.
I've seen OVER 5$ per gallon at the pump at more than one place.....Usually 'Freeway Close'
Too much is never enough
$2.73 for Phillips 66 unleaded at the 7-11 across from the main gate of Ft Leavenworth and a few more stations in the Leavenworth, KS area.
bellyaching.
As my Republican Right-wing friends like to say - if you don't like it then pick yourself up by your bootstraps and get a higher paying job - or get your boss to give you a raise, or go back to school and get a degree that will get you a job that pays you more, or buy a more fuel-efficient car.
Bunch of whiners looking for government to save them. Taxes from gas pay to rebuild roads and bridges - dumbasses. They need to fix the infrastructure and the money has to come from SOMEWHERE and if these doofus right-wing idiots weren't spending money to build ineffective worthless walls and support a ridiculously bloated military then your f-ing gas prices would be cut. Stop spending money on an overblown military-industrial complex that profits weapons dealers.
Not directed to you Kootenay - just a rant about the whiners who whine about gas prices already lower than most of the rest of the world is paying.
I've spent a little time in Hong Kong. It's one of those cities where "normal" residents rarely need a car, and when they need one they can hire one. The scarcity of parking makes it a luxury item, so fuel prices are kind of irrelevant. Also, the climate makes it unnecessary to use fossil fuels for heating.
Now put yourself in the great plains of CA or USA. Everything is spread out. A car is a fundamental necessity of life because you need it to go anywhere. You literally can't feed your family without it. If you're a tradesperson, or otherwise work with your hands, you probably need a truck or van for work as well. Taking a vacation or visiting family usually involves loading up a vehicle and going on a road trip. And it gets cold in the winter so you depend on gas or oil to keep you warm.
A fuel price spike in HK would be noticed by the companies in the transport business and not so much by the population at large. But a fuel price spike in the middle of CA or the USA is felt by nearly all the people in multiple facets of their life.
When discussing change - just because an infrastructure is set up one way doesn't mean we can't change it to a better way.
I think we're in agreement mostly. Hong Kong is a city - so let's first keep apples to apples and agree that in a city most people should not "need" a car and that in cities traffic is the biggest nightmare.
Here in Hong Kong since the pandemic, the government has been subsidizing people's transit costs. We use an octopus card which has been around for at least 15 years. You load the card with money and then can use it on buses, trains, ferries, shopping centers, McDonald's Starbucks and vending machines. Great invention (from an Aussie).
So you tap your card when you get on the MTR and when you arrive at your destination it knows how many stations you went and deducts the amount say $4.4HKD or $9HKD whatever the amount.
I live on MaWan an island with its own bus terminus and because I am a resident I get a discount. The management on the island scans my Octopus card doing whatever voodoo they do and every time I get on the bus the usual $11.7 fee is reduced to $7.6. This card is great because the government decided to give all residents $5,000 HKD in three installments. You fill out an online form with your octopus card number. Then on October 1st you tap an Octopus reader at every MTR station and $2,000 was put onto my card. Each month you tap and get a refund. Last month I got $110. Woohoo - hey that's better than kick in the pants.
Sorry for the story but the point is the US and Canada should do something similar. You already do this with tolls for bridges or long stretches of highway. So in a rural area where people absolutely need a vehicle and arguably gas-guzzling vehicles, they can be subsidized.
The problem with governments is they always use a sledgehammer to fix a problem that requires watch repair tools.
Obviously, a $9 gallon would destroy rural farmers but not so much in downtown New York. So in a rural area maybe you have an $8-gallon subsidy - making life easier there while having the premiums in place for people who really don't need a car. It's a carrot and stick approach to get people to act responsibly because they won't do it on their own. And you are not losing "freedoms" because you have the choice to pay it or not.
Again the governments aren't nimble - society needs speed boats to make turns quickly as needs arise but governments are Air-Craft Carriers big bloated and slow to respond.
