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In Reply to: RE: What would you know posted by Batman on September 22, 2021 at 09:35:42
ummm I don't know. I said I'll wait and see. Sheesh.
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You also said it sounded safer than the exact same process you slighted as experimental, in contrast to the truth. Sheesh indeed. When you introduce statements containing misstatements, intentional or not, expect to get corrected.
Or you could go and sit at the kiddie table and say anything you want, if this place had one.
I'm not seeing what you're seeing. I didn't say anything about two processes that are the same.
"Sounds safer than experimental mRNA gene therapy." What basis do you have for that conclusion? And this gem, soon to be a classic. "Yes, IMO something like llama juice might be passed by the body." Then again, it might not. Are you talking about real, actual Llama juice or something like llama juice? How do you make llama juice, with a centrifugal juicer? What is something like llama juice? Sheep juice, camel juice. Please clarify. I'm hoping to learn something new from someone with your comprehensive cognitive abilities. Oh, and Dr. Mengele had credentials and experience also. I also am reading that 1 of 8 MDs are not getting a covid vaccine. It would seem to me that there are credentialed and experienced MDs on both sides of the vaccine issue. Unlike you I myself don't generally get a warm a toasty feeling from any MD that makes me give them credibility. I envy your easy life.
Denied facts are still facts.
"What basis do you have for that conclusion?"
I already explained that.
"Are you talking about real, actual Llama juice or something like llama juice?"
llama juice is shorthand for "A Covid therapy derived from a llama named Fifi". Sorry, I didn't think I would need to explain that.
"How do you make llama juice, with a centrifugal juicer?"
Its complicated. Read the article.
"Unlike you I myself don't generally get a warm a toasty feeling from any MD that makes me give them credibility."
I'm certain your analysis of me is worth less than I paid for it. So you are a rip off.
"I'm hoping to learn something new from someone with your comprehensive cognitive abilities."
And you're probably a lying ripoff.
Now maybe you would be willing to answer an easy question for me. Do you trust Dr Fauci?
I won't engage in this tedium again, not for any LYING RIPOFF.
"You also said it sounded safer..."Yes, IMO something like llama juice might be passed by the body. The mRNA never leaves, ever. I mean to say there is no known way to get it out. But lets wait and see.
Edits: 09/22/21
this 'llama juice' is a naturally occurring source of messenger ribonucleuc acid only it triggers production of 'nano' proteins that bind to pathogen spike protein molecules more tightly and function non specifically ... that is, it's process isn't tailored to specific pathogens ... that's why llama, sharks, and a few other creatures have such robust resistance to a broad spectrum of disease, even cancers ... if implemented as either therapy or vaccine, it too would be synthesized
so your distrust of mRNA should extend to llama juice too!
or shark juice if that gets used ... since it's the same basic mechanism
I fail to understand the placement of trust in discredited sources that push a fringe agenda over the work of those who's work is accredited, passed peer review, and has cleared rigorous regulating agency examination
and not just in this country, so leave the conspiratorial politics at the door
as far as mRNA never 'leaving' it only introduces a 'routine' for cell protein production that is triggered by pathogens ... it's been studied and used for quite some time now in cancer therapies to name one area
maybe read at the link for additional insight
and if you don't? then your intentions on posting will be much clearer IMO
be well,
Maybe but the llama article doesn't say anything about mrna. It likens the nanobodies to antibodies. Nothing about triggering production of anything in the subject.
That's the only article I've seen about this tech. Might be medical miracle but I think we should wait see on all this new stuff including mrna.
This is from my homework assignment you gave me:
"Instead of delivering a virus or a viral protein, RNA vaccines deliver genetic information that allows the body's own cells to produce a viral protein."
"People in the field, including myself, saw a lot of promise in the technology, but you don't really know until you get human data."
I really didn't learn anything and we still don't have good data on humans.
Note that mrna hijacks your cells. The llama juice doesn't.
here's a link to the source article
note that mRNA = messenger proteins
from the article:
"The research team, whose findings are published in the journal Nature Communication, were able to generate the nanobodies by injecting a portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein into a llama called Fifi, who is part of the antibody production facility at the University of Reading.
