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In Reply to: RE: For all you anti-vax debunkers out there posted by nilknarf on September 23, 2021 at 21:21:51
Still these are the numbers that are floating around."Roughly 97% of new hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths in the U.S. are among unvaccinated individuals, U.S. health officials repeated this week." July 2021 CNBC
I didn't read all of the Colpo stuff but I didn't see that he talked about the huge protection from hospitalization and death that the vaccines are reported to effect. A huge amount of smart, well meaning people believe that this level of protection is real. Colpo also states that the mRNA preparations are not vaccines which sure seems false by this definition. "A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease" I believe none of the Massachusetts people died.
Denied facts are still facts.
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"Still these are the numbers that are floating around."Roughly 97% of new hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths in the U.S. are among unvaccinated individuals, U.S. health officials repeated this week." July 2021 CNBC"
Yes that is damn near a perfect 100%. I haven't seen a good source for that data. I have seen many nurses and doctors describing what they see at work and things are not lining up at all. Someone is lying, no doubt.
"Colpo also states that the mRNA preparations are not vaccines"
Technically that is correct. It is Gene Therapy.
That I can not read anything more stupid than what I just red, anti-vaxxers, Trumpers, conspiracy theorists, and GOP members prove me wrong. (not sure though that those are not synonyms)
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"One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane."
Technically it is a vaccine.
Denied facts are still facts.
"Technically it is a vaccine."If that is true it is because they changed the definition in recent weeks.
edit: now I remember seeing a word changed in the definition. The word was Immunity and it was change to ... I think it was Protection. I still think of it as a gene therapy. Because it is.
So technically I am wrong and you are right now. And calling it a vaccine reduces hesitancy.
Edits: 09/24/21 09/24/21
The likelihood that they drastically reduce severe illness and death should also reduce hesitancy IMHO, unless you can debunk that.
Denied facts are still facts.
I can't debunk that but there is no study to prove it either. Seems to be fact by consensus.
Man you sure do love shooting from the hip nil.
Denied facts are still facts.
Not too much.
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Yes but am waiting for results on safety before I would consent to the Gene Therapy Vaccine.
You want 100% safety you ain't gonna get it. One estimate a couple of months ago was that the vaccines have saved about 250,000 lives in the us. I believe the stats on the drastic reduction of hospitalization and death. Look again at the numbers from the KFF I posted. Extremely impressive IMO. If those numbers were arrived at by some kind of consensus opinion please point out how that occurred nil. I'd like to know.
Denied facts are still facts.
I think the numbers were reported by hospitals, would need to check into each hospital. There was no opinion or consensus we can see from here.
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