The reason China is faster is obvious - there are no discussions or checks and balances so he says do, and 1 minute later is starting to be done. In the West - there is an endless debate, goes through piles of red tape. I laughed when Bill Maher tried to get a solar panel put on his shed in his back yard - it took him over 1100 days to get through the California Beaurocracy to get one. And that is a Solar power-friendly state - eesh.
I don't know what the best solutions are but getting corruption (lobbyists) out of politics has to be the first step.
Subsidy seems to be a scary word but the US is already doing that with Places like New York basically subsidizing Kentucky. So if you're doing it already may as well do it for gas too.
We don't whine about the gas prices here in Alberta as the way we looked at it and in the overall scheme we want the oil and gas gods which is a local call by the way to keep the economy wheel turning
What is wrong with you ?
Yes, and they pay a 100% tax on cars as well so the $70,000 Mercedes comes with a $70,000 tax to the government! And you pay $50,000 plus for a parking spot. You own it though and they appreciate so I suppose that's not too bad.But hey the roads and bridges here are PRISTINE. A pleasure to drive upon which explains why there are so many awesome cars on the roads.
$9 is no problem when you make 3-6 times the money for the same job here that you do in America.
A double win is that the transportation system is so ridiculously good that having a car would take you twice as long to get anywhere. Investing money in a rock star transportation system has the benefit of getting more people off the roads so that you are not stuck in traffic all the time. IE: if you do own a nice sports car you can actually drive the thing like a sports car.
High Gas prices reduce traffic - more people have to take public transportation/walk/ride so rich people are happy because they can drive their Lotus on the freeways in Rush hour woo-hoo rich people win. I repeat RICH PEOPLE WIN!! They get their fancy car and less traffic - get the paeons and slow ass cars like the Chevy Spark off the damn roads - eesh must suck when those crappy cars are in the passing lane.
Middle class and poor win if the transportation is made to be Rock Star quality as they would not waste their little amount of money driving a car at all - instead they could buy a transit pass. Surely, the richest country in the history of the world isn't so incompetent that they can't beat the third-world China??!! China is Bigger country than the US so don't give me that - "America is too big for good transit nonsense."
Oh and hey - fewer cars means less smog. A little side benefit is that it might also let you live a bit longer with fewer vehicles on the roads killing you.
You guys need scientists, engineers, city planners to be your politicians and get things designed properly.
When the pandemic lifts go for a vacation in Hong Kong or South Korea or Tokyo - and see how transportation is done. Don't watch Fox News or CNN or other BS - go there yourself - get on the train and use the bus - then go see how crappy it is in your home state/Province.
Taxes should actually benefit the people in the country and not some weapons manufacturers. And it's not political - it's crap no matter who is president/Prime Minister.
Look at the overall experience including the cleanliness factor. It's so nice to get on a train where there is no graffiti, or gangsters, or obnoxious drunks or general thugs. The reason other people in other countries don't understand Americans and their guns is that, in general, no one ever feels the least bit unsafe EVER in any of those countries.
A single gorgeous female can walk down any street 24/7 in HK or Tokyo or Korea and not have to worry.
The last time I was on the BART in San Fran I was thinking - man I wish I had a .357 and a bulletproof vest. So I totally get why folks there want to be packing heat 24/7. To me, that is a deep societal ill when everyone is terrified of getting killed at the mall or at the theatre or at when their kid is in primary school. Metal detectors at school - FFS! That is nuts.
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Cool that engineers make $[500-1,200]+K USD in HK. I did not know that. Must be a lot of multi-millionaire engineers.As for air quality, the air quality maps don't quite concur.
I commuted for years on the Chicago/North Western. It was quite nice back then and on time. Nothing like the El or Subway. The clientele was also different (for the most part).
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Air quality is not great but in my area, it's not that bad - sits in the yellow zone most of the time but sometimes orange. We sit beside China so their stuff blows over here. In spite of that HongKongers have a longer life expectancy than Americans or Canadians.