The spike protein is found on the outside of the virus and is responsible for binding to human cells so it can infect them.
Although the injections did not make Fifi sick, it triggered her immune system to fight off the virus protein by generating nanobodies against it"
this describes mRNA tech as used on the llama
the resultant immune system produced anti-body molecules get harvested, reproduced, and introduced into an infected individual where they perform the same function as a vax and your body would ... but these are smaller 'nano' sized
now, why would you want the mRNA protein sequence response to NOT be part of you and disappear? if that happened treatment would fail
it's essentially the same mechanism if you had existing, or developed 'natural' immunity from going through an infection
hopefully you won't develop cancer, but similar therapies are on the cutting edge of fighting that too
well, if you keep reading on the subject maybe you can allay your own concerns, no need to 'listen' to me
as they say, 'telling is not teaching'
and [not so] coincidentally, I'm not a teacher!
stay well,
The mrna was injected into the llama to produce the nanobodies that are used in treatments. Only the llama gets mrna, not the subject of the treatment. It's like science fiction stuff.
"the resultant immune system produced anti-body molecules get harvested, reproduced, and introduced into an infected individual where they perform the same function as a vax"
good! ... so [in theory] you'd be more comfortable with another species anti-bodies in your system rather than ones that you produced? my point was [not stated very well, sorry] that mRNA techniques were applied, in this instance, using the results or 'harvest' as medicine ... why would that make you more at ease? were you to contract the virus and survive that means your own body used messenger proteins to instruct your immune system to attack the infection ... the vax eliminates going through the step of being deathly ill
but check out the applications fighting cancer, most interesting
you know the cell phone was science fiction stuff not that long ago too!
"good! ... so [in theory] you'd be more comfortable with another species anti-bodies in your system rather than ones that you produced?"
That seems a little off topic. The comparison was to mrna not to my anitbodies.
cutting to the chase, your position is that you don't trust medical science to prevent SARS-CoV-2 but you want medical science to cure you if you catch it because you're selfish or a snowflake & willing to infect innocents ... which should be legally sanctioned against as with HIV
so you're playing troll, possibly with a fresh log-in! you do seem familiar
anyway, you and your antibodies can go stand in the Covidiot line now
good luck!
chill with the hate please.
In California, where I live, it is legal to knowingly give HIV to someone.
I am not playing troll. I'm trying to amuse myself and save the world at the same time.
You are correct that this is a fresh login. My password and email for my original account are long gone or I would have used it.
then please, amuse yourself to death
don't flatter yourself that any emotion is being wasted on you
not by me anyway ... now go get back in line before you lose your place
This is more accurate "I mean to say there is no known way to get it out." So yeah.
I got that from a doctor that I trust but I don't remember which one. Has been a while. Maybe Dr. Judith Mikovits. Dr. Mikovits could be wrong but I don't think she's a liar. And has credentials and experience.
This is your reference source?
"Judy Anne Mikovits is an American former research scientist who is known for her discredited medical claims, such as that murine endogenous retroviruses are linked to chronic fatigue syndrome"
"This is your reference source?"
Yes, that is the one. She blew the whistle on Fauci many years ago. About AZT and stuff. So one of them had to be discredited.
See what Medpagetoday has to say about her thoughts on covid.
As I said; This is your source?
"As I said; This is your source?"
You can keep asking. My answer won't change. I already know she has been discredited and attacked for many years. There are so many liars out there that you have to decide for yourself. Unfortunately our institutions have discredited themselves. You can't rely on them for truth.
You don't have to believe everything a person says to gain knowledge from them. If you can find people that aren't lying to you you have a better chance of learning something true. I think Dr. Mikovits believes what she says unlike other well know and trusted Drs.
You got that from a doctor. Where did the doctor get it from? (I won't speculate).
Denied facts are still facts.
"The mRNA never leaves, ever." Can you post proof of that nilkarf, I'd like to see it. Thanks in advance. Tweaker456
Denied facts are still facts.
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