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In Reply to: RE: It's true...masks don't work! posted by Rod M on April 19, 2021 at 11:41:53
If masks work, why the distancing ? If masks and distancing work then why the shutdowns ? If all this works why are we rushing into a vaccine that is not really a vaccine nor is it completely tested.
Friend of mine in Europe has a plane and runs people around bypassing the airports n shit and all the bullshit involved. He has STOL (short take off and landing)so he can go many places, to private airstrips all over the place etc.
And now he has discovered running freight which he says helps immensely on fuel. He has the extra large fuselage of course so he can make it up and down Europe no problem.
He was pretty fast getting his license, but it is only for that model plane, and he may have had some background already. He is in a major law firm and generally flies clients around, they really like it.
I haven't heard of him getting sick. thing is, if this was a Chinese weapon it is pretty lame, only kills a portion of one percent, and most of those already have one foot in the grave.
Personally out in pubic buildings I will just wear the damn thing and avoid trouble. Trouble doesn't scare me but I am just tired of it.
My poker game is going to happen. If I owned a bar I would close off the parking lot and make people park on the street, and only use the back entrance.
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our medical workers too much downtime.
They get all those bodies in Southern California buried yet?
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
(580,000/32.500,000)X100 = 1.784% of known cases result in death in the USA.You might say what about the undetected cases of which there are many. I would ask what about the people who are already infected who haven't yet died of which there will be many.
Yes ultimately is 1.784% is probably going to be high. But to say it "kills only a portion of 1%" seems like polishing a turd to me.
Remember when this outbreak began death rates of over 5% were being considered as possible. We got lucky the actual death rate is probably going to end up being a big portion of 1%.
My position on this thing is regardless of the effectiveness of masks and social distancing and the shutdowns we ended up losing closer to having done nothing lives v. being closer to what we would have lost if we had 50 of States operating under a central leadership.
Going forward I almost wish the death rate was higher as what many have seemed to learn from this pandemic is it's no big deal. In fact some States are passing laws that will make it impossible for Cities to attempt to protect their citizens the next time around when the death rate could be 10% or higher. We are showing the world the fools that we are.
In the end this was a National Security failure.
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Well, if you're under 55, then the actual death rate is nearly meaningless.
I seem to recall someone claiming that the median age of those that died was 78. No one wants to go before their time, but COVID is not very deadly for those that are fairly healthy and younger.
-Rod
Covid-19 gives people a push towards death - older people are more likely to fall over the edge. Why? Because they are closer to death.
But just because someone "recovers" doesn't mean they didn't get a push and maybe even a bigger push. Early onset heart disease and/or COPD and who knows what kind of cancers or other ailment will spring up thanks to the damage done by the virus.
In the long run Covid-19 could cost younger people much more life than it has cost the elderly.
Those look like Feb. number from the Heritage Foundation. Actual dead by now in the US would be quite a bit higher than in the info below. At least say 34,000 dead from Covid-19 under 55. Pretty meaningless, especially if you're not one of them. I'm reading that the variants are targeting younger people so these number could change real soon.
"It was zero threat, right from the start, it was zero threat" Alfred E. Neuman
An estimated 5 to 10 times as lethal as the flu and more easily transmitted. Only 567,000 dead so far in the US. Nowhere near the end of this. It will be with us probably forever.
"It was zero threat, right from the start, it was zero threat" Alfred E. Neuman
581,795 deaths according to world o meter website. The difference that makes in the death rate calculation is less than .04%. I think that's close enough for my point and for sure the casual nature of these conversations.Flu variations have different death rates. I think they range from .04% to .15% - I don't feel like looking it up but something like that - you can look it up and tell me I'm wrong if you want. I think its fair to say Covid is 5 to 10 times more lethal.
I agree with you that it's not over on 4 fronts.
1. New variation can arise that are not effected by vaccination. So we could have to run through this process all over again. And these variations can be more or less contagious and lethal than those we've already identified.
2.) Yearly boosters will likely continue to be needed.
3.) Many are suffering long term permanent damage from their infections. This includes children thru the elderly. Many more who survived the virus in good health are damaged in ways that will begin to show up when we begin see earlier onset of ailments typically found in the elderly.
4.) Our failure at preventing the spread of these disease and our apparent inability to grasp the importance of the failure indicates a serious vulnerability with our national security. Seems the security apparatus would understand this but something this important could actual fly under everyone's radar. To me that's odd considering how some have blamed a foreign nation for the infection unleashed within our borders.
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"It was zero threat, right from the start, it was zero threat" Alfred E. Neuman
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