I have a friend who is an architect - he bought a new Lamborghini. Lives in a very pricey part of HK.
I'm a high school teacher and one of the main reasons I have stayed here for 10 years is the pay and tax rate and not needing a car (which saves a boatload of money). I won't go into it too much again but what a top paid teacher can save in a year in Canada is what I can save in a month or two here.
Plus, I don't have to put up with the system or kids with weapons.
There are more billionaires per capita in HK than anywhere else. Lower-end jobs pay much worse than in Canada/US though. Bus Drivers or servers in restaurants (because the min wage sucks and there is no tipping here).
The jobs that pay here are academically focused so you aren't getting rich with trades. Someone came and fixed my toilet - replaced the innards and put a new lid on - $80.
There is still a high poverty rate here. There is subsidized housing - the waitlist is long.
Hospitals are $20. You pay when you go up to the counter and get triaged by a nurse.
I am uninsured - had an infection in my finger - 10 days in the hospital - two operations - 3 meals a day, all the drugs - 2 months of rehab putting my hand in a wax machine, all bandages - 11 doctors, 2 anesthesiologists. My total bill was $350US. No insurance.
What will that cost the average American? Would that cover a tongue depressor?
Plus, I was off work for over 30 days. Got paid because we have 148 days of sick leave.
It's weird - it is such an ultra-capitalist city (freest economy in the world) and yet they seem to care about the people - 14 weeks paid Maternity Leave, AND while not great there are also 5 days of paternity leave.
There are a TON of Americans and Canadians, Brits, and Aussies here in Banking and Finance.
As my teacher friend points out - as lucky as shit as we are that we got hired as teachers for the idiotically high pay we get - we're still nothing compared to those guys - MAN OH MAN - those guys in the business world are truly raking it in.
They're not taking out a 5-year loan on those Lamborghinis either - it's all "write a cheque)
That's why $9 a litre - I really don't think they care. Albeit, I see a helluva lot of Teslas here. :) So maybe they complain internally.
does it ever get to 40-50 or lower?
Hong Kong temperature is misleading - I am from Canada. I am "colder" in Hong Kong. Why? Shopping malls, workplaces, schools, homes are all heated. Homes are insulated so it may be -10c outside but inside you are nice and warm.
Hong Kong has no insulation anywhere and no heating anywhere. You need to buy a space heater and aim it at you and blast it all night. And there is no insulation so when you turn that heater off it's cold again.
You go to school - not heated, the mall, not heated. So some years here your teeth are chattering - you look at the temperature and it may be 7-10c so you think that's not that bad but it is because there is no place to go where it is warm.
And then from like May to November, you have your air conditioner(s) on all the time because it's so damn humid here. It's November 30 and I still have my Aircon on. My place is 600 square feet and I have three air conditioners! All the hot water is on-demand style, and stoves are typically gas stoves not electric. Although there is one electric element on my stove.
I remember 40 years ago watching TV and flipped to a channel that had a Kung Fu movie. I could not believe how incredible they were, an absolutely amazing bunch. Lu Feng, Sun Chien, many other Masters. That's when I started studying it with a Master. My favorite KF movie of all time is 5 Deadly Venoms.
Many of these guys were from HK and Taiwan, none from CCP. The movies had scenes of different weather but I always wondered what it was like to be there. Many of the movies were inspired by freedom at the time, and also the tyranny elsewhere so the movies included that. Some very bad dudes.
HK freedom is going the way of the dodo. There is no real way to fight back - Taiwan has the US government and allies to somewhat sabre rattle to protect Taiwan - Hong Kong has no such support from the west.
The teaching union shut down here after around 40 years. Amnesty International closed its doors due to the government's vague law about institutions acting subversive or anti-mainland. Many wealthier Hongkongers have been moving overseas (the same thing happened in 1997). I feel most of it is panic over something you probably don't have to fear. If you're not a trouble maker and you want to live your life and make money, see friends go to parties etc China and HK is no different than living anywhere else - and it has some advantages like personal safety. But you have to toe the line. When those crooks use melamine to poison milk to save money that killed a bunch of babies - the Chinese government lined those CEOs up and shot them.
In the USA those guys could hide behind "the Corporation" status and their company would merely pay a fine and those CEOs would wind up making more money. So there are all kinds of pros and cons.
What is your take on the Uyghurs compared to what is reported stateside ?
Well, we're not really going to know for sure. Western media is overblown and sensationalist but I also wouldn't put it past China to be using slave labour. But if you look over the history of Canada and the US you don't need to look too far to find the west putting people into concentration camps (the Japanese Americans during WWII) First Nations people and African Americans so we probably can't take the morally high ground. Banning Muslims was fairly recent in the US too.
So would China do the same thing? Yes. But getting real information is tough to determine. This article is pretty balanced noting the words accusation, not necessarily facts. But there is a lot of China is the Bogeyman thing going on these days.
As I noted - I don't support China - I am here for the money - and I will leave as soon as I can because HK when I arrived was considered "London-Lite". That is going away quite quickly.
English was a common core subject in Shanghai - that has now changed and it is now an elective subject - once that happens in Hong Kong (and it will eventually) then I probably won't have this job anymore. I am under contract to the summer of 2023. We'll see what happens by then.
to ask a westerner claiming to be working and living in China considering political sensitivities involved and the high probability that all his communications are actively monitored. I assume maybe incorrectly that VPNs and other consumer grade stealth measures are ineffective.
When I worked in China it was with a Canadian School - all teachers had to have a Canadian teaching certificate (albeit they did not have to be born in Canada).
While living there, one of the teachers got all of us a proxy server to bypass Chinese restrictions so we could get onto Google and Facebook etc. It's like Thailand - you can say anything you want but you can't insult the king in any way. You will be arrested.
The thing is other than that you really don't feel restricted in any other way. They work, make money, travel, buy Samsung and Apple phones, buy Ferrari - eat at McDonald's, play sports, make out with their girlfriends, and so forth.
Some cities are dirty and some are clean - Wenzhou was filthy, a 4 hour or so ride in a bus was Hangzhou which was beautiful. I am sure one can find examples in the US - there is Flint Michigan and there is Vermont.
The big difference seems to be voting but so many Americans don't vote (more than half) and many of the people who do vote bemoan the fact that they're "choosing the lesser of two evils" and usually it doesn't matter - their lives don't actually change a helluva lot. Of course, I still prefer the ability to vote but when half or more of the country couldn't give a crap and don't vote they may as well be living in China!
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reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Just drove round trip Chicago to MD. Took I65, I70 and I68.
Unleaded range $2.98 - $4.04
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...$3.55 for regular unleaded, but my truck is diesel, so $3.89 for diesel.
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
well that doesn't fit the meme that it's $5.49 at the pump
Clueless as usual.
$3.34-$3.39
Jack
How does that compare to your prices 12 months ago? Be honest.
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Actually, we're in N. San Diego County.
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WI $3.12 ... go figure
Cheapest is SAMs $2.96.
I only drive around 4000 miles a year, so the price of gas doesn't bother me.
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But I haven't bought gas in a month. I work from home.
"How are your gas prices at the pump"
I'm more concerned about taxes. Government bureaucrats and "leaders" at all levels of government seem to think that we, the taxpayers, have an endless supply of money to give to them for whatever they want to "do for us".
Gas prices are among the least of my concerns. That's just a news media propaganda thingy, WAAAY down the list from TAXES.
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Is 25% taxes high enough ???KTLA: Taxes, fees make up $1.18 per gallon of gas in California
With the price of gasoline setting record high prices in California , some are wondering where their money goes.
Taxes and fees make up a portion of the cost of the state's sky high gas prices, which are also highest in the nation.
Earlier this year, an analysis by Irvine based researchers Stillwater Associates found Californians were paying at least $1.18 cents per gallon in taxes and fees alone.
In the Southern California region: the average price per gallon stood at $4.672 in the Los Angeles - Long Beach area, followed by $4.654 in Ventura, $4.635 in Orange County, $4.629 in San Diego, $4.621 in the Santa Barbara area and $4.613 in San Bernardino and $4.591 in Riverside.
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I already answered that question in another post. I would love to escape from the PRK in a heartbeat but it is easier said than done. It would cost at least $100K to move (for the expenses I am aware of). At least $60K in agents commissions, another $30-40K in moving expenses, not including paper fees and relocation fees.
You haven't been following the moving prices in California. Renting a U-Haul truck to take out of state will cost you many times as much as renting one to bring into the state. California is financially penalizing people for escaping their draconian rule. We are too old to do the U-Haul thing so would have to pay a moving company.
and any costs saved anywhere are only made up over extended time, not a go to Texas and get a wad of cash when you settle in. And when you're older, assuming so, it just gets harder and more demanding to pick up and leave unless you have to. It's much easier when you're younger. Some people plan on it someday and do it, others like where they are and stay. If you decided long ago to stay you can't possibly foresee any state going mental. I use to live in the bay area and I'm glad I left a long time ago.
you'd make up moving costs due to MUCH lower cost of living and lower taxes - and much cheaper gas. Haven't you posted about how many people have left California? There's also plenty of wingnut-led states where you'd feel right at home. Instead, you choose to live in a state with the third highest cost of living (after only Hawaii and D.C.) that's led by Liberals. But you do enjoy bitching about it.Mississippi beckons.
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The moving costs seem high - moving from BC to Ontario is around $5,000 Canadian. Why is moving from California to another state $60,000?
I may have misread something as I am a bit tired.
Life's too short to live in a place you are unhappy unless there is a good reason. I always viewed the US as 50 mini countries all connected together for various gains (financial or for safety in numbers). I remember driving through four states years ago (Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada) and felt like I was in totally different countries. Oregon was a pretty state with nice trees and the roads were great. California seemed dilapidated with bad highways - clunk clunk clunk clunk as you enter from Oregon. It seemed "scarier." Washington State (Seattle Bellingham) seemed more Canadian - like British Columbia.
Nevada seemed ritzy but at the same time sad. In Vegas it is so filled with tourists it's sort of hard to get a good read on it. Disneyland for adults. Tacky but fun.
I think there are enough places to choose in the USA to find a nice landing spot for living and for one's politics. If you are team Red just move to one of those Red States that has been red for 50 years and isn't changing anytime soon. Ditto for those on team Blue. As I like the ocean and I am a liberal (mostly) I am happy that the Blue States seem to be along the oceans.
New Jersey has an exit tax when you move out of state, I think Kali had one also. They love us here.
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I'm not sure, maybe at the time of sale of the house and lawyers do the dirty work. It doesn't matter to me, I'm rooted for now.
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It seems that I've hit a nerve with regard to taxes.It would be useful for people to look at their tax bills/payments. It might surprise some folks.
We can begin with "property tax", and go from there.
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What nerve did you hit?
I already know the PRK taxes taxes and then throws on some fees on top of the taxed taxes for good measure. If you want to see taxes and fees, look at your cell phone bill. You are paying for BHO phones as well as everything else under the sun.
Hmmm. Tax the billionaire class properly. Relying on their benevolence hasn't worked in my lifetime.
Weren't you rich enough to get some of it?
I can sense the smug self righteousness of the electric motorists all around me.
Blame biden...
Just wait 'till the winter comes and they'll be lining up at the pump ah never mind I thought you live in Winnipeg
Price has hovered around $3.50/gallon for months.
Cheaper than bottled water.